Cold Steel Question?

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  1. I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on me...could a Minus 30 Celsius outdoor
    temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This is a serious question (I failed Physics
    in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full blast with a
    Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4 Dremel Cut-off
    Discs, a Robertson and Philips head screwdrivers, 8 Jigsaw (metal cutter) blades, 1 Hammer claw
    (snapped off and hit my overhead spotlamp...also now toast), 5 titanium drill bits, 2 hacksaw
    blades, 1 Blow Torch tank went empty in the cold after I tried to heat up the boom. Oh Yeah and I
    dented the boom with a poorly aimed Sledge Hammer.

    I figured it was way too cold today to go riding....so I'd remove the bracket (welded) to the main
    boom as a Seat support. There are 6 small metal clips welded to the boom for a RANS seat mount
    (older type). All I wanted to do was remove the 6 two inch high X 2 inch wide clips and so far I
    have probably caused about $300.00 in damage and wrecked the boom...making resale somewhat
    difficult.

    Oh Yeah...am working on the Tadpole outside, my wife fears (and justifiably so) that my mechanical
    skills will destroy the apartment if I worked on the trike inside.

    All I was doing was removing one RANS seat mount in order to mount a M5 Hard-shell, seemed so simple
    last night when I thought about doing it...to kill time due to the awfully cold weather....who knew.

    I am taking a rest now, but still have 3 brackets left to go....just waiting for me to begin again.
    I can hear my local Hardware store cheering on my latest project.

    So..before I return to the trike with what tools I have left, anyone know if the Cold is causing the
    steel to resist (everything I am doing to
    it)????????????

    And people ask (why) I do NOT repair bikes!!!!

    Under Funny stuff, not like gaga funny, more of a...Oh No... kinda funny. 2 days ago I completed the
    Ultimate Trike seat, cool headrest, lumbar support, black Naugahyde, dense foam, 2 rolls of duct
    tape (Red Green would be sooo proud). I mounted the 4 custom built support brackets (backwards),
    then added the foam/vinyl etc. Point was the brackets were NOT supposed to BE backwards. When you
    sit down and lean back...8 Steel Bolts pierced the Vinyl and darn near pierced me...ouch. Must've
    broken a world speed record for jumping out of a tadpole seat. Seat is in the garbage dumpster
    now...no way to reverse the brackets. So I figured....gee why not just remove the RANS seat mount
    and install the M5 Hardshell....how hard could that be?
     
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  2. I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on me...could a Minus 30 Celsius outdoor
    temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This is a serious question (I failed Physics
    in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full blast with a
    Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4 Dremel Cut-off
    Discs, a Robertson and Philips head screwdrivers, 8 Jigsaw (metal cutter) blades, 1 Hammer claw
    (snapped off and hit my overhead spotlamp...also now toast), 5 titanium drill bits, 2 hacksaw
    blades, 1 Blow Torch tank went empty in the cold after I tried to heat up the boom. Oh Yeah and I
    dented the boom with a poorly aimed Sledge Hammer.

    I figured it was way too cold today to go riding....so I'd remove the bracket (welded) to the main
    boom as a Seat support. There are 6 small metal clips welded to the boom for a RANS seat mount
    (older type). All I wanted to do was remove the 6 two inch high X 2 inch wide clips and so far I
    have probably caused about $300.00 in damage and wrecked the boom...making resale somewhat
    difficult.

    Oh Yeah...am working on the Tadpole outside, my wife fears (and justifiably so) that my mechanical
    skills will destroy the apartment if I worked on the trike inside.

    All I was doing was removing one RANS seat mount in order to mount a M5 Hard-shell, seemed so simple
    last night when I thought about doing it...to kill time due to the awfully cold weather....who knew.

    I am taking a rest now, but still have 3 brackets left to go....just waiting for me to begin again.
    I can hear my local Hardware store cheering on my latest project.

    So..before I return to the trike with what tools I have left, anyone know if the Cold is causing the
    steel to resist (everything I am doing to
    it)????????????

    And people ask (why) I do NOT repair bikes!!!!

    Under Funny stuff, not like gaga funny, more of a...Oh No... kinda funny. 2 days ago I completed the
    Ultimate Trike seat, cool headrest, lumbar support, black Naugahyde, dense foam, 2 rolls of duct
    tape (Red Green would be sooo proud). I mounted the 4 custom built support brackets (backwards),
    then added the foam/vinyl etc. Point was the brackets were NOT supposed to BE backwards. When you
    sit down and lean back...8 Steel Bolts pierced the Vinyl and darn near pierced me...ouch. Must've
    broken a world speed record for jumping out of a tadpole seat. Seat is in the garbage dumpster
    now...no way to reverse the brackets. So I figured....gee why not just remove the RANS seat mount
    and install the M5 Hardshell....how hard could that be?
     
  3. Rorschandt

    Rorschandt Guest

    "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on
    > me...could a Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This
    > is a serious question (I failed Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre
    > saw (accidentally whacked it full blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for).
    > 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4 Dremel Cut-off Discs, >snip<

    Okay, you didn't mention anything about an ordinary hacksaw, my favorite way to cut stuff off my
    trike. Did you try that? I'm a bit afraid to suggest this, out fear for your trike. Perhaps if you
    sent a picture, I could give some pointers. I'm sure the cold affects your dexterity, and perhaps
    thinking. Like, "I'm going to hurry and cut this *&%$#@+ thing off so I can get back indoors."

    later, Rorschandt
     
  4. Rorschandt

    Rorschandt Guest

    "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on
    > me...could a Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This
    > is a serious question (I failed Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre
    > saw (accidentally whacked it full blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for).
    > 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4 Dremel Cut-off Discs, >snip<

    Okay, you didn't mention anything about an ordinary hacksaw, my favorite way to cut stuff off my
    trike. Did you try that? I'm a bit afraid to suggest this, out fear for your trike. Perhaps if you
    sent a picture, I could give some pointers. I'm sure the cold affects your dexterity, and perhaps
    thinking. Like, "I'm going to hurry and cut this *&%$#@+ thing off so I can get back indoors."

    later, Rorschandt
     
  5. Doug Huffman

    Doug Huffman Guest

    Ferrous alloys transition from elastic to brittle failure modes (and machining is controlled
    'failure') at low temperatures specific to the metallurgy of the material.

    This phenomena came to public attention with the brittle failure of Liberty ships while pierside and
    in reasonably (for North Atlantic service) low temperatures.

    I held up a million dollar yield test of air bottles on just this point. The machinery was exposed
    to unexpectedly low temperatures - slightly sub-freezing - as I was about to inject water into large
    air bottles at very high pressure - on the order of 10kpsi. As the volume injected into the bottles
    rose the pressure increase should have risen linearly as long as the metal was in its elastic range.
    The design conditions were for controlled temperatures though and no one was able to assure me that
    the bottle's Reference Transition Temperature RTT was below the actual temp.

    "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on me...could a Minus 30 Celsius
    > outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This is a serious question (I failed
    > Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full
    > blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4
    > Dremel Cut-off Discs, a Robertson and Philips head screwdrivers, 8 Jigsaw (metal cutter) blades, 1
    > Hammer claw (snapped off
    and
    > hit my overhead spotlamp...also now toast), 5 titanium drill bits, 2
    hacksaw
    > blades, 1 Blow Torch tank went empty in the cold after I tried to heat up the boom. Oh Yeah and I
    > dented the boom with a poorly aimed Sledge Hammer.
    >
    > I figured it was way too cold today to go riding....so I'd remove the bracket (welded) to the main
    > boom as a Seat support. There are 6 small
    metal
    > clips welded to the boom for a RANS seat mount (older type). All I wanted
    to
    > do was remove the 6 two inch high X 2 inch wide clips and so far I have probably caused about
    > $300.00 in damage and wrecked the boom...making
    resale
    > somewhat difficult.
    >
    > Oh Yeah...am working on the Tadpole outside, my wife fears (and
    justifiably
    > so) that my mechanical skills will destroy the apartment if I worked on
    the
    > trike inside.
    >
    > All I was doing was removing one RANS seat mount in order to mount a M5 Hard-shell, seemed so
    > simple last night when I thought about doing it...to kill time due to the awfully cold
    > weather....who knew.
    >
    > I am taking a rest now, but still have 3 brackets left to go....just
    waiting
    > for me to begin again. I can hear my local Hardware store cheering on my latest project.
    >
    > So..before I return to the trike with what tools I have left, anyone know
    if
    > the Cold is causing the steel to resist (everything I am doing to
    > it)????????????
    >
    > And people ask (why) I do NOT repair bikes!!!!
    >
    > Under Funny stuff, not like gaga funny, more of a...Oh No... kinda funny. 2 days ago I completed
    > the Ultimate Trike seat, cool headrest, lumbar support, black Naugahyde, dense foam, 2 rolls of
    > duct tape (Red Green
    would
    > be sooo proud). I mounted the 4 custom built support brackets (backwards), then added the
    > foam/vinyl etc. Point was the brackets were NOT supposed to BE backwards. When you sit down and
    > lean back...8 Steel Bolts pierced the Vinyl and darn near pierced me...ouch. Must've broken a
    > world speed record for jumping out of a tadpole seat. Seat is in the garbage dumpster
    now...no
    > way to reverse the brackets. So I figured....gee why not just remove the RANS seat mount
    > and install
    the
    > M5 Hardshell....how hard could that be?
     
  6. Doug Huffman

    Doug Huffman Guest

    Ferrous alloys transition from elastic to brittle failure modes (and machining is controlled
    'failure') at low temperatures specific to the metallurgy of the material.

    This phenomena came to public attention with the brittle failure of Liberty ships while pierside and
    in reasonably (for North Atlantic service) low temperatures.

    I held up a million dollar yield test of air bottles on just this point. The machinery was exposed
    to unexpectedly low temperatures - slightly sub-freezing - as I was about to inject water into large
    air bottles at very high pressure - on the order of 10kpsi. As the volume injected into the bottles
    rose the pressure increase should have risen linearly as long as the metal was in its elastic range.
    The design conditions were for controlled temperatures though and no one was able to assure me that
    the bottle's Reference Transition Temperature RTT was below the actual temp.

    "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on me...could a Minus 30 Celsius
    > outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This is a serious question (I failed
    > Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full
    > blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4
    > Dremel Cut-off Discs, a Robertson and Philips head screwdrivers, 8 Jigsaw (metal cutter) blades, 1
    > Hammer claw (snapped off
    and
    > hit my overhead spotlamp...also now toast), 5 titanium drill bits, 2
    hacksaw
    > blades, 1 Blow Torch tank went empty in the cold after I tried to heat up the boom. Oh Yeah and I
    > dented the boom with a poorly aimed Sledge Hammer.
    >
    > I figured it was way too cold today to go riding....so I'd remove the bracket (welded) to the main
    > boom as a Seat support. There are 6 small
    metal
    > clips welded to the boom for a RANS seat mount (older type). All I wanted
    to
    > do was remove the 6 two inch high X 2 inch wide clips and so far I have probably caused about
    > $300.00 in damage and wrecked the boom...making
    resale
    > somewhat difficult.
    >
    > Oh Yeah...am working on the Tadpole outside, my wife fears (and
    justifiably
    > so) that my mechanical skills will destroy the apartment if I worked on
    the
    > trike inside.
    >
    > All I was doing was removing one RANS seat mount in order to mount a M5 Hard-shell, seemed so
    > simple last night when I thought about doing it...to kill time due to the awfully cold
    > weather....who knew.
    >
    > I am taking a rest now, but still have 3 brackets left to go....just
    waiting
    > for me to begin again. I can hear my local Hardware store cheering on my latest project.
    >
    > So..before I return to the trike with what tools I have left, anyone know
    if
    > the Cold is causing the steel to resist (everything I am doing to
    > it)????????????
    >
    > And people ask (why) I do NOT repair bikes!!!!
    >
    > Under Funny stuff, not like gaga funny, more of a...Oh No... kinda funny. 2 days ago I completed
    > the Ultimate Trike seat, cool headrest, lumbar support, black Naugahyde, dense foam, 2 rolls of
    > duct tape (Red Green
    would
    > be sooo proud). I mounted the 4 custom built support brackets (backwards), then added the
    > foam/vinyl etc. Point was the brackets were NOT supposed to BE backwards. When you sit down and
    > lean back...8 Steel Bolts pierced the Vinyl and darn near pierced me...ouch. Must've broken a
    > world speed record for jumping out of a tadpole seat. Seat is in the garbage dumpster
    now...no
    > way to reverse the brackets. So I figured....gee why not just remove the RANS seat mount
    > and install
    the
    > M5 Hardshell....how hard could that be?
     
  7. Yep..2 hacksaw blades used, both now very ruined. The Sabre saw used Hacksaw blades as well.
    ----------------*&%$#@+ = oh yeah---------- "rorschandt" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message news:[email protected]...
    > "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >
    > > I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on
    > > me...could a Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This
    > > is a serious question (I failed Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre
    > > saw (accidentally whacked it full blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed
    > > for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4 Dremel Cut-off Discs, >snip<
    >
    > Okay, you didn't mention anything about an ordinary hacksaw, my favorite way to cut stuff off my
    > trike. Did you try that? I'm a bit afraid to suggest this, out fear for your trike. Perhaps if you
    > sent a picture, I could give some pointers. I'm sure the cold affects your dexterity, and perhaps
    > thinking. Like, "I'm going to hurry and cut this *&%$#@+ thing off so I can get back indoors."
    >
    > later, Rorschandt
     
  8. What?
    Note: I said I (failed) Physics in College...
    -------------------------------------------
    "Doug Huffman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Ferrous alloys transition from elastic to brittle failure modes (and machining is controlled
    > 'failure') at low temperatures specific to the metallurgy of the material.
    >
    > This phenomena came to public attention with the brittle failure of
    Liberty
    > ships while pierside and in reasonably (for North Atlantic service) low temperatures.
    >
    > I held up a million dollar yield test of air bottles on just this point. The machinery was exposed
    > to unexpectedly low temperatures - slightly sub-freezing - as I was about to inject water into
    > large air bottles at
    very
    > high pressure - on the order of 10kpsi. As the volume injected into the bottles rose the pressure
    > increase should have risen linearly as long as
    the
    > metal was in its elastic range. The design conditions were for controlled temperatures though and
    > no one was able to assure me that the bottle's Reference Transition Temperature RTT was below the
    > actual temp.
    >
    >
    > "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on me...could
    a
    > > Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This is a serious
    > > question (I failed Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw
    > > (accidentally whacked it full blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1
    > > Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4 Dremel Cut-off Discs, a Robertson and Philips head
    > > screwdrivers, 8 Jigsaw (metal cutter) blades, 1 Hammer claw (snapped off
    > and
    > > hit my overhead spotlamp...also now toast), 5 titanium drill bits, 2
    > hacksaw
    > > blades, 1 Blow Torch tank went empty in the cold after I tried to heat
    up
    > > the boom. Oh Yeah and I dented the boom with a poorly aimed Sledge
    Hammer.
    > >
    > > I figured it was way too cold today to go riding....so I'd remove the bracket (welded) to the
    > > main boom as a Seat support. There are 6 small
    > metal
    > > clips welded to the boom for a RANS seat mount (older type). All I
    wanted
    > to
    > > do was remove the 6 two inch high X 2 inch wide clips and so far I have probably caused about
    > > $300.00 in damage and wrecked the boom...making
    > resale
    > > somewhat difficult.
    > >
    > > Oh Yeah...am working on the Tadpole outside, my wife fears (and
    > justifiably
    > > so) that my mechanical skills will destroy the apartment if I worked on
    > the
    > > trike inside.
    > >
    > > All I was doing was removing one RANS seat mount in order to mount a M5 Hard-shell, seemed so
    > > simple last night when I thought about doing
    it...to
    > > kill time due to the awfully cold weather....who knew.
    > >
    > > I am taking a rest now, but still have 3 brackets left to go....just
    > waiting
    > > for me to begin again. I can hear my local Hardware store cheering on my latest project.
    > >
    > > So..before I return to the trike with what tools I have left, anyone
    know
    > if
    > > the Cold is causing the steel to resist (everything I am doing to
    > > it)????????????
    > >
    > > And people ask (why) I do NOT repair bikes!!!!
    > >
    > > Under Funny stuff, not like gaga funny, more of a...Oh No... kinda
    funny.
    > > 2 days ago I completed the Ultimate Trike seat, cool headrest, lumbar support, black Naugahyde,
    > > dense foam, 2 rolls of duct tape (Red Green
    > would
    > > be sooo proud). I mounted the 4 custom built support brackets
    (backwards),
    > > then added the foam/vinyl etc. Point was the brackets were NOT supposed
    to
    > > BE backwards. When you sit down and lean back...8 Steel Bolts pierced
    the
    > > Vinyl and darn near pierced me...ouch. Must've broken a world speed
    record
    > > for jumping out of a tadpole seat. Seat is in the garbage dumpster
    > now...no
    > > way to reverse the brackets. So I figured....gee why not just remove the RANS seat mount and
    > > install
    > the
    > > M5 Hardshell....how hard could that be?
    > >
    >
     
  9. Doug Huffman

    Doug Huffman Guest

    Yes. Low temperatures could be causing your troubles.

    Your tools are being used at temperatures lower than that for which they were designed. They are
    more susceptible to shattering in brittle low toughness failure that in their normal tough elastic
    high energy failure mode.

    For our American readers, -30C is about the same in Fahrenheit - Damn cold.

    "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > What?
    > Note: I said I (failed) Physics in College...
    > -------------------------------------------
    > "Doug Huffman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > Ferrous alloys transition from elastic to brittle failure modes (and machining is controlled
    > > 'failure') at low temperatures specific to the metallurgy of the material.
    > >
    > > This phenomena came to public attention with the brittle failure of
    > Liberty
    > > ships while pierside and in reasonably (for North Atlantic service) low temperatures.
    > >
    > > I held up a million dollar yield test of air bottles on just this point. The machinery was
    > > exposed to unexpectedly low temperatures - slightly sub-freezing - as I was about to inject
    > > water into large air bottles at
    > very
    > > high pressure - on the order of 10kpsi. As the volume injected into the bottles rose the
    > > pressure increase should have risen linearly as long as
    > the
    > > metal was in its elastic range. The design conditions were for
    controlled
    > > temperatures though and no one was able to assure me that the bottle's Reference Transition
    > > Temperature RTT was below the actual temp.
    > >
    > >
    > > "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on
    me...could
    > a
    > > > Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This is a
    > > > serious question (I failed Physics in College). So far I
    have
    > > > (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full blast with
    a
    > > > Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4 Dremel
    > > > Cut-off Discs, a Robertson and Philips head screwdrivers, 8 Jigsaw (metal cutter) blades, 1
    > > > Hammer claw (snapped
    off
    > > and
    > > > hit my overhead spotlamp...also now toast), 5 titanium drill bits, 2
    > > hacksaw
    > > > blades, 1 Blow Torch tank went empty in the cold after I tried to heat
    > up
    > > > the boom. Oh Yeah and I dented the boom with a poorly aimed Sledge
    > Hammer.
    > > >
    > > > I figured it was way too cold today to go riding....so I'd remove the bracket (welded) to the
    > > > main boom as a Seat support. There are 6 small
    > > metal
    > > > clips welded to the boom for a RANS seat mount (older type). All I
    > wanted
    > > to
    > > > do was remove the 6 two inch high X 2 inch wide clips and so far I
    have
    > > > probably caused about $300.00 in damage and wrecked the boom...making
    > > resale
    > > > somewhat difficult.
    > > >
    > > > Oh Yeah...am working on the Tadpole outside, my wife fears (and
    > > justifiably
    > > > so) that my mechanical skills will destroy the apartment if I worked
    on
    > > the
    > > > trike inside.
    > > >
    > > > All I was doing was removing one RANS seat mount in order to mount a
    M5
    > > > Hard-shell, seemed so simple last night when I thought about doing
    > it...to
    > > > kill time due to the awfully cold weather....who knew.
    > > >
    > > > I am taking a rest now, but still have 3 brackets left to go....just
    > > waiting
    > > > for me to begin again. I can hear my local Hardware store cheering on
    my
    > > > latest project.
    > > >
    > > > So..before I return to the trike with what tools I have left, anyone
    > know
    > > if
    > > > the Cold is causing the steel to resist (everything I am doing to
    > > > it)????????????
    > > >
    > > > And people ask (why) I do NOT repair bikes!!!!
    > > >
    > > > Under Funny stuff, not like gaga funny, more of a...Oh No... kinda
    > funny.
    > > > 2 days ago I completed the Ultimate Trike seat, cool headrest, lumbar support, black
    > > > Naugahyde, dense foam, 2 rolls of duct tape (Red Green
    > > would
    > > > be sooo proud). I mounted the 4 custom built support brackets
    > (backwards),
    > > > then added the foam/vinyl etc. Point was the brackets were NOT
    supposed
    > to
    > > > BE backwards. When you sit down and lean back...8 Steel Bolts pierced
    > the
    > > > Vinyl and darn near pierced me...ouch. Must've broken a world speed
    > record
    > > > for jumping out of a tadpole seat. Seat is in the garbage dumpster
    > > now...no
    > > > way to reverse the brackets. So I figured....gee why not just remove the RANS seat mount and
    install
    > > the
    > > > M5 Hardshell....how hard could that be?
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    >
     
  10. Thanx Doug I kinda figured the cold was to blame, but I needed someone else to say it so my wife
    agrees to another of my shopping trips to the hardware store.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -----
    "Doug Huffman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Yes. Low temperatures could be causing your troubles.
    >
    > Your tools are being used at temperatures lower than that for which they were designed. They are
    > more susceptible to shattering in brittle low toughness failure that in their normal tough elastic
    > high energy failure mode.
    >
    > For our American readers, -30C is about the same in Fahrenheit - Damn
    cold.
    >
    >
    > "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > What?
    > > Note: I said I (failed) Physics in College...
    > > -------------------------------------------
    > > "Doug Huffman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Ferrous alloys transition from elastic to brittle failure modes (and machining is controlled
    > > > 'failure') at low temperatures specific to the metallurgy of the material.
    > > >
    > > > This phenomena came to public attention with the brittle failure of
    > > Liberty
    > > > ships while pierside and in reasonably (for North Atlantic service)
    low
    > > > temperatures.
    > > >
    > > > I held up a million dollar yield test of air bottles on just this
    point.
    > > > The machinery was exposed to unexpectedly low temperatures - slightly sub-freezing - as I was
    > > > about to inject water into large air bottles
    at
    > > very
    > > > high pressure - on the order of 10kpsi. As the volume injected into
    the
    > > > bottles rose the pressure increase should have risen linearly as long
    as
    > > the
    > > > metal was in its elastic range. The design conditions were for
    > controlled
    > > > temperatures though and no one was able to assure me that the bottle's Reference Transition
    > > > Temperature RTT was below the actual temp.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on
    > me...could
    > > a
    > > > > Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble
    I'm
    > > > > having? This is a serious question (I failed Physics in College). So far I
    > have
    > > > > (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full blast
    with
    > a
    > > > > Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small
    slot
    > > > > screwdriver, 4 Dremel Cut-off Discs, a Robertson and Philips head screwdrivers, 8 Jigsaw
    > > > > (metal cutter) blades, 1 Hammer claw (snapped
    > off
    > > > and
    > > > > hit my overhead spotlamp...also now toast), 5 titanium drill bits, 2
    > > > hacksaw
    > > > > blades, 1 Blow Torch tank went empty in the cold after I tried to
    heat
    > > up
    > > > > the boom. Oh Yeah and I dented the boom with a poorly aimed Sledge
    > > Hammer.
    > > > >
    > > > > I figured it was way too cold today to go riding....so I'd remove
    the
    > > > > bracket (welded) to the main boom as a Seat support. There are 6
    small
    > > > metal
    > > > > clips welded to the boom for a RANS seat mount (older type). All I
    > > wanted
    > > > to
    > > > > do was remove the 6 two inch high X 2 inch wide clips and so far I
    > have
    > > > > probably caused about $300.00 in damage and wrecked the
    boom...making
    > > > resale
    > > > > somewhat difficult.
    > > > >
    > > > > Oh Yeah...am working on the Tadpole outside, my wife fears (and
    > > > justifiably
    > > > > so) that my mechanical skills will destroy the apartment if I worked
    > on
    > > > the
    > > > > trike inside.
    > > > >
    > > > > All I was doing was removing one RANS seat mount in order to mount a
    > M5
    > > > > Hard-shell, seemed so simple last night when I thought about doing
    > > it...to
    > > > > kill time due to the awfully cold weather....who knew.
    > > > >
    > > > > I am taking a rest now, but still have 3 brackets left to go....just
    > > > waiting
    > > > > for me to begin again. I can hear my local Hardware store cheering
    on
    > my
    > > > > latest project.
    > > > >
    > > > > So..before I return to the trike with what tools I have left, anyone
    > > know
    > > > if
    > > > > the Cold is causing the steel to resist (everything I am doing to
    > > > > it)????????????
    > > > >
    > > > > And people ask (why) I do NOT repair bikes!!!!
    > > > >
    > > > > Under Funny stuff, not like gaga funny, more of a...Oh No... kinda
    > > funny.
    > > > > 2 days ago I completed the Ultimate Trike seat, cool headrest,
    lumbar
    > > > > support, black Naugahyde, dense foam, 2 rolls of duct tape (Red
    Green
    > > > would
    > > > > be sooo proud). I mounted the 4 custom built support brackets
    > > (backwards),
    > > > > then added the foam/vinyl etc. Point was the brackets were NOT
    > supposed
    > > to
    > > > > BE backwards. When you sit down and lean back...8 Steel Bolts
    pierced
    > > the
    > > > > Vinyl and darn near pierced me...ouch. Must've broken a world speed
    > > record
    > > > > for jumping out of a tadpole seat. Seat is in the garbage dumpster
    > > > now...no
    > > > > way to reverse the brackets. So I figured....gee why not just remove the RANS seat mount and
    > install
    > > > the
    > > > > M5 Hardshell....how hard could that be?
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    >
     
  11. Hi, Joshua, didn't you say something recently to the effect that you were going to be building
    trikes to sell to people on this NG?

    I don't think I want one, OK? :)

    Lewis.

    http://home.earthlink.net/~limeylew/index.html

    ..................

    "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on me...could a Minus 30 Celsius
    > outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This is a serious question (I failed
    > Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full
    > blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4
    > Dremel Cut-off Discs, a Robertson and Philips head screwdrivers, 8 Jigsaw (metal cutter) blades, 1
    > Hammer claw (snapped off and hit my overhead spotlamp...also now toast), 5 titanium drill bits, 2
    > hacksaw blades, 1 Blow Torch tank went empty in the cold after I tried to heat up the boom. Oh
    > Yeah and I dented the boom with a poorly aimed Sledge Hammer.
    >
    > I figured it was way too cold today to go riding....so I'd remove the bracket (welded) to the main
    > boom as a Seat support. There are 6 small metal clips welded to the boom for a RANS seat mount
    > (older type). All I wanted to do was remove the 6 two inch high X 2 inch wide clips and so far I
    > have probably caused about $300.00 in damage and wrecked the boom...making resale somewhat
    > difficult.
    >
    > Oh Yeah...am working on the Tadpole outside, my wife fears (and justifiably so) that my mechanical
    > skills will destroy the apartment if I worked on the trike inside.
    >
    > All I was doing was removing one RANS seat mount in order to mount a M5 Hard-shell, seemed so
    > simple last night when I thought about doing it...to kill time due to the awfully cold
    > weather....who knew.
    >
    > I am taking a rest now, but still have 3 brackets left to go....just waiting for me to begin
    > again. I can hear my local Hardware store cheering on my latest project.
    >
    > So..before I return to the trike with what tools I have left, anyone know if the Cold is causing
    > the steel to resist (everything I am doing to
    > it)????????????
    >
    > And people ask (why) I do NOT repair bikes!!!!
    >
    > Under Funny stuff, not like gaga funny, more of a...Oh No... kinda funny. 2 days ago I completed
    > the Ultimate Trike seat, cool headrest, lumbar support, black Naugahyde, dense foam, 2 rolls of
    > duct tape (Red Green would be sooo proud). I mounted the 4 custom built support brackets
    > (backwards), then added the foam/vinyl etc. Point was the brackets were NOT supposed to BE
    > backwards. When you sit down and lean back...8 Steel Bolts pierced the Vinyl and darn near pierced
    > me...ouch. Must've broken a world speed record for jumping out of a tadpole seat. Seat is in the
    > garbage dumpster now...no way to reverse the brackets. So I figured....gee why not just remove the
    > RANS seat mount and install the M5 Hardshell....how hard could that be?
     
  12. Tom Sherman

    Tom Sherman Guest

    Joshua Goldberg wrote:
    >
    > Thanx Doug I kinda figured the cold was to blame, but I needed someone else to say it so my wife
    > agrees to another of my shopping trips to the > hardware store.

    I suggest running modified Charpy [1] tests on the different alloys involved to determine the
    brittle-to-ductile transition temperatures (BDTT) so you can be sure to perform all metal work at a
    temperature above the highest BDTT.

    [1] Very similar to the device used on members of the French nobility 214 years ago.

    Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) RANS "Wavewind" and Rocket, Earth Cycles Sunset and
    Dragonflyer
     
  13. I did wonder if anyone would remember the Trike business and wonder IF what I did today was part of
    those trikes.

    This trike (is a prototype), it was Over-built by an Engineering Dept....in the U.S. N/W for me. One
    of the trike designers was a BikeE Engineer. Damn thing was designed to be dropped into the Grand
    Canyon and still be driven...try that with a Trice Micro.... It cost me $750. to ship it to Toronto
    and now I am hitting it with a hammer and assorted tools.

    The Jigs are already done for (both trike designs), I get to play with the Prototypes and they'll
    end up (not for sale).

    The Tadpoles for the business venture will NOT be touched by my hands, I have a Professional
    Framebuilder doing the trikes for me...My design, but his skill and tools used to build it and he'll
    sign his framesets. Am hoping to get the Alum. booms supplied by a trike builder in Texas..haven't
    asked him yet, I need to get some more cash b4 I commit to using his and other bent builder's parts
    in the USA. (NOT from Taiwan).

    It has always been my intention to draw upon people who know what they are doing and assemble the
    trikes with parts they build...kind of a collaborative effort.

    I will leave bent construction up to those who know what they are doing. My trikes will be Modular,
    the buyer will add/subtract the options they want according to where they intend to drive the trike.

    I was thinking of naming the 1st trike "Jerry Lee", but his also being know by the phrase "the
    Killer" may NOT be a good name to give a trike. Still like the idea of naming a trike after Jerry
    Lee Lewis though. Option 2 was name it "Southern Comfort"...smooooooth. But I figure I'll let some
    Southern USA builder use that name and get the Liquor company to back
    it.Option 3 was name it "Silver Bullet"...but my wife is from "Transylvania"...(really) and well
    Silver Bullets and Transylvanians do not get along...or so I've been told. She figures I came up
    with the name Silver Bullet to get back at her. Did I mention when we argue I wear a necklace of
    Garlic cloves and carry a wooden crucifix soaked in Holy Water.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -------------------------------------------------------------------
    "Lewis Campbell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Hi, Joshua, didn't you say something recently to the effect that you were going to be building
    > trikes to sell to people on this NG?
    >
    > I don't think I want one, OK? :)
    >
    > Lewis.
    >
    > http://home.earthlink.net/~limeylew/index.html
    >
    > ..................
    >
    >
    > "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > > I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on me...could
    a
    > > Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This is a serious
    > > question (I failed Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw
    > > (accidentally whacked it full blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1
    > > Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4 Dremel Cut-off Discs, a Robertson and Philips head
    > > screwdrivers, 8 Jigsaw (metal cutter) blades, 1 Hammer claw (snapped off
    and
    > > hit my overhead spotlamp...also now toast), 5 titanium drill bits, 2
    hacksaw
    > > blades, 1 Blow Torch tank went empty in the cold after I tried to heat
    up
    > > the boom. Oh Yeah and I dented the boom with a poorly aimed Sledge
    Hammer.
    > >
    > > I figured it was way too cold today to go riding....so I'd remove the bracket (welded) to the
    > > main boom as a Seat support. There are 6 small
    metal
    > > clips welded to the boom for a RANS seat mount (older type). All I
    wanted to
    > > do was remove the 6 two inch high X 2 inch wide clips and so far I have probably caused about
    > > $300.00 in damage and wrecked the boom...making
    resale
    > > somewhat difficult.
    > >
    > > Oh Yeah...am working on the Tadpole outside, my wife fears (and
    justifiably
    > > so) that my mechanical skills will destroy the apartment if I worked on
    the
    > > trike inside.
    > >
    > > All I was doing was removing one RANS seat mount in order to mount a M5 Hard-shell, seemed so
    > > simple last night when I thought about doing
    iu...to
    > > kill time due to the awfully cold weather....who knew.
    > >
    > > I am taking a rest now, but still have 3 brackets left to go....just
    waiting
    > > for me to begin again. I can hear my local Hardware store cheering on my latest project.
    > >
    > > So..before I return to the trike with what tools I have left, anyone
    know if
    > > the Cold is causing the steel to resist (everything I am doing to
    > > it)????????????
    > >
    > > And people ask (why) I do NOT repair bikes!!!!
    > >
    > > Under Funny stuff, not like gaga funny, more of a...Oh No... kinda
    funny.
    > > 2 days ago I completed the Ultimate Trike seat, cool headrest, lumbar support, black Naugahyde,
    > > dense foam, 2 rolls of duct tape (Red Green
    would
    > > be sooo proud). I mounted the 4 custom built support brackets
    (backwards),
    > > then added the foam/vinyl etc. Point was the brackets were NOT supposed
    to
    > > BE backwards. When you sit down and lean back...8 Steel Bolts pierced
    the
    > > Vinyl and darn near pierced me...ouch. Must've broken a world speed
    record
    > > for jumping out of a tadpole seat. Seat is in the garbage dumpster
    now...no
    > > way to reverse the brackets. So I figured....gee why not just remove the RANS seat mount and
    > > install
    the
    > > M5 Hardshell....how hard could that be?
     
  14. Al Kubeluis

    Al Kubeluis Guest

    Joshua, Are you related to Rube? ~~~ Al Kubeluis ~ Bacchetta Corsa ~ Maryland ~ USA ~~~

    "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Yep..2 hacksaw blades used, both now very ruined. The Sabre saw used
    Hacksaw
    > blades as well. ----------------*&%$#@+ = oh yeah---------- "rorschandt"
    > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > > news:[email protected]:
    > >
    > > > I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on
    > > > me...could a Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having?
    > > > This is a serious question (I failed Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill
    > > > Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I
    > > > aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4 Dremel Cut-off Discs, >snip<
    > >
    > > Okay, you didn't mention anything about an ordinary hacksaw, my favorite way to cut stuff off my
    > > trike. Did you try that? I'm a bit afraid to suggest this, out fear for your trike. Perhaps if
    > > you sent a picture, I could give some pointers. I'm sure the cold affects your dexterity, and
    > > perhaps thinking. Like,
    "I'm
    > > going to hurry and cut this *&%$#@+ thing off so I can get back
    indoors."
    > >
    > > later, Rorschandt
     
  15. Hel-Bent

    Hel-Bent Guest

    Josh,

    First, I wish to reprimand you for using Naugahyde. Those poor defenseless Naugys! And we
    slaughter them to make our cheap chairs and couches, never mind their meat (which I heard is
    pretty damn chewy).

    Secondly, alloyed steel (AKA Cro-Mo 4130, hard-shit, etc, etc..) does not yield to cheap saw blades
    or drills. The best and most effective way to remove those brackets is to grind them off using a
    man-eater or angle grinder. If you must be anal, use a saw with a bi-metal blade as these hold up
    fair against harder alloys. The art of drilling (or cutting) is never get your tool bit hot, as it
    will anneal and become useless. With this said, drill slowly, and use plenty of oil as a coolant.

    Last, be good to yourself. I sense that you also are missing a couple of digits on each hand?

    Best regards,

    --
    Rickey Horwitz Hell-bent Cycle Works http://www.hellbentcycles.com

    "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on me...could a Minus 30 Celsius
    > outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This is a serious question (I failed
    > Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full
    > blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4
    > Dremel Cut-off Discs, a Robertson and Philips head screwdrivers, 8 Jigsaw (metal cutter) blades, 1
    > Hammer claw (snapped off
    and
    > hit my overhead spotlamp...also now toast), 5 titanium drill bits, 2
    hacksaw
    > blades, 1 Blow Torch tank went empty in the cold after I tried to heat up the boom. Oh Yeah and I
    > dented the boom with a poorly aimed Sledge Hammer.
    >
    > I figured it was way too cold today to go riding....so I'd remove the bracket (welded) to the main
    > boom as a Seat support. There are 6 small
    metal
    > clips welded to the boom for a RANS seat mount (older type). All I wanted
    to
    > do was remove the 6 two inch high X 2 inch wide clips and so far I have probably caused about
    > $300.00 in damage and wrecked the boom...making
    resale
    > somewhat difficult.
    >
    > Oh Yeah...am working on the Tadpole outside, my wife fears (and
    justifiably
    > so) that my mechanical skills will destroy the apartment if I worked on
    the
    > trike inside.
    >
    > All I was doing was removing one RANS seat mount in order to mount a M5 Hard-shell, seemed so
    > simple last night when I thought about doing it...to kill time due to the awfully cold
    > weather....who knew.
    >
    > I am taking a rest now, but still have 3 brackets left to go....just
    waiting
    > for me to begin again. I can hear my local Hardware store cheering on my latest project.
    >
    > So..before I return to the trike with what tools I have left, anyone know
    if
    > the Cold is causing the steel to resist (everything I am doing to
    > it)????????????
    >
    > And people ask (why) I do NOT repair bikes!!!!
    >
    > Under Funny stuff, not like gaga funny, more of a...Oh No... kinda funny. 2 days ago I completed
    > the Ultimate Trike seat, cool headrest, lumbar support, black Naugahyde, dense foam, 2 rolls of
    > duct tape (Red Green
    would
    > be sooo proud). I mounted the 4 custom built support brackets (backwards), then added the
    > foam/vinyl etc. Point was the brackets were NOT supposed to BE backwards. When you sit down and
    > lean back...8 Steel Bolts pierced the Vinyl and darn near pierced me...ouch. Must've broken a
    > world speed record for jumping out of a tadpole seat. Seat is in the garbage dumpster
    now...no
    > way to reverse the brackets. So I figured....gee why not just remove the RANS seat mount
    > and install
    the
    > M5 Hardshell....how hard could that be?
     
  16. Doug Huffman

    Doug Huffman Guest

    Cough <<@)#(($*%&>>Cough!

    Naugas are pests (a.k.a. vermin, varmints) on, e. g. submarines where they graze on bilge mung. On
    boats, naugas are mercifully and painlessly killed with the Knickerbockers Nauga Knocker (tm) to
    provide hyde for the many stools and chairs.

    4130 is not exotic, hard or hard to work with.

    The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.

    "Hel-bent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Josh,
    >
    > First, I wish to reprimand you for using Naugahyde. Those poor defenseless Naugys! And we
    > slaughter them to make our cheap chairs and couches, never mind their meat (which I heard is
    > pretty damn chewy).
    >
    > Secondly, alloyed steel (AKA Cro-Mo 4130, hard-shit, etc, etc..) does not yield to cheap saw
    > blades or drills. The best and most effective way to remove those brackets is to grind them off
    > using a man-eater or angle grinder. If you must be anal, use a saw with a bi-metal blade as these
    hold
    > up fair against harder alloys. The art of drilling (or cutting) is never get your tool bit hot, as
    > it will anneal and become useless. With this said, drill slowly, and use plenty of oil as a
    > coolant.
    >
    > Last, be good to yourself. I sense that you also are missing a couple of digits on each hand?
    >
    > Best regards,
    >
    > --
    > Rickey Horwitz Hell-bent Cycle Works http://www.hellbentcycles.com
     
  17. The Catskills Rube? "Al Kubeluis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Joshua, Are you related to Rube? ~~~ Al Kubeluis ~ Bacchetta Corsa ~ Maryland ~ USA ~~~
    >
    > "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Yep..2 hacksaw blades used, both now very ruined. The Sabre saw used
    > Hacksaw
    > > blades as well. ----------------*&%$#@+ = oh yeah---------- "rorschandt"
    > > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > > > news:[email protected]:
    > > >
    > > > > I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on
    > > > > me...could a Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having?
    > > > > This is a serious question (I failed Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1
    > > > > Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full
    blast
    > > > > with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4
    > > > > Dremel Cut-off Discs, >snip<
    > > >
    > > > Okay, you didn't mention anything about an ordinary hacksaw, my
    favorite
    > > > way to cut stuff off my trike. Did you try that? I'm a bit afraid to suggest this, out fear
    > > > for your trike. Perhaps if you sent a picture,
    I
    > > > could give some pointers. I'm sure the cold affects your dexterity, and perhaps thinking.
    > > > Like,
    > "I'm
    > > > going to hurry and cut this *&%$#@+ thing off so I can get back
    > indoors."
    > > >
    > > > later, Rorschandt
    > >
    >
     
  18. Al Kubeluis

    Al Kubeluis Guest

    No, the Goldberg Rube Al "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > The Catskills Rube? "Al Kubeluis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Joshua, Are you related to Rube? ~~~ Al Kubeluis ~ Bacchetta Corsa ~ Maryland ~ USA ~~~
    > >
    > > "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Yep..2 hacksaw blades used, both now very ruined. The Sabre saw used
    > > Hacksaw
    > > > blades as well. ----------------*&%$#@+ = oh yeah---------- "rorschandt"
    > > > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > > > > news:[email protected]:
    > > > >
    > > > > > I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on
    > > > > > me...could a Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me
    all
    > > > > > the trouble I'm having? This is a serious question (I failed Physics in College). So far I
    > > > > > have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full
    > blast
    > > > > > with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver,
    > > > > > 4 Dremel Cut-off Discs, >snip<
    > > > >
    > > > > Okay, you didn't mention anything about an ordinary hacksaw, my
    > favorite
    > > > > way to cut stuff off my trike. Did you try that? I'm a bit afraid to suggest this, out fear
    > > > > for your trike. Perhaps if you sent a
    picture,
    > I
    > > > > could give some pointers. I'm sure the cold affects your dexterity, and perhaps thinking.
    Like,
    > > "I'm
    > > > > going to hurry and cut this *&%$#@+ thing off so I can get back
    > > indoors."
    > > > >
    > > > > later, Rorschandt
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    >
     
  19. Obviously I am NOT getting this at all, there is a man named "Rube Goldberg" who once operated a
    Hotel in the Catskills...not far from where I went to High School. Rube being the short form of
    Rubin. I also recently discovered there is another Joshua Goldberg not far from where I live and he
    OR she (not sure which) is the Head of Canada's Trans-sexual rights group. Seems that Joshua has
    been annoying the hell out of lots of people and I am getting his hate mail. Am going to have to use
    my middle initial so folks can direct their mail to him and not me.....my initials are JAG, his are
    JMG. And NO I am NOT related to Whoopi Goldberg b4 U ask.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------
    "Al Kubeluis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > No, the Goldberg Rube Al "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > The Catskills Rube? "Al Kubeluis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Joshua, Are you related to Rube? ~~~ Al Kubeluis ~ Bacchetta Corsa ~ Maryland ~ USA ~~~
    > > >
    > > > "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > Yep..2 hacksaw blades used, both now very ruined. The Sabre saw used
    > > > Hacksaw
    > > > > blades as well. ----------------*&%$#@+ = oh yeah---------- "rorschandt"
    > > > > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > > > > > news:[email protected]:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > > I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on
    > > > > > > me...could a Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me
    > all
    > > > > > > the trouble I'm having? This is a serious question (I failed Physics in College). So far
    I
    > > > > > > have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full
    > > blast
    > > > > > > with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large,
    1
    > > > > > > Small slot screwdriver, 4 Dremel Cut-off Discs, >snip<
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Okay, you didn't mention anything about an ordinary hacksaw, my
    > > favorite
    > > > > > way to cut stuff off my trike. Did you try that? I'm a bit afraid
    to
    > > > > > suggest this, out fear for your trike. Perhaps if you sent a
    > picture,
    > > I
    > > > > > could give some pointers. I'm sure the cold affects your dexterity, and perhaps thinking.
    > Like,
    > > > "I'm
    > > > > > going to hurry and cut this *&%$#@+ thing off so I can get back
    > > > indoors."
    > > > > >
    > > > > > later, Rorschandt
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    >
     
  20. Rorschandt

    Rorschandt Guest

    "Joshua Goldberg" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Obviously I am NOT getting this at all, there is a man named "Rube Goldberg" who once operated a
    > Hotel in the Catskills...not far from

    There was a Rube Goldberg, a cartoonist of sorts I believe. He would diagram outlandish contraptions
    that would eventually perform a simple act. For instance(and I'm making this up on the fly, so don't
    expect much)a piece of toast pops up in the toaster, which frightens the cat who has a string tied
    to his tail. The cats actions then trip a lever releasing food for the fish tank. Many people are
    entertained by tracing the circuitous route to achieve a simple task.I am not one of them, however,
    I am providing a link because I know what it is like to have no clue about some pop culture thing
    that nobody will bother explaining http://www.rube- goldberg.com/html/gallery.htm

    Mine was "Any port in a storm", which an ex refused to explain what she meant after she used it. She
    did not use it in a nautical context. It was a very wounding experience. rorschandt
     
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