Cold weather riding and keeping head warm while wearing a helmet

Discussion in 'Road Cycling' started by DOOH, Dec 14, 2005.

  1. DOOH

    DOOH Guest

    Hi,

    Went out on an hour long road ride today in what is probably the chilliest
    ride of the year for me so far. As I'm fairly new to new england, I'm having
    trouble keeping my head warm when its below 25f.

    Feet, fingers and body all OK but wearing a helmet (which I feel is
    essential for as accident prone as I am) with the straps done up correctly
    is really difficult if I want to pile on the gear under it. I'm currently
    using a large helmet to accomodate the extra layers while in the summer I
    normally have a medium. Its a good fit and is snug and I feel safe but I
    really need something warmer.

    Here's what I currently wear:

    Gortex helmet cover
    Bell Helmet
    Thinsilate Hat (normal ski type cap, kinda thick)
    Specialised Skull cap (about the thickness of armwarmers)
    Clear glasses
    Scarf wrapped around neck, tucked into collar of jacket

    I can put all that on but it only feels warm down to about 25f. I was out
    today in temps cooler with a bit of wind and just standing around was chilly
    let alone riding downhill at 30mph.

    I have some great hats when I'm out sking and such but I get nervous without
    a helmet. Anyone ever ride with a ski helmet on, they look like they have
    closed vents and cover the back a bit more and have built in ear muffs. Are
    they just overbuilt bike hemets or are they designed for ski-specific
    crashes?

    What about ski goggles. Anyone ever ride with them? My Oakley M-frames do a
    good job but tend to fog up quite a bit when I tuck my face down into my
    scarf.

    Any advice from any cold weather warriors? Surely someone from Alaska or
    Nebraska or other chilly climes must wear a helmet and still be able to stay
    warm...
     
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  2. DOOH wrote:

    > I can put all that on but it only feels warm down to about 25f. I was out
    > today in temps cooler with a bit of wind and just standing around was chilly
    > let alone riding downhill at 30mph.


    I get by with a poly balaclava I picked up at a sporting goods store;
    it's got a built-in neck gaiter (so no scarf needed), and covers the
    face well. The top is thin, as it's intended as a helmet liner, so I put
    a wool toque on top of that (I picked it up at Marshall Field's a year
    or so ago, and paid far too much in the process), and then my helmet,
    with the straps loosened up for fit. That's been enough to keep me warm
    into the high single digits, which is the coldest I've ridden in thus far.

    > What about ski goggles. Anyone ever ride with them? My Oakley M-frames do a
    > good job but tend to fog up quite a bit when I tuck my face down into my
    > scarf.


    I was eyeing up* a cheap pair the other day at a discount store (just
    enough to keep cold air off the eyes), but haven't pulled the trigger
    yet. I just throw in my contact lenses and go; I haven't worn my
    sunglasses much thus far, but I usually pull the balaclava down off the
    nose slightly to prevent fogging when I do.


    *Pun fully intended.

    --

    __o Kristian Zoerhoff
    _'\(,_ [email protected]
    (_)/ (_)
     
  3. mark

    mark Guest

    "DOOH" wrote ...
    > Hi,
    >
    > Went out on an hour long road ride today in what is probably the chilliest
    > ride of the year for me so far. As I'm fairly new to new england, I'm
    > having trouble keeping my head warm when its below 25f.
    >
    > Feet, fingers and body all OK but wearing a helmet (which I feel is
    > essential for as accident prone as I am) with the straps done up correctly
    > is really difficult if I want to pile on the gear under it. I'm currently
    > using a large helmet to accomodate the extra layers while in the summer I
    > normally have a medium. Its a good fit and is snug and I feel safe but I
    > really need something warmer.
    >
    > Here's what I currently wear:
    >
    > Gortex helmet cover
    > Bell Helmet
    > Thinsilate Hat (normal ski type cap, kinda thick)
    > Specialised Skull cap (about the thickness of armwarmers)
    > Clear glasses
    > Scarf wrapped around neck, tucked into collar of jacket
    >
    > I can put all that on but it only feels warm down to about 25f. I was out
    > today in temps cooler with a bit of wind and just standing around was
    > chilly let alone riding downhill at 30mph.
    >
    > I have some great hats when I'm out sking and such but I get nervous
    > without a helmet. Anyone ever ride with a ski helmet on, they look like
    > they have closed vents and cover the back a bit more and have built in ear
    > muffs. Are they just overbuilt bike hemets or are they designed for
    > ski-specific crashes?
    >
    > What about ski goggles. Anyone ever ride with them? My Oakley M-frames do
    > a good job but tend to fog up quite a bit when I tuck my face down into my
    > scarf.
    >
    > Any advice from any cold weather warriors? Surely someone from Alaska or
    > Nebraska or other chilly climes must wear a helmet and still be able to
    > stay warm...
    >


    I wear a thin balaclava with my helmet, either a Pearl Izumi or a slightly
    thicker Turtle Fur model that looks like it was meant to go under a ski
    helmet. I think the continuous coverage of a balaclava is warmer than the
    hat/scarf combo. I also have a thin wool hat that I sometimes wear under
    the cycle helmet. I wear a Bell Metro helmet with the rain cover (not
    Gore-Tex) and the winter add-ons (ear muffs and vent plugs). Is it possible
    that you're cramming so many layers under your helmet that you're crushing
    the insulation, losing the dead air space?

    I try to keep my whole body protected, instead of focussing on one
    part.Windproof tops and bottoms are crucial, as is a pair of neoprene shoe
    covers. I found a pair of SportHill tights that are cut a little looser than
    standard Lycra tights, leaving room for long underwear underneath. I also
    find that wool long underwear, socks, jersey tend to insulate a touch better
    than even the best synthetics.
    HTH,
    --
    mark
     
  4. Zoot Katz

    Zoot Katz Guest

    On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:41:42 -0500, "DOOH" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Anyone ever ride with a ski helmet on, they look like they have
    >closed vents and cover the back a bit more and have built in ear muffs. Are
    >they just overbuilt bike hemets or are they designed for ski-specific
    >crashes?


    Compare Snell's bicycle helmet standard:
    http://www.smf.org/standards/b/b95std.html

    to their ski helmet standard,
    http://www.smf.org/standards/ski/s98std.html

    What little difference there is is in the sight lines. They're both
    designed to be replace after one impact.
    --
    zk
     
  5. Eric Babula

    Eric Babula Guest

    "DOOH" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Hi,
    >
    > Went out on an hour long road ride today in what is probably the
    > chilliest ride of the year for me so far. As I'm fairly new to new
    > england, I'm having trouble keeping my head warm when its below
    > 25f.
    >
    > Feet, fingers and body all OK but wearing a helmet (which I feel is
    > essential for as accident prone as I am) with the straps done up
    > correctly is really difficult if I want to pile on the gear under
    > it. I'm currently using a large helmet to accomodate the extra
    > layers while in the summer I normally have a medium. Its a good fit
    > and is snug and I feel safe but I really need something warmer.
    >
    > Here's what I currently wear:
    >
    > Gortex helmet cover
    > Bell Helmet
    > Thinsilate Hat (normal ski type cap, kinda thick)
    > Specialised Skull cap (about the thickness of armwarmers)
    > Clear glasses
    > Scarf wrapped around neck, tucked into collar of jacket
    >
    > I can put all that on but it only feels warm down to about 25f. I
    > was out today in temps cooler with a bit of wind and just standing
    > around was chilly let alone riding downhill at 30mph.
    >
    > I have some great hats when I'm out sking and such but I get
    > nervous without a helmet. Anyone ever ride with a ski helmet on,
    > they look like they have closed vents and cover the back a bit more
    > and have built in ear muffs. Are they just overbuilt bike hemets or
    > are they designed for ski-specific crashes?
    >
    > What about ski goggles. Anyone ever ride with them? My Oakley
    > M-frames do a good job but tend to fog up quite a bit when I tuck
    > my face down into my scarf.
    >
    > Any advice from any cold weather warriors? Surely someone from
    > Alaska or Nebraska or other chilly climes must wear a helmet and
    > still be able to stay warm...
    >
    >


    I'm not one for all the cycling-specific gear. Instead, I bought a
    simple balaclava from Walmart. Fits under my helmet ok, and covers my
    head, neck and face. I wear goggles in the winter months (I think
    they're called VisorGogs). They only fog up when I stop, but, if I pull
    them away from my face a little during the stops, they're ok.

    This combo has worked for me in 0F temps (-7F wind chill), with no
    problems of being cold at all.

    YMMV,

    --
    Eric Babula
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA
     
  6. Pat Lamb

    Pat Lamb Guest

    DOOH wrote:
    > Hi,
    >
    > Went out on an hour long road ride today in what is probably the chilliest
    > ride of the year for me so far. As I'm fairly new to new england, I'm having
    > trouble keeping my head warm when its below 25f.
    >
    > Feet, fingers and body all OK but wearing a helmet (which I feel is
    > essential for as accident prone as I am) with the straps done up correctly
    > is really difficult if I want to pile on the gear under it. I'm currently
    > using a large helmet to accomodate the extra layers while in the summer I
    > normally have a medium. Its a good fit and is snug and I feel safe but I
    > really need something warmer.
    >
    > Here's what I currently wear:
    >
    > Gortex helmet cover
    > Bell Helmet
    > Thinsilate Hat (normal ski type cap, kinda thick)
    > Specialised Skull cap (about the thickness of armwarmers)
    > Clear glasses
    > Scarf wrapped around neck, tucked into collar of jacket
    >
    > I can put all that on but it only feels warm down to about 25f. I was out
    > today in temps cooler with a bit of wind and just standing around was chilly
    > let alone riding downhill at 30mph.
    >
    >
    > Any advice from any cold weather warriors? Surely someone from Alaska or
    > Nebraska or other chilly climes must wear a helmet and still be able to stay
    > warm...


    First, check out the icebike site (www.icebike.org) for more hints.

    On to the rest. I use a thin balaclava, probably like your skull cap.
    It fits comfortably under my helmet. That's all I need on my head and
    neck; face exposure depends on wind and speed, as I can raise or lower
    the bottom of the face opening. I go to my heaviest tights below about
    30 -- are yours thick enough? Add in a pile layer and a wind layer on
    the torso, shoe covers, and lobster claw gloves, and I'm good to go.

    It's hard to recommend what else to change without knowing the rest of
    your kit.

    Pat
     
  7. "DOOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Hi,
    >
    > Went out on an hour long road ride today in what is probably the chilliest
    > ride of the year for me so far. As I'm fairly new to new england, I'm
    > having trouble keeping my head warm when its below 25f.
    >
    > Feet, fingers and body all OK but wearing a helmet (which I feel is
    > essential for as accident prone as I am) with the straps done up correctly
    > is really difficult if I want to pile on the gear under it. I'm currently
    > using a large helmet to accomodate the extra layers while in the summer I
    > normally have a medium. Its a good fit and is snug and I feel safe but I
    > really need something warmer.
    >
    > Here's what I currently wear:
    >
    > Gortex helmet cover
    > Bell Helmet
    > Thinsilate Hat (normal ski type cap, kinda thick)
    > Specialised Skull cap (about the thickness of armwarmers)
    > Clear glasses
    > Scarf wrapped around neck, tucked into collar of jacket
    >
    > I can put all that on but it only feels warm down to about 25f. I was out
    > today in temps cooler with a bit of wind and just standing around was
    > chilly let alone riding downhill at 30mph.
    >
    > I have some great hats when I'm out sking and such but I get nervous
    > without a helmet. Anyone ever ride with a ski helmet on, they look like
    > they have closed vents and cover the back a bit more and have built in ear
    > muffs. Are they just overbuilt bike hemets or are they designed for
    > ski-specific crashes?
    >
    > What about ski goggles. Anyone ever ride with them? My Oakley M-frames do
    > a good job but tend to fog up quite a bit when I tuck my face down into my
    > scarf.
    >
    > Any advice from any cold weather warriors? Surely someone from Alaska or
    > Nebraska or other chilly climes must wear a helmet and still be able to
    > stay warm...

    Here's another vote for the "thin balaclava" solution, I use it below 15
    degrees F. I bought mine at my LBS; it carries a TREK brand.
     
  8. Roy Zipris

    Roy Zipris Guest

    I've got two balaclavas, one light-weight and one medium-weight, both
    some kind of poly, I guess, not fleece. A friend wears a silk
    balaclava. We've been out in temperatures as low as 7 degrees and we
    routinely ride in the teens with no need for additional headgear here
    in SE Pennsylvania.

    There are a number of reasonably-priced catalog sources, so there's no
    need to pay for cycling-specific (and over-priced) names. Try Sierra
    Trading, Cabela's, Campmor... Regards, Roy Zipris
     
  9. H M Leary

    H M Leary Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Roy Zipris" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I've got two balaclavas, one light-weight and one medium-weight, both
    > some kind of poly, I guess, not fleece. A friend wears a silk
    > balaclava. We've been out in temperatures as low as 7 degrees and we
    > routinely ride in the teens with no need for additional headgear here
    > in SE Pennsylvania.
    >
    > There are a number of reasonably-priced catalog sources, so there's no
    > need to pay for cycling-specific (and over-priced) names. Try Sierra
    > Trading, Cabela's, Campmor... Regards, Roy Zipris


    Here in SE Pennsylvania ther are more Hummers and cadillac Escalede ESVs
    than almost anywhere.

    Who say GM is in bankruptcy???

    I have a PI balaclava that goes under the H**mut and a gore tex cover
    over the H.

    I may look like a fully gorged tick in my winter get up, but I am warm.

    The older I get, the warmer I like it!

    HAND
     
  10. SMS

    SMS Guest

    DOOH wrote:

    > I have some great hats when I'm out sking and such but I get nervous without
    > a helmet. Anyone ever ride with a ski helmet on, they look like they have
    > closed vents and cover the back a bit more and have built in ear muffs. Are
    > they just overbuilt bike hemets or are they designed for ski-specific
    > crashes?


    You can compare the Snell standards for bicycle helmets versus ski
    helmets. The peak acceleration to the headform appears to be the same
    for both. However there are a lot of other aspects of helmets other than
    just the protection from impact.

    See
    http://www.smf.org/standards/ski/s98std.html

    and

    http://www.smf.org/standards/b/b90astd.html

    Bottom line is that it should be just fine. The important thing is that
    at least you're protecting your head, as all the experts advise.
     
  11. gds

    gds Guest

    SMS wrote:
    >
    > Bottom line is that it should be just fine. The important thing is that
    > at least you're protecting your head, as all the experts advise.


    Now it's almost the weekend and you're just spoiling for a fight with
    Guy and Frank.
     
  12. SMS

    SMS Guest

    gds wrote:
    > SMS wrote:
    >> Bottom line is that it should be just fine. The important thing is that
    >> at least you're protecting your head, as all the experts advise.

    >
    > Now it's almost the weekend and you're just spoiling for a fight with
    > Guy and Frank.


    Since I don't see their posts, there will be only be a fight if someone
    is dumb enough to respond to them.
     
  13. Fritz M

    Fritz M Guest

    SMS wrote:

    > Since I don't see their posts, there will be only be a fight if someone
    > is dumb enough to respond to them.


    Gary responded. Are you calling him dumb?

    RFM
     
  14. gds

    gds Guest

    Fritz M wrote:
    > SMS wrote:
    >
    > > Since I don't see their posts, there will be only be a fight if someone
    > > is dumb enough to respond to them.

    >
    > Gary responded. Are you calling him dumb?
    >
    >


    Gosh folks are feisty tonight.
    Well I'm off to go ride.
     
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