colloidial silver

"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I have not asked you any questions.

"Can anyone tell me about colloidial silver. A friend recommended it for
colds- she uses it for her whole family. I read alot of good things

about

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it but some bad and i'd like to know what others think."

You used a period instead of a question mark in the first sentence, but

it

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still looks like a question to me.

Ah, I forgot about that. And she also asked what "others think."

Ah! but you cannot "think", you can only recite.

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> > no. you are wrong and I am finished discussing this subject with

you.

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> oops..another side effect of CS..closed mindedness.
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> Sorry that you cannot re-think a firmly held *belief*.
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> I don't have to defend myself to you or anyone else. CS works for me

and

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that
> is all that counts.

I was not asking you to defend yourself. I noted that you have your

mind

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made up, and that you do not wish to think about anything that may

affect

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your firmly held belief.

Like you have your mind made up.

Wrong. I asked you a gadzillion times for some real proof of th efficacy

if

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CS, and you did not post one scintilla of proof. You did the CS sidestep
(with great skill, I do admit) and avoided responding to my requests.

Provide some decent sceintific proof, not anecdotes, etc. and I will

gladly

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review them, and, if they do prove that CS works in humans as claimed, I
will state that.

My mind is open. Now, open your keyboard and start proving.

science has a long history of being wrong.

"Mark ProbertJanuary 16, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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Sue, doing a google on orac, you will find what kind of "person" it is.

When you can lick Orac's shoes, let me know.

When you can produce proof that you are not missing important genetic
material, let your kids know.

This is the most civil answer yet.
"Kristofer D. Dale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sharita B said:

Can anyone tell me about colloidial silver. A friend recommended it for

I don't think it is a good idea, and neither does this biochemist:

http://www.VitaleTherapeutics.org/vtlmntox.htm

--
_o Kristofer Dale,
_ \<,_ ragged individualist,
_____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

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JXBrown said:

Sharita B said:

Ok so I did lose the old messages - can we do this again? I'm sorry - I
hope
you don't mind giving me a rundown of the pros and cons. I just read that
it's good for pinkeye?? really -

My goodness, I haven't looked at m.h.a for nearly two years. I pop open a
newsreader and practically the first subject I see is colloidal silver. It
just won't go away will it?

Nope. But it's partly your timing -- there hadn't been much mention
of CS for quite some time until the last week or so.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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> Can anyone tell me about colloidial silver. A friend recommended it

for

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> colds- she uses it for her whole family. I read alot of good things

about

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> it but some bad and i'd like to know what others think.
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http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose1.html

The website says it was prescribed by her doctor, not
by some altie!

In the 1950's. A lot of things have chnged in the last 50 years.

It would appear so. Apparently, accepting ones' mistakes
was considered the right thing to do, back then.

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It appears to
be your choice and decision to form beliefs based on emotions and a view
of
the world as you wish it to be, without seeking the immutable truths of
nature.

Very typical of too many people who post here in favor of alternative
medicine, I'm afraid.

I have not asked you any questions.

Totally irrelevant. This is Usenet. Anyone can jump into any thread they
wish at any time they feel like it. I felt like jumping into this one.
{xss}
and others may choose to killfile or totally ignore your posts.Thats USENET
🙂

I remind you that you're the one who got upset and berated me by saying
that you didn't aske me any questions. So go right ahead. Killfile me or
ignore me. Nothing's stopping you.

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{orac}
Whether you like it or not concerns me not in the least. You, of course,
are free to jump into any thread you wish as well.

{xss} you seem to have some issues which likely belong on alt.mental health
where you can get some help for what ails you.

<YAWN>

Really now, that's a really lame attempt at a comeback. Surely you can
do better than that?

Maybe not.

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| inconvenience me with questions?"

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"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"XSweetSue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I have not asked you any questions.
>

"Can anyone tell me about colloidial silver. A friend recommended it for
colds- she uses it for her whole family. I read alot of good things

about

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it but some bad and i'd like to know what others think."

You used a period instead of a question mark in the first sentence, but

it

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still looks like a question to me.

Ah, I forgot about that. And she also asked what "others think."

Ah! but you cannot "think", you can only recite.

Says the person who is unable or unwilling to back up any of his
assertions with actual evidence or logic.

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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Wrong. I asked you a gadzillion times for some real proof of th efficacy if
CS, and you did not post one scintilla of proof. You did the CS sidestep
(with great skill, I do admit) and avoided responding to my requests.

Provide some decent sceintific proof, not anecdotes, etc. and I will gladly
review them, and, if they do prove that CS works in humans as claimed, I
will state that.

My mind is open. Now, open your keyboard and start proving.

your mind hardly seems open to me. I would suggest trying this: drill
hole in brain. flush out debris with collodial silver. post back and
tell me how open minded you are now 😉

I would suggest this to you: If you want to be taken seriously, to be
viewed as anything more than a crank, start backing up your opinions
with some evidence and logic, rather than emotion and juvenile-sounding
insults.

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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 16, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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My mind is open. Now, open your keyboard and start proving.

science has a long history of being wrong.

But unlike alties, science also has a long history of eventually
correcting its errors when new evidence or experimentation shows they
are incorrect.

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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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To do research you would need to use it or monitor people who were
using it. You, nor your tiny group of losers do not do research.

Where's your evidence that you've done any? [silence follows]

Dear Mr. Wright? I have used it and I have monitored other people using it.
Though I would not share the info with you. You will try to convince
yourself that my research is faulty or non existent, but the real reason I
would not share with you and a few others is .... I do not like you, and
would not [censored] on you if you were on fire.

ROTLFMAO! No, the real reason you won't share is either that (1) you
know you have no such evidence or (2) that you have never done any sort
of "research" about its effects or (3) a combination of (1) and (2).

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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 16, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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Sue, doing a google on orac, you will find what kind of "person" it

is.

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When you can lick Orac's shoes, let me know.

When you can produce proof that you are not missing important genetic
material, let your kids know.

Ouch. I was hit by a slow-speed gnat.

MDD, (*M*ore *D*irty *D*iapers?) please do not post your personal
information.

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Like you have your mind made up.

Wrong. I asked you a gadzillion times for some real proof of th efficacy

if

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CS, and you did not post one scintilla of proof. You did the CS sidestep
(with great skill, I do admit) and avoided responding to my requests.

Provide some decent sceintific proof, not anecdotes, etc. and I will

gladly

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review them, and, if they do prove that CS works in humans as claimed, I
will state that.

My mind is open. Now, open your keyboard and start proving.

your mind hardly seems open to me. I would suggest trying this:
drill hole in brain. flush out debris with collodial silver. post back and

tell

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me how
open minded you are now 😉

Sadly, you and MDD have lived in a clueless envrionment far too long.

BTW, I do acknowledge that both you and MDD have 3rd degree open minds. That
is the condition where the mind was so open, the brain fell out.

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 16, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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"Mark ProbertJanuary 15, 2004" <[email hidden]>

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> > > no. you are wrong and I am finished discussing this subject with

you.

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> > > <click>
> >
> > oops..another side effect of CS..closed mindedness.
> >
> > Sorry that you cannot re-think a firmly held *belief*.
> >
> >
> > I don't have to defend myself to you or anyone else. CS works for

me

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and

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> that
> > is all that counts.
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> I was not asking you to defend yourself. I noted that you have your

mind

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> made up, and that you do not wish to think about anything that may

affect

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> your firmly held belief.
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Like you have your mind made up.

Wrong. I asked you a gadzillion times for some real proof of th efficacy

if

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CS, and you did not post one scintilla of proof. You did the CS sidestep
(with great skill, I do admit) and avoided responding to my requests.

Provide some decent sceintific proof, not anecdotes, etc. and I will

gladly

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review them, and, if they do prove that CS works in humans as claimed, I
will state that.

My mind is open. Now, open your keyboard and start proving.

science has a long history of being wrong.

You have no history of being right. Provide some real proof.

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This is the most civil answer yet.

You were treated civilly, but chose to become childish on your own.

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"Kristofer D. Dale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sharita B said:

Can anyone tell me about colloidial silver. A friend recommended it

for

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I don't think it is a good idea, and neither does this biochemist:

http://www.VitaleTherapeutics.org/vtlmntox.htm

--
_o Kristofer Dale,
_ \<,_ ragged individualist,
_____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 16, 2004" <[email hidden]>

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This is the most civil answer yet.

You were treated civilly, but chose to become childish on your own.

"mdd" apparently confuses legitimate challenges to his assertions and
requests for evidence to support them with incivility.

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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 16, 2004" <[email hidden]>

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 16, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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My mind is open. Now, open your keyboard and start proving.

science has a long history of being wrong.

You have no history of being right. Provide some real proof.

Indeed. And, unlike mdd and his ilk, science has a long history of
admitting and correcting itself when new evidence and experiments reveal
its errors.

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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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"Mark ProbertJanuary 16, 2004" <[email hidden]>

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"XSweetSue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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My mind is open. Now, open your keyboard and start proving.

your mind hardly seems open to me. I would suggest trying this:
drill hole in brain. flush out debris with collodial silver. post back and

tell

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me how
open minded you are now 😉

Sadly, you and MDD have lived in a clueless envrionment far too long.

BTW, I do acknowledge that both you and MDD have 3rd degree open minds. That
is the condition where the mind was so open, the brain fell out.

Alas, it is a condition all too common among alties. They seem to equate
having an open mind with uncritically accepting all sorts of assertions
that have no evidence or even sound reasoning to support them. Having an
"open mind" does not mean one has to give up one's critical thinking
abilities.

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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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ROTLFMAO! Heh heh heh!

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ROTLFMAO! Heh heh heh!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8632503&dopt=Abstract

From this: "CONCLUSIONS: We emphasize the lack of established effectiveness
and potential toxicity of these products."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=855866&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=529874&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11107524&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12780705&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12839605&dopt=Abstract

If you have data to the contrary, please submit it.