Colon Cleanse Product



"Gymmy Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eek:[email protected]...
> Why would somebody want to go there and watch the quacks
> spout what they know nothing about?

You might notice something there that is lacking in most of
the posts in this newsgroup: references.

So, at least they did their homework. Can you please provide
evidence where the folks at Quackwatch are incorrect?

Thanks.

Jeff
> "George Sugmad" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:230320040833506823%[email protected]...
> > In article
> > <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] (Will) wrote:
> >
> > > I was wondering if anyone knows the answer to this
> > > question. There is a colon cleansing product
> >
> > If you arefull of **** you may need a " colon cleansing
> > product ". But before you decide, go to
> > http://www.quackwatch.com and read the piece on
> > colonics.
 
"Coleah" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:e9%7c.66107$J05.514805@attbi_s01...
>
> "Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:rI2dnW4kM4NDwf3dRVn-
> [email protected]...
> > Why cannot alties disagree honorably and discuss
> > politely? If Bew
believes
> > Jeff's statement to be incorrect, why not say so and
> > present why she believes that colon cleanses have value.
> > Even a valueless anecdote like, "When I use a colon
> > cleanse, I feel better," is preferable to childish mud-
> > slinging like "gratuitous" and "imbecile." Yet Bew and
> > her ilk will accuse us skeptics of "trashing." Sad that.
> >
> > --Rich
> =========================
> You make a good point. Tis' a vicious circle when
> lashing begets
trashing,
> begets lash trashing, begets trash lashing.....on and on.
>
> Back to topic: Some years ago I felt invaded by
> poisoning toxins.

"...felt invaded by poisoning toxins" is a psychiatric
symptom, not a physical one.

> I went to a variety of doctors with assorted complaints
> from chronic diaherra, skin lesions, rashes, dry eyes,
> nose, mouth (zerostoma), glossitis (swollen tongue) and
I
> was tired and hyper-sensitive to irritating noises (truly
> to the point of being obnoxious).

These are just the sort of vague complaints that are classic
for somatization syndrome. Please don't jump onto the
defensive; I am not calling you crazy or being
unsympathetic. SS is an illness as much as pneumonia, and is
a tragic one, because it is difficult to treat.

> Some ladies recommended colon cleansing. It sounded
> strange to me.

Yes, it's strange.

> I read about it on different websites to get a sense of
> what one might expect from the procedure. Then I went to
> the health food department and purchased what I needed and
> followed the recommended diet.
I
> remember remarking to a friend who had never tried it
> before how much
better
> I felt afterward, but that it was short lived. Her remark
> was that
perhaps
> I needed to do it again every so often. I never did
> however.

Good for you.

>
> I changed work environments and got away from ink vapors
> in the air. I
quit
> smoking.

Quitting smoking is the best thing you have ever done for
your health.

> Tried more diet changes, vitamins, minerals...you name it.
> Still I felt my whole body was poisoned and falling apart.
>
> I was treated for chronic fatigue syndrome and given
> Zoloft to help me get proper rest, which took care of the
> intolerance to irritating noises. I
was
> treated for an auto immune condition called Lichen Planus,
> which took car
of
> the dry mouth, treated with anti-fungal medication for
> canadiasis which helped some of the lesions disappear,
> treated with antibiotics which
helped
> other lesions, lost most of my full mouth of crowned and
> beautiful teeth
due
> to dry mouth condition which aided fast spreading
> decay, had an
adult-onset
> asthma attack that almost killed me and put me in the
> hospital for 4 days, had sinsus surgery to open badly
> blocked nasal passages, took allergy
shots
> for allergies to mold, dust mites, grass. I stopped taking
> multi-vitamins and the diaherra all but disappeared.
>
> I'm not certain what caused all this to hit me at once. It
> all started right after I had a silicone breast implant
> rupture, though no one has
ever
> verified that a reaction to internal silicone was a factor
> in setting off all the varying situations that hit me like
> a ton of bricks.
>
> So, getting back to the colon cleansing procedure. Yes, it
> did make me
feel
> energized and more 'normal'. Would routine procedures
> alone, done every month or two, have cleared my system of
> all the stuff going on? Unknown.

Known. NO!

> Perhaps in combination with medications it may have
> enhanced healing? Unknown. But for a brief period in time
> I did feel better 'all over' from the colon cleansing
> procedure.

You would have felt better all over from a witch doctor
shaking a rattle at you if you believed in him.

Coleah, your problems were never from "poisons" in your
colon. Colons do not need "cleansing." There are colon
diseases, of course, but they are all made worse, not better
by purging. Almost none of them are caused by "poisons." The
only exceptions I can think of are cholera, which is an
infection in which the worst of the symptoms are caused by a
toxin released by the infectious bacteria, and the many
plant substances that are purgative. Nothing stays in your
colon day-to-day to poison you, and nothing that poisons you
can be washed out by a "cleanse."

--Rich
 
In sci.med.nutrition Kim <[email protected]> wrote or quoted:
> "Orac" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> > With a healthy diet, the colon cleans itself and
> > maintains its own health.
>
> Just as nature (or god) intended. :) What can be more
> UNNATURAL than a colon cleanse?

In ancient times the practice was known as "Basti".

...and of course animals squirt water into their colons from
their mouths:

``If you stand long and still enough near rivers, lakes and
ponds where herons and similar long-beaked birds fish and
feed, you will notice a curious habit.

From time to time, a heron will suck up a beak full of
water, twist its neck around and insert the beak into its
own anus, squirting the water deep into its bowels to
flush out the putrid debris and other residue from its fish-
based diet.

Who taught these birds to do that? Nature did... and a
Taoist respects no teacher more than nature.''

- http://www.hps-online.com/colon/bcc3.htm

Also, you sceptics should check out this little fella:

http://www.shazzie.com/raw/articles/mucoid.shtml

If anyone can identify him I'd love to hear about it!
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In sci.med.nutrition Jeff <[email protected]> wrote or quoted:
> "Gymmy Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:

[http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/ga-
stro.html]

> > Why would somebody want to go there and watch the quacks
> > spout what they know nothing about?
>
> You might notice something there that is lacking in most
> of the posts in this newsgroup: references.
>
> So, at least they did their homework. Can you please
> provide evidence where the folks at Quackwatch are
> incorrect?

For starters...

Barrett says that there's "no evidence that hardened feces
accumulate on the intestinal walls"

...and yet there are *hundreds* of studies on MedLine about
"fecal impaction". A sample:

``Fecal impaction: a fatal cause of cardiac tamponade?

``Fecal impaction has been an instigator of various
morbidities and mortalities.''

- http://calorierestriction.org/pmid/?n=14972239

``Fecal impaction: a cause of isolated small bowel
dilatation on abdominal radiographs''

- http://calorierestriction.org/pmid/?n=11673007

``Faecal impaction: older people's experiences and nursing
practice''

- http://calorierestriction.org/pmid/?n=11904547

A study in rabbits showing fecal impaction:

http://calorierestriction.org/pmid/?n=3437752

``Diagnosis and treatment of chronic recurrent caecal
impaction''

- http://calorierestriction.org/pmid/?n=11202386

``Observation of impacted fecal stones''

- http://calorierestriction.org/pmid/?n=12378923

Barrett says the auto-intoxication theory is proven wrong -
and yet there's an extensive medical literature on gut
dysbiosis on MedLine.

...and Barrett criticises fasting - when there's an
extensive literature showing health benefits from
regular fasting.
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"Will" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I was wondering if anyone knows the answer to this
> question. There is a colon cleansing product . . .

I challenge anyone to come up with a single report of a
"poison" that has been found in the human colon AND been
shown to be removed by a "cleanse." Also, I challenge anyone
to produce any example of a "waste product" "building up" in
the human colon, excluding simple constipation, bowel
obstruction, and diverticulosis (three medical conditions
that can NOT be effectively treated with "cleanse" purges
with the possible exception of constipation which can be
treated far more safely with gentler methods.)

The threats of "toxins" and "waste product buildup" are
advertising hype designed to prey on the paranoid fears of
people who have a self loathing about dirty **** being in
and coming from their own bodies. It is not about "natural,"
but an un-natural disgust of the actually-natural bodily
functions.

It is a well established fact that the regular use of
laxatives is damaging to colon health. "Cleanses" are
laxatives in the extreme, and to use them to purge non-
existent "toxins" and "waste buildups" is an unhealthy, self-
destructive practice.

Now for a little paranoia of my own...I suspect that "Will,"
who is not a regular MHA poster, is really a spammer for
"Doctors Health Supply" and "Oxypowder" which he
conveniently "found" on his own, and posted the commercial
URLs. Does anyone else here share my suspicions?

--Rich
 
"Tim Tyler" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> In sci.med.nutrition Jeff <[email protected]> wrote
> or quoted:
> > "Gymmy Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> [http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/gast-
> ro.html]
>
> > > Why would somebody want to go there and watch the
> > > quacks spout what
they
> > > know nothing about?
> >
> > You might notice something there that is lacking in most
> > of the posts in this newsgroup: references.
> >
> > So, at least they did their homework. Can you please
> > provide evidence
where
> > the folks at Quackwatch are incorrect?
>
> For starters...
>
> Barrett says that there's "no evidence that hardened feces
> accumulate on the intestinal walls"
>

Dr. Barrett is correct. Fecal impaction is NOT an
accumulation of hardened feces on the intestinal walls;
it is a severe form of constipation. While the impacted
stool may be "hardened," it does not adhere to the wall
of the colon, and is not something left behind after
evacuation of the bowel. To attempt a purgative
"cleanse" while fecally impacted would be harmful, and
possibly fatal. What's more, fecal impaction is often
the RESULT of the misuse of laxatives and enemas.

Ds. Barrett's essay at:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/gastro.ht-
ml

(http://tinyurl.com/2v6bc)

is insightful, thorough, and truthful, and only the
most rabid anti-science, anti-medicine nuts would find
fault with it.

Do your colon and your health a favor and avoid "cleanses,"
purges, laxatives, and enemas altogether. Eat a balanced,
varied diet which includes plenty of fiber and water, and
move your bowels when your body tells you it needs to, and
stop worrying about "toxins" and ****.

Oh, and never get your health advice from a website that has
credit card symbols on its homepage.

--Rich
 
"Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Tim Tyler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > In sci.med.nutrition Jeff <[email protected]>
> > wrote or quoted:
> > > "Gymmy Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > [http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/gast-
> > ro.html]
> >
> > > > Why would somebody want to go there and watch the
> > > > quacks spout what
> they
> > > > know nothing about?
> > >
> > > You might notice something there that is lacking in
> > > most of the posts
in
> > > this newsgroup: references.
> > >
> > > So, at least they did their homework. Can you please
> > > provide evidence
> where
> > > the folks at Quackwatch are incorrect?
> >
> > For starters...
> >
> > Barrett says that there's "no evidence that hardened
> > feces accumulate on the intestinal walls"
> >
>
> Dr. Barrett is correct. Fecal impaction is NOT an
> accumulation of hardened feces on the intestinal
> walls; it is a severe form of constipation. While the
> impacted stool may be "hardened," it does not adhere
> to the wall of
the
> colon, and is not something left behind after evacuation
> of the bowel. To attempt a purgative "cleanse" while
> fecally impacted would be harmful, and possibly fatal.
> What's more, fecal impaction is often the RESULT of the
> misuse of laxatives and enemas.
>
> Dr. Barrett's essay at:
>
> http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/gas-
> tro.html
>
> (http://tinyurl.com/2v6bc)
>
> is insightful, thorough, and truthful, and only the
> most rabid
anti-science,
> anti-medicine nuts would find fault with it.
>
> Do your colon and your health a favor and avoid
> "cleanses," purges, laxatives, and enemas altogether. Eat
> a balanced, varied diet which
includes
> plenty of fiber and water, and move your bowels when your
> body tells you
it
> needs to, and stop worrying about "toxins" and ****.

Thanks, Hawki, I forgot "exercise regularly."

>
> Oh, and never get your health advice from a website that
> has credit card symbols on its homepage.
>
> --Rich
>
 
"Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Now for a little paranoia of my own...I suspect that
> "Will," who is not a regular MHA poster, is really a
> spammer for "Doctors Health Supply" and "Oxypowder" which
> he conveniently "found" on his own, and posted the
> commercial URLs. Does anyone else here share my
> suspicions?
=====================
Yes! ;-)
--
Kim The most amazing BS artists there are:
http://members.rogers.com/kirkkolas/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
"Tim Tyler" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> In sci.med.nutrition Kim <[email protected]> wrote
> or quoted:
> > Just as nature (or god) intended. :) What can be more
> > UNNATURAL than
a
> > colon cleanse?
>
> In ancient times the practice was known as "Basti".

Because it's ancient doesn't mean it's natural. People
believed in any number of things in the ancient past.

> ...and of course animals squirt water into their colons
> from their mouths:

Since when?

> ``If you stand long and still enough near rivers, lakes
> and ponds where herons and similar long-beaked birds fish
> and feed, you will notice a curious habit.

I LIVED by the water all my life and still do! In fact we
have several ponds on our property.

> From time to time, a heron will suck up a beak full of
> water, twist its neck around and insert the beak into
> its own anus, squirting the water deep into its bowels
> to flush out the putrid debris and other residue from
> its fish-based diet.

This is total BS! We have herons, ducks, cranes and gulls
here and I see them all the time. You're listening to pure
nonsense. No animal or bird gives itself an enema.
--
Kim The most amazing BS artists there are:
http://members.rogers.com/kirkkolas/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
In article <[email protected]>, Tim Tyler <[email protected]> wrote:

> In sci.med.nutrition Jeff <[email protected]> wrote
> or quoted:
> > "Gymmy Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> [http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/gast-
> ro.html]
>
> > > Why would somebody want to go there and watch the
> > > quacks spout what they know nothing about?
> >
> > You might notice something there that is lacking in most
> > of the posts in this newsgroup: references.
> >
> > So, at least they did their homework. Can you please
> > provide evidence where the folks at Quackwatch are
> > incorrect?
>
> For starters...
>
> Barrett says that there's "no evidence that hardened feces
> accumulate on the intestinal walls"
>
> ...and yet there are *hundreds* of studies on MedLine
> about "fecal impaction".

You clearly have no clue what fecal impaction is. Fecal
impaction is not "hardened feces accumulating on the
intestinal walls." It is a condition when hardened feces
passing through the colon get stuck and result in a
colonic obstruction. Usually the feces behind the
obstruction are liquid. The feces in general do not
"accumulate on the intestinal walls." Fecal impaction is
usually the result of decreased colon motility, as can be
seen in bedridden patients.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"
 
Sounds like the same troll no matter how many times I read
it.

"Orac" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:eek:rac-
[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Tim Tyler
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > In sci.med.nutrition Jeff <[email protected]>
> > wrote or quoted:
> > > "Gymmy Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > [http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/gast-
> > ro.html]
> >
> > > > Why would somebody want to go there and watch the
> > > > quacks spout what
they
> > > > know nothing about?
> > >
> > > You might notice something there that is lacking in
> > > most of the posts
in
> > > this newsgroup: references.
> > >
> > > So, at least they did their homework. Can you please
> > > provide evidence
where
> > > the folks at Quackwatch are incorrect?
> >
> > For starters...
> >
> > Barrett says that there's "no evidence that hardened
> > feces accumulate on the intestinal walls"
> >
> > ...and yet there are *hundreds* of studies on MedLine
> > about "fecal impaction".
>
> You clearly have no clue what fecal impaction is. Fecal
> impaction is not "hardened feces accumulating on the
> intestinal walls." It is a condition when hardened feces
> passing through the colon get stuck and result in a
> colonic obstruction. Usually the feces behind the
> obstruction are liquid. The feces in general do not
> "accumulate on the intestinal walls." Fecal impaction is
> usually the result of decreased colon motility, as can be
> seen in bedridden patients.
>
> --
> Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
> |
> |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
> |you inconvenience me with questions?"
 
"Pizza Girl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sounds like the same troll no matter how many times I
> read it.
>
> "Orac" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:eek:rac-
> [email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>, Tim Tyler
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > In sci.med.nutrition Jeff <[email protected]>
> > > wrote or quoted:
> > > > "Gymmy Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > [http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/ga-
> > > stro.html]
> > >
> > > > > Why would somebody want to go there and watch the
> > > > > quacks spout
what
> they
> > > > > know nothing about?
> > > >
> > > > You might notice something there that is lacking in
> > > > most of the
posts
> in
> > > > this newsgroup: references.
> > > >
> > > > So, at least they did their homework. Can you please
> > > > provide
evidence
> where
> > > > the folks at Quackwatch are incorrect?
> > >
> > > For starters...
> > >
> > > Barrett says that there's "no evidence that hardened
> > > feces accumulate on the intestinal walls"
> > >
> > > ...and yet there are *hundreds* of studies on MedLine
> > > about "fecal impaction".
> >
> > You clearly have no clue what fecal impaction is. Fecal
> > impaction is not "hardened feces accumulating on the
> > intestinal walls." It is a condition when hardened feces
> > passing through the colon get stuck and result in a
> > colonic obstruction. Usually the feces behind the
> > obstruction are liquid. The feces in general do not
> > "accumulate on the intestinal walls." Fecal impaction is
> > usually the result of decreased colon motility, as can
> > be seen in bedridden patients.
> >
> > --
> > Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
> > |
> > |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why
> > |do you inconvenience me with questions?"
>
>

Okay, Miss Pepperoni, there are four posts quoted here. Just
which poster are you calling a "troll"? Top posting is
considered bad manners in newsgroups specifically because it
causes confusion like this. Please put your comments just
AFTER the post or portion of a post that you are trying to
comment on, or at the very end.

Also, discussion of points of disagreement is more useful
here than schoolyard name calling. And as name calling goes,
"troll" is pretty lame. Try again; you can do better.

--Rich
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Kim <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Tim Tyler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In sci.med.nutrition Kim <[email protected]>
>> wrote or quoted:
>> > Just as nature (or god) intended. :) What can be more
>> > UNNATURAL than
>a
>> > colon cleanse?
>>
>> In ancient times the practice was known as "Basti".
>
>Because it's ancient doesn't mean it's natural. People
>believed in any number of things in the ancient past.
>
>> ...and of course animals squirt water into their colons
>> from their mouths:
>
>Since when?
>
>> ``If you stand long and still enough near rivers, lakes
>> and ponds where herons and similar long-beaked birds fish
>> and feed, you will notice a curious habit.
>
>I LIVED by the water all my life and still do! In fact we
>have several ponds on our property.
>
>> From time to time, a heron will suck up a beak full of
>> water, twist its neck around and insert the beak into
>> its own anus, squirting the water deep into its bowels
>> to flush out the putrid debris and other residue from
>> its fish-based diet.
>
>This is total BS! We have herons, ducks, cranes and gulls
>here and I see them all the time. You're listening to pure
>nonsense. No animal or bird gives itself an enema.

I'd never heard of that one either. But even if they did
do it, that doesn't mean humans should. We're not birds,
our digestive systems are decidedly different, and so are
our diets.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
 
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:16:37 +0800, "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> posted:

>My guess is that if he wanted some gratuitous advice from
>an imbecile he would have asked you directly .

Someone shining a light on your ethics? Or is it stupidity?

>"Jeff Utz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Will" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > I was wondering if anyone knows the answer to this
>> > question. There is a colon cleansing product called
>> > Colokolytics or Colokolysis (spelling?) that I am
>> > trying desperately to remember. I have spent literally
>> > hours on Google trying to find it again. My hard drive
>> > crashed, and I lost all my links.
>>
>> The answer: back up your hard drive.
>>
>> > If you know this product, PLEASE post the correct
>> > spelling. It is formulated for wholistic health care
>> > professionals. It comes in two formulas. One strong,
>> > the other weaker for regular use. Some of the
>> > ingredients are ayurvedic. Also, the name may have a
>> > hyphen in it. I just can't remember! But it's similar
>> > to Colokolytics. This is one of the best products and I
>> > lost track of it!
>> >
>> > PLEASE take thirty seconds to post it if you know.
>>
>> There products are NOT recommended by good doctors. There
>> is no valid science to suggest that the products do
>> anything to really help you (although they do help
>> Proctor and Gamble, the makers of Charman toilet paper).
>>
>> Their use is not based on any valid reason.
>>
>> Avoid them.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>
 
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:10:27 -0500, "Gymmy Bob" <[email protected]>
posted:

>Why would somebody want to go there and watch the quacks
>spout what they know nothing about?

When you can stay here and get much the same thing :)

>
>"George Sugmad" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:230320040833506823%[email protected]...
>> In article
>> <[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] (Will) wrote:
>>
>> > I was wondering if anyone knows the answer to this
>> > question. There is a colon cleansing product
>>
>> If you arefull of **** you may need a " colon cleansing
>> product ". But before you decide, go to
>> http://www.quackwatch.com and read the piece on colonics.
 
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:09:34 -0500, "Gymmy Bob" <[email protected]>
posted:

>Some of these multivitamin supplements make most of us
>very sick but it is so slow coming on we don't notice it
>but we all seem to notice the improvement when we stop
>taking them.
>
>Most multi-vitamins are **** from the few dozen I have
>tried. The individual ones can be much better but it takes
>handfuls to get some balance.

Don't you eat a reasonable diet?

>
>"Coleah" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:e9%7c.66107$J05.514805@attbi_s01...
>>
>> "Rich Garbagemaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > Why cannot alties disagree honorably and discuss
>> > politely? If Bew
>believes
>> > Jeff's statement to be incorrect, why not say so and
>> > present why she believes that colon cleanses have
>> > value. Even a valueless anecdote like, "When I use a
>> > colon cleanse, I feel better," is preferable to
>> > childish mud-slinging like "gratuitous" and "imbecile."
>> > Yet Bew and her ilk will accuse us skeptics of
>> > "trashing." Sad that.
>> >
>> > --Rich
>> =========================
>> You make a good point. Tis' a vicious circle when
>> lashing begets
>trashing,
>> begets lash trashing, begets trash lashing.....on and on.
>>
>> Back to topic: Some years ago I felt invaded by poisoning
>> toxins. I went to a variety of doctors with assorted
>> complaints from chronic diaherra, skin lesions, rashes,
>> dry eyes, nose, mouth (zerostoma), glossitis (swollen
>> tongue) and
>I
>> was tired and hyper-sensitive to irritating noises (truly
>> to the point of being obnoxious). Some ladies recommended
>> colon cleansing. It sounded strange to me. I read about
>> it on different websites to get a sense of
>what
>> one might expect from the procedure. Then I went to the
>> health food department and purchased what I needed and
>> followed the recommended diet.
>I
>> remember remarking to a friend who had never tried it
>> before how much
>better
>> I felt afterward, but that it was short lived. Her remark
>> was that
>perhaps
>> I needed to do it again every so often. I never did
>> however.
>>
>> I changed work environments and got away from ink vapors
>> in the air. I
>quit
>> smoking. Tried more diet changes, vitamins,
>> minerals...you name it.
>Still
>> I felt my whole body was poisoned and falling apart.
>>
>> I was treated for chronic fatigue syndrome and given
>> Zoloft to help me get proper rest, which took care of the
>> intolerance to irritating noises. I
>was
>> treated for an auto immune condition called Lichen
>> Planus, which took car
>of
>> the dry mouth, treated with anti-fungal medication for
>> canadiasis which helped some of the lesions disappear,
>> treated with antibiotics which
>helped
>> other lesions, lost most of my full mouth of crowned and
>> beautiful teeth
>due
>> to dry mouth condition which aided fast spreading
>> decay, had an
>adult-onset
>> asthma attack that almost killed me and put me in the
>> hospital for 4 days, had sinsus surgery to open badly
>> blocked nasal passages, took allergy
>shots
>> for allergies to mold, dust mites, grass. I stopped
>> taking multi-vitamins and the diaherra all but
>> disappeared.
>>
>> I'm not certain what caused all this to hit me at once.
>> It all started right after I had a silicone breast
>> implant rupture, though no one has
>ever
>> verified that a reaction to internal silicone was a
>> factor in setting off all the varying situations that hit
>> me like a ton of bricks.
>>
>> So, getting back to the colon cleansing procedure. Yes,
>> it did make me
>feel
>> energized and more 'normal'. Would routine procedures
>> alone, done every month or two, have cleared my system of
>> all the stuff going on? Unknown. Perhaps in combination
>> with medications it may have enhanced healing? Unknown.
>> But for a brief period in time I did feel better 'all
>> over' from the colon cleansing procedure.
>>
>> My 2 cents worth, Coleah
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
 
In sci.med.nutrition Rich Shewmaker <[email protected]> wrote or quoted:

> I challenge anyone to come up with a single report of a
> "poison" that has been found in the human colon AND been
> shown to be removed by a "cleanse."

A "cleanse" washes out *most* of the material in the colon.

The question of whether there are any undesirable substances
in these seems rather trivial - since the body has
hallmarked the *entire* contents for excretion - and it
inculudes a whole bunch of undesirable substances taken out
of the blood by the liver, and a slew of products of
bacterial fermentation.

Getting rid of them via irrigation is rather like having an
exceptionally good ****. As with a good dump, you often feel
much better for it afterwards.

> Also, I challenge anyone to produce any example of a
> "waste product" "building up" in the human colon,
> excluding simple constipation, bowel obstruction, and
> diverticulosis (three medical conditions that can NOT be
> effectively treated with "cleanse" purges with the
> possible exception of constipation which can be treated
> far more safely with gentler methods.)

Bacteria and parasites. These often like the "stagnant" area
at the bottom of the ascending colon best - and can cause
appendicitis and other problems.

On what grounds are you asserting diverticulosis (and
diverticulitis?) and obstruction cannot be treated by
irrigation?

You are aware of some demonstration of its ineffectiveness -
or are you saying we just don't know?

> It is a well established fact that the regular use of
> laxatives is damaging to colon health. "Cleanses" are
> laxatives in the extreme, and to use them to purge non-
> existent "toxins" and "waste buildups" is an unhealthy,
> self-destructive practice.

Washing your skin every five minutes isn't good for you
either - but it doesn't follow that you should not do
it at all.

Laxatives have to go through your whole digestive system.
They are less of a localised treatment - and have a
different effect.
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In sci.med.nutrition Kim <[email protected]> wrote or quoted:
> "Tim Tyler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...

> > From time to time, a heron will suck up a beak full of
> > water, twist its neck around and insert the beak into
> > its own anus, squirting the water deep into its bowels
> > to flush out the putrid debris and other residue from
> > its fish-based diet.
>
> This is total BS! We have herons, ducks, cranes and gulls
> here and I see them all the time. You're listening to pure
> nonsense. No animal or bird gives itself an enema.

Stick your fingers in your ears and sing the La-La song,
then - since this is well known.

``As a matter of fact, I have seen herons and other
similar birds in Florida stand by a river or pool of
water, fill their long beaks, and inject water into the
rectum in order to give themselves an enema or colon
irrigation. I never asked these birds what school, college
or university they attended or who taught them this
principle of internal lavage.''

- Dr. Norman Walker - in Colon Health: The Key To A
Vibrant Life!

Picture of in Ibis giving itself an enema:

http://www.mnemosyne.org/mia/showillu?id=embmne_bon1551_087
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David Wright <[email protected]> wrote or quoted:

> I'd never heard of that one either. But even if they did
> do it, that doesn't mean humans should. We're not birds,
> our digestive systems are decidedly different, and so are
> our diets.

This is true - of course.

I was addressing the comment:

``What can be more UNNATURAL than a colon cleanse?''

Colonic irrigation is in fact very natural - for some
creatures.
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In sci.med.nutrition Rich Shewmaker <[email protected]> wrote or quoted:
> "Tim Tyler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In sci.med.nutrition Jeff <[email protected]>
> > wrote or quoted:
> > > "Gymmy Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > [http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/gast-
> > ro.html]
> >
> > > > Why would somebody want to go there and watch the
> > > > quacks spout what they know nothing about?
> > >
> > > You might notice something there that is lacking in
> > > most of the posts in this newsgroup: references.
> > >
> > > So, at least they did their homework. Can you please
> > > provide evidence where the folks at Quackwatch are
> > > incorrect?
> >
> > For starters...
> >
> > Barrett says that there's "no evidence that hardened
> > feces accumulate on the intestinal walls"
>
> Dr. Barrett is correct. Fecal impaction is NOT an
> accumulation of hardened feces on the intestinal
> walls; [...]

The feces are certainly hardened, accumulating and static.

> it is a severe form of constipation. While the impacted
> stool may be "hardened," it does not adhere to the wall of
> the colon, and is not something left behind after
> evacuation of the bowel. To attempt a purgative "cleanse"
> while fecally impacted would be harmful, and possibly
> fatal. [...]

*Even* conventional medicine uses enemas to treat the
problem.

Often mineral oil is injected through the rectum, and the
material is then manually manipulated.

Fecal impaction does not arise suddenly. It is normally
preceded by an extended period of constapation - during
which the time of passage of material through the colon is
slowed down - and the fecal material has time to dry out.
Since the problem is partly caused by dehydration, applying
water is an obvious form of first aid.

> What's more, fecal impaction is often the RESULT of the
> misuse of laxatives and enemas.

Fecal impaction is rarely the result of the misuse of
laxatives and enemas.

Here is a list of the most common causes:

``Patients at risk include those who:

* Take certain drugs:
* Any type of narcotic pain medication
* Methadone maintenance treatment for narcotic addiction
* Anticholinergic medications
* Antidiarrheal medications
* Have decreased mobility
* Have a limited diet (especially one that is low in
fluids)''

- http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000230.h-
tm

Note that it is not laxatives that are mostly to blame - but
constapation-inducing drugs - such as opiates and
antidiarrheal medications.
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