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bicycle_disciple

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I speculate this topic may have been beaten to death. I'm lazy to go
over the innumerable archives of RBT, so let me shoot out the
question.

What manufacturing methods are being used in high end components these
days and how do each one affect strength, failure due to fatigue,
stiffness etc? I wonder if cranksets are cast at all in these days
where cnc machining and so on is rampant technology to cut costs. Most
cranksets I read about (Stronglight, Zero Gravity,FSA) talk about CNC
machining and I've also heard some folks who think these methods don't
produce enough strength and durability as forging or casting and so
on. These days theres carbon every here and there, especially in
carbon cranksets, so what kind of manufacturing is done here to make
these parts? I'm not only looking for an answer to high end components
which could be mostly made in-house, but also the ones that people
with an average budget ride everyday, and whose parts are outsourced
to Taiwan, China etc...


-BD
 
Good cranks are always forged, but then there is CNC finishing work
done on the forged blanks...threading, milling the spider lands, etc.

Some Cranks have hollow construction, generally with a forged u-
section outer part, and a flat section welded to the backside.

Sheldon "Grain Matters" Brown
+--------------------------------------------------------------+
| Wherever there is sufficient space for a motor vehicle |
| there must be sufficient space for a bicycle, |
| because the bicycle is smaller. Is that not obviously so? |
| -- John Forester |
+--------------------------------------------------------------+

Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
http://harriscyclery.com
Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com
 
On Jul 27, 3:39 pm, Sheldon Brown <[email protected]> wrote:
> Good cranks are always forged, but then there is CNC finishing work
> done on the forged blanks...threading, milling the spider lands, etc.
>
> Some Cranks have hollow construction, generally with a forged u-
> section outer part, and a flat section welded to the backside.
>
> Sheldon "Grain Matters" Brown
> +--------------------------------------------------------------+
> | Wherever there is sufficient space for a motor vehicle |
> | there must be sufficient space for a bicycle, |
> | because the bicycle is smaller. Is that not obviously so? |
> | -- John Forester |
> +--------------------------------------------------------------+
>
> Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
> Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
> http://harriscyclery.com
> Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwidehttp://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com


any idea what size press (tonnage) they would use for cranks ?
 
bicycle_disciple wrote:
> I speculate this topic may have been beaten to death. I'm lazy to go
> over the innumerable archives of RBT, so let me shoot out the
> question.
>
> What manufacturing methods are being used in high end components these
> days and how do each one affect strength, failure due to fatigue,
> stiffness etc? I wonder if cranksets are cast at all in these days
> where cnc machining and so on is rampant technology to cut costs. Most
> cranksets I read about (Stronglight, Zero Gravity,FSA) talk about CNC
> machining and I've also heard some folks who think these methods don't
> produce enough strength and durability as forging or casting and so
> on. These days theres carbon every here and there, especially in
> carbon cranksets, so what kind of manufacturing is done here to make
> these parts? I'm not only looking for an answer to high end components
> which could be mostly made in-house, but also the ones that people
> with an average budget ride everyday, and whose parts are outsourced
> to Taiwan, China etc...
>
>
> -BD
>


you seem to be confused about how cnc is different from casting or
forging. cnc is simply a machining process that's used for finishing,
not for basic form creation like casting or forging.

briefly, forgings are much better in fatigue than castings. a subset of
casting is thixoforming, which is better than straight casting, but
still not as good as forging. thixoforming is very fashionable with
certain manufacturers like avid.

for fatigue, high quality carbon fiber is best, followed by cold
forging, then hot forging, then thixoforming, with casting a distant
runner-up. carbon that is basically a veneer on top of an aluminum
substrate is debatable.
 
[email protected] wrote:
> On Jul 27, 3:39 pm, Sheldon Brown <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Good cranks are always forged, but then there is CNC finishing work
>> done on the forged blanks...threading, milling the spider lands, etc.
>>
>> Some Cranks have hollow construction, generally with a forged u-
>> section outer part, and a flat section welded to the backside.
>>
>> Sheldon "Grain Matters" Brown
>> +--------------------------------------------------------------+
>> | Wherever there is sufficient space for a motor vehicle |
>> | there must be sufficient space for a bicycle, |
>> | because the bicycle is smaller. Is that not obviously so? |
>> | -- John Forester |
>> +--------------------------------------------------------------+
>>
>> Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
>> Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
>> http://harriscyclery.com
>> Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwidehttp://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com

>
> any idea what size press (tonnage) they would use for cranks ?
>


probably more than 1, less than 10. depends [among other things] on the
temperature, size, and degree of forming sought on each strike. most
producers suck it to see.
 
bicycle_disciple wrote:
>
> What manufacturing methods are being used in high end components these
> days and how do each one affect strength, failure due to fatigue,
> stiffness etc?


There are more factors than manufacturing method that dictate the
properties of a part.

Know first of all that stiffness is a product of basic material type
and part dimensions, not manufacturing technique. A cast stem made
from weak, soft aluminum would be as stiff as a cold-forged and
machined stem made from 7075-T6 alloy, if they both had the same
shape, size, and weight. So for stiffness, you are concerned about
gross categories of material (e.g. steel vs. titanium vs. aluminum vs.
magnesium), part weight, and part form. It makes no difference how
the part is made.

For the purposes of the discussion, I am going to exclude frames,
forks, rims, etc-- things that can be considered structures unto
themselves. Such parts have more in common with each other than they
do with components that function as mechanisms.

The highest quality components these days are either cold forged from
metal or laid up and cured from carbon/epoxy. (I'm not going to talk
about carbon parts because I think they're goofy.) Forging is
basically smashing material into the desired shape between tools or
forms made of harder stuff. It makes the metal stronger and reduces
the size and effect of internal flaws, as well as being a material-
efficient way of making parts. The tradeoff is that the dies (shaped
tools) for forging are very expensive, and the finish quality of parts
in as-forged condition can be pretty crude.

Forging can be done on "cold" metal (in the same microcrystalline
state as at room temperature), which causes work hardening--
strengthening-- of the metal itself. It can also be done hot, with
metal that is softened and easier to smash into shape. Hot forged
parts have the structural advantages of "grain" that follows the shape
of the part and diminished internal flaws, but the metal will be in a
relatively soft state after the part cools. Thus it will be both
weaker and more ductile (bendable; the opposite of brittle) in
comparison to a cold forged part made from the same alloy. You can't
usually tell just by looking whether a forged part was cold- or hot-
forged.

The most common sort of stem I see on new bikes is forged from
aluminum around a mandrel (making the finished product hollow):

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/images/stem-dimension-thless-sm4523.jpg

Most aluminum brake arms, seatpost heads, crank arms, pedal bodies,
and hub shells on decent quality bikes are also forged.

Casting allows the the same sorts of complex shapes as forging, with
even more detail and finer surface finish. (Castings can also be
incredibly crude and poorly finished.) Cast metals tend to be softer
and weaker than cold-forged metals, but much more brittle than hot-
forged metals. They also contain the largest flaws from which cracks
can propagate. Casting dies are very expensive, but the incremental
unit cost of cast parts is tiny compared to most other processes. As
a result, cast parts are common on cheap pedestrian bikes which are to
be sold in great numbers-- think Huffies and other bicycle-shaped
objects.

Machining is the term for cutting material away from a casting,
forging, or blank of raw metal. Any bike part with threads for screws
in it has been machined to some degree. Machining parts from plain
bar stock is one of the most economical ways to make small numbers of
a part, but one of the most expensive ways to mass-produce parts. It
produces a huge amount of swarf (chips) which must be recycled or
discarded.

Machining includes milling (which would be used to make a crank or
fancy chainring) and turning (which would be used to make a hub shell
or pedal spindle), as well as other processes like drilling, tapping
(making threads), broaching (making splines and keyways), flycutting,
and surface grinding. CNC stands for "computer numeric control",
meaning the machine runs under the command of a computer which has
been programmed with toolpaths by its operator. CNC machining allows
shapes and finish quality which were not feasible when the machines
were controlled exclusively by hand cranks and levers.

It's common these days for forgings to be machined on all exposed
surfaces. This accomplishes two primary things: It brings the part
to a very uniform shape and finish, and it makes the part shiny and
attractive to the consumer without the need for much more surface
treatment.

Stamping is another process that can be seen in some metal bike
parts. Stamping uses punches and dies to strike flat forms from metal
sheet or plate, sometimes bashing curved surfaces into the parts in
the same process or a subsequent step. Cheap steel single-pivot
calipers are probably the best-known stampings used in bikes, though
there are plenty of other examples. Seat guts are stamped, as are
some brake levers. Steel chainrings, sprockets, derailleurs, and hubs
are almost always stamped. Lots of steel stems are made by stamping
or a combination of stamping and welding. Pedal cages are stamped.

The benefit of stamping is entirely in its low manufacturing cost.
Parts made this way usually lack rigidity for their weight, owing to
their thin, flattened and mostly open sections.

Welding is used for some parts, like stems and a few cranks and
seatposts. Welding from sections of tube results in a naturally stiff
and efficient structure with all its mass close to the part surface,
where the material can best resist stresses. The drawbacks are
relatively high labor cost and significant variations in uniformity
and quality control. Almost all welded parts will need some amount of
machining before and after welding.

I may have left out some noteworthy processes, but at the moment I
think that's about all the common metalworking techniques used in the
manufacturing of bike parts.

Chalo
 
jim beam wrote:
>
> you seem to be confused about how cnc is different from casting or
> forging. cnc is simply a machining process that's used for finishing,
> not for basic form creation like casting or forging.


That's not exactly true. The CNC machined parts that brought this
technique into the bike world were all machined from billet, and many
still are. Paul Components, White Industries, Ringlé, Avid, Grafton,
IRD, Kooka, Cook Bros, and others machined parts from plain bar
stock.

The reasons that many of them no longer do so has as much to do with
cost of production as it does with the superiority of forgings. Many
of the aforementioned manufacturers used 7075-T6 alloy, for example,
which is much stronger than the aluminum alloys used in the vast
majority of forged parts.

Chalo
 
the road bike frame i ride is 20 years old. Slowly over time and
replacement, all parts were upgraded to contemporary Shimano Deore and
now resin MTB grips.
I accumulated and used three salvedged sets of 20 year old SunTour and
generic Tiwanese parts sharing a common end-the parts cracked.
The contemporary Deore parts show no signs of cracking or metal
fatigue but slowly, progressively wear out.
Is that difference alloy or forged vs cast?
 
Chalo wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> you seem to be confused about how cnc is different from casting or
>> forging. cnc is simply a machining process that's used for finishing,
>> not for basic form creation like casting or forging.

>
> That's not exactly true.


i know - i'm simplifying for the context of the op's question.

> The CNC machined parts that brought this
> technique into the bike world were all machined from billet, and many
> still are. Paul Components, White Industries, Ringl�, Avid, Grafton,
> IRD, Kooka, Cook Bros, and others machined parts from plain bar
> stock.


right - because for a small production run, it's cheaper than setting up
a forge and /then/ machining. but quality product when machining from
billet requires material to be much more expensive than would otherwise
be necessary. and in volume, unit costs are much higher.


>
> The reasons that many of them no longer do so has as much to do with
> cost of production as it does with the superiority of forgings. Many
> of the aforementioned manufacturers used 7075-T6 alloy, for example,
> which is much stronger than the aluminum alloys used in the vast
> majority of forged parts.


indeed. see above.
 
Chalo wrote:
> bicycle_disciple wrote:
>> What manufacturing methods are being used in high end components these
>> days and how do each one affect strength, failure due to fatigue,
>> stiffness etc?

>
> There are more factors than manufacturing method that dictate the
> properties of a part.
>
> Know first of all that stiffness is a product of basic material type
> and part dimensions, not manufacturing technique. A cast stem made
> from weak, soft aluminum would be as stiff as a cold-forged and
> machined stem made from 7075-T6 alloy, if they both had the same
> shape, size, and weight. So for stiffness, you are concerned about
> gross categories of material (e.g. steel vs. titanium vs. aluminum vs.
> magnesium), part weight, and part form. It makes no difference how
> the part is made.
>
> For the purposes of the discussion, I am going to exclude frames,
> forks, rims, etc-- things that can be considered structures unto
> themselves. Such parts have more in common with each other than they
> do with components that function as mechanisms.
>
> The highest quality components these days are either cold forged from
> metal or laid up and cured from carbon/epoxy. (I'm not going to talk
> about carbon parts because I think they're goofy.) Forging is
> basically smashing material into the desired shape between tools or
> forms made of harder stuff. It makes the metal stronger and reduces
> the size and effect of internal flaws, as well as being a material-
> efficient way of making parts. The tradeoff is that the dies (shaped
> tools) for forging are very expensive, and the finish quality of parts
> in as-forged condition can be pretty crude.
>
> Forging can be done on "cold" metal (in the same microcrystalline
> state as at room temperature), which causes work hardening--
> strengthening-- of the metal itself. It can also be done hot, with
> metal that is softened and easier to smash into shape. Hot forged
> parts have the structural advantages of "grain" that follows the shape
> of the part and diminished internal flaws, but the metal will be in a
> relatively soft state after the part cools. Thus it will be both
> weaker and more ductile (bendable; the opposite of brittle) in
> comparison to a cold forged part made from the same alloy. You can't
> usually tell just by looking whether a forged part was cold- or hot-
> forged.
>
> The most common sort of stem I see on new bikes is forged from
> aluminum around a mandrel (making the finished product hollow):
>
> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/images/stem-dimension-thless-sm4523.jpg
>
> Most aluminum brake arms, seatpost heads, crank arms,


it seems a good amount of low end stuff these days is cast
[thixoformed], including crank arms.

> pedal bodies,
> and hub shells on decent quality bikes are also forged.
>
> Casting allows the the same sorts of complex shapes as forging, with
> even more detail and finer surface finish. (Castings can also be
> incredibly crude and poorly finished.) Cast metals tend to be softer
> and weaker than cold-forged metals, but much more brittle than hot-
> forged metals. They also contain the largest flaws from which cracks
> can propagate. Casting dies are very expensive, but the incremental
> unit cost of cast parts is tiny compared to most other processes. As
> a result, cast parts are common on cheap pedestrian bikes which are to
> be sold in great numbers-- think Huffies and other bicycle-shaped
> objects.
>
> Machining is the term for cutting material away from a casting,
> forging, or blank of raw metal. Any bike part with threads for screws
> in it has been machined to some degree. Machining parts from plain
> bar stock is one of the most economical ways to make small numbers of
> a part, but one of the most expensive ways to mass-produce parts. It
> produces a huge amount of swarf (chips) which must be recycled or
> discarded.
>
> Machining includes milling (which would be used to make a crank or
> fancy chainring) and turning (which would be used to make a hub shell
> or pedal spindle), as well as other processes like drilling, tapping
> (making threads), broaching (making splines and keyways), flycutting,
> and surface grinding. CNC stands for "computer numeric control",
> meaning the machine runs under the command of a computer which has
> been programmed with toolpaths by its operator. CNC machining allows
> shapes and finish quality which were not feasible when the machines
> were controlled exclusively by hand cranks and levers.
>
> It's common these days for forgings to be machined on all exposed
> surfaces. This accomplishes two primary things: It brings the part
> to a very uniform shape and finish, and it makes the part shiny and
> attractive to the consumer without the need for much more surface
> treatment.


surface finish is also a primary consideration in fatigue initiation.
"shiny" has significant fatigue benefits, not just consumer attraction.

>
> Stamping is another process that can be seen in some metal bike
> parts. Stamping uses punches and dies to strike flat forms from metal
> sheet or plate, sometimes bashing curved surfaces into the parts in
> the same process or a subsequent step. Cheap steel single-pivot
> calipers are probably the best-known stampings used in bikes, though
> there are plenty of other examples. Seat guts are stamped, as are
> some brake levers. Steel chainrings, sprockets, derailleurs, and hubs
> are almost always stamped. Lots of steel stems are made by stamping
> or a combination of stamping and welding. Pedal cages are stamped.


stamping imparts additional cold work, which in turn can increase
strength - it's not all bad. especially in applications like sprockets.

>
> The benefit of stamping is entirely in its low manufacturing cost.
> Parts made this way usually lack rigidity for their weight, owing to
> their thin, flattened and mostly open sections.


there are additional benefits though - see above.

>
> Welding is used for some parts, like stems and a few cranks and
> seatposts. Welding from sections of tube results in a naturally stiff
> and efficient structure with all its mass close to the part surface,
> where the material can best resist stresses. The drawbacks are
> relatively high labor cost and significant variations in uniformity
> and quality control. Almost all welded parts will need some amount of
> machining before and after welding.


it's also harder to make a welded part behave well in fatigue.

>
> I may have left out some noteworthy processes, but at the moment I
> think that's about all the common metalworking techniques used in the
> manufacturing of bike parts.


not bad... but you could write theses on this stuff if you want to be
pedantic.
 
datakoll wrote:
> the road bike frame i ride is 20 years old. Slowly over time and
> replacement, all parts were upgraded to contemporary Shimano Deore and
> now resin MTB grips.
> I accumulated and used three salvedged sets of 20 year old SunTour and
> generic Tiwanese parts sharing a common end-the parts cracked.
> The contemporary Deore parts show no signs of cracking or metal
> fatigue but slowly, progressively wear out.
> Is that difference alloy or forged vs cast?
>

it can be, yes. from my experience, a lot of cast bike parts are softer
and less wear resistant. certainly less fatigue resistant.
 
"datakoll" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> the road bike frame i ride is 20 years old. Slowly over time and
> replacement, all parts were upgraded to contemporary Shimano Deore and
> now resin MTB grips.
> I accumulated and used three salvedged sets of 20 year old SunTour and
> generic Tiwanese parts sharing a common end-the parts cracked.
> The contemporary Deore parts show no signs of cracking or metal
> fatigue but slowly, progressively wear out.
> Is that difference alloy or forged vs cast?


Alloy means the base metal has other elements mixed with it to alter it's
properties.

Forging is a manufacturing method where a metal is hammered into a base
shape. This produces one of the strongest shapes possible because the
metal's grain is lined up in a common direction. Think of a piece of wood
that comes directly from a tree, all the grain of the wood runs parallel to
the growth of the tree.

Casting is simply molted metal poured into a mold and allowed to cool,
compare it with particle board in wood.

I haven't thought much about it but would think a lot of bicycle parts
especially derailler and shifter components all start life as "investment
castings". This is where they have a mold and cast a wax part, the wax
part is coated with a ceramic type material and furnaced, hardening the
ceramic and melting the wax (hence the name "lost wax" casting. Molten
metal is poured in the ceramic mold which is broken away after the metal
cools. This produces a very accurate part with close tolerances and a
surface finish much like plastic. It's also possible to cast metals like
aluminum, stainless steel, and titanium.
 
"jim beam" who? wrote:
> ...most producers suck it to see.


Huh?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
 
Chalo Colina wrote:
> ...
> I may have left out some noteworthy processes, but at the moment I
> think that's about all the common metalworking techniques used in the
> manufacturing of bike parts.


Chalo neglects to mention the drinking of beer [1] by the machinist
after the work is done.

[1] The skill of the machinist can be correlated to the quality of the
beer.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
 
Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> "jim beam" who? wrote:
>> ...most producers suck it to see.

>
> Huh?
>



"suck it and see" is a common expression hereabouts. but maybe that's
because i live in san francisco.
 
On Jul 27, 9:37 pm, jim beam <[email protected]> wrote:
> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>
> > "jim beam" who? wrote:
> >> ...most producers suck it to see.

>
> > Huh?

>
> "suck it and see" is a common expression hereabouts. but maybe that's
> because i live in san francisco.


AFAICT, it's origin is the UK. I first encountered the phrase in a
book about engine carburation, where "suck it and see" was (literally)
the only way to test new carb jetting.
 
Chalo Colina wrote:
> ...
> I may have left out some noteworthy processes, but at the moment I
> think that's about all the common metalworking techniques used in the
> manufacturing of bike parts.


Chalo neglects to mention the drinking of beer [1] by the machinist
after the work is done.

[1] The skill of the machinist can be correlated to the quality of the
beer.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
 
Ozark Bicycle wrote:
jim beam wrote:
>
> > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:

>
> > > "jim beam" who? wrote:
> > >> ...most producers suck it to see.

>
> > > Huh?

>
> > "suck it and see" is a common expression hereabouts. but maybe that's
> > because i live in san francisco.

>
> AFAICT, it's origin is the UK. I first encountered the phrase in a
> book about engine carburation, where "suck it and see" was (literally)
> the only way to test new carb jetting.


And the S.U. carburetor gave way to Lucas fuel infection (sic)...

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
 
On Jul 27, 10:01 pm, jim beam <[email protected]> wrote:
> Chalo wrote:
> > jim beam wrote:
> >> you seem to be confused about how cnc is different from casting or
> >> forging. cnc is simply a machining process that's used for finishing,
> >> not for basic form creation like casting or forging.

>
> > That's not exactly true.

>
> i know - i'm simplifying for the context of the op's question.
>
> > The CNC machined parts that brought this
> > technique into the bike world were all machined from billet, and many
> > still are. Paul Components, White Industries, Ringl?, Avid, Grafton,
> > IRD, Kooka, Cook Bros, and others machined parts from plain bar
> > stock.

>
> right - because for a small production run, it's cheaper than setting up
> a forge and /then/ machining. but quality product when machining from
> billet requires material to be much more expensive than would otherwise
> be necessary. and in volume, unit costs are much higher.
>
>
>
> > The reasons that many of them no longer do so has as much to do with
> > cost of production as it does with the superiority of forgings. Many
> > of the aforementioned manufacturers used 7075-T6 alloy, for example,
> > which is much stronger than the aluminum alloys used in the vast
> > majority of forged parts.

>
> indeed. see above.


Not quite; you can buy a cnc for $50G; with that you can make all the
fancy parts you want, starting in your garage; the forging requires
designing and building the dies, and you are already at the cost of a
cnc; then when you start to go into production your dies get smashed
and need to be fixed etc. and you are at least twice the cost of a cnc
to prototype your forged parts. it's economics.
 
[email protected] wrote:
> On Jul 27, 10:01 pm, jim beam <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Chalo wrote:
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> you seem to be confused about how cnc is different from casting or
>>>> forging. cnc is simply a machining process that's used for finishing,
>>>> not for basic form creation like casting or forging.
>>> That's not exactly true.

>> i know - i'm simplifying for the context of the op's question.
>>
>>> The CNC machined parts that brought this
>>> technique into the bike world were all machined from billet, and many
>>> still are. Paul Components, White Industries, Ringl?, Avid, Grafton,
>>> IRD, Kooka, Cook Bros, and others machined parts from plain bar
>>> stock.

>> right - because for a small production run, it's cheaper than setting up
>> a forge and /then/ machining. but quality product when machining from
>> billet requires material to be much more expensive than would otherwise
>> be necessary. and in volume, unit costs are much higher.
>>
>>
>>
>>> The reasons that many of them no longer do so has as much to do with
>>> cost of production as it does with the superiority of forgings. Many
>>> of the aforementioned manufacturers used 7075-T6 alloy, for example,
>>> which is much stronger than the aluminum alloys used in the vast
>>> majority of forged parts.

>> indeed. see above.

>
> Not quite; you can buy a cnc for $50G; with that you can make all the
> fancy parts you want, starting in your garage; the forging requires
> designing and building the dies, and you are already at the cost of a
> cnc; then when you start to go into production your dies get smashed
> and need to be fixed etc. and you are at least twice the cost of a cnc
> to prototype your forged parts. it's economics.
>


not sure i understand how this is different from what i was saying.
except that an experienced forge shop won't "smash" dies. they wear and
need to be replaced in the course of normal operations, but that's way
cheaper than the tooling replacement necessary for cnc given the
production volumes.