considering my first bent

Just zis Guy said:

I wear standard cycle jerseys and jackets because they work better for
me than non-bike ones in every respect other than having pockets at
the back. I don't wear padded shorts on the 'bent.

From whence cometh thy unpadded shorts, Guy? My padded ones are fine up to
~100 km but then start causing painful (and embarrassing) symptoms...

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craning their necks upwards. When I ride my DF, I'm not quite looking
straight ahead as on my bents, but I'm looking ahead well beyond my front
wheel.

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Yore neck gotta get kinda tired after a while holdin it up like at.

The way I have my DF set up currently (handlebars even with the saddle),
I don't have to crane my neck up to look ahead. Plus, I can look up by,
uh, looking up, without changing my head position. Wonderful things,
those eyes that move/roll in different positions.

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Dave Larrington said:

Use of said pockets to carry bananas, however, is Strongly Depracated

That's why you need one of these:

http://www.wallbike.com/oddsnends.html#bg

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Dave Larrington said:

Up to a point, Lord Copper. If one is using a compartively narrow hardshell
seat, then the outer rear pockets of a jersey are still usable, as I
frequently demonstrate to myself when I neglect to remove my cleat covers
until after I've locked the tailbox...

For me, it's not so much accessibility, but bulk causing back discomfort.

You might say that I'd pass the "pea test" (see "The Princess and the Pea"😉.

But you're right, on a narrow hardshell, the outer pocks of the usual
three on jerseys may be useful and not cause discomfort.

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From whence cometh thy unpadded shorts, Guy? My padded ones are fine up to
~100 km but then start causing painful (and embarrassing) symptoms...

My shorts of choice on tour are Rohan Goas. The [censored] have, of
course, "improved" them into something worse ("Essential Shorts"😉, but
there's plenty of freedom of movement still and they seem a bit more
socially acceptable off the bike than most cycle shorts. Light,
windproof[1] and fast drying.

Sometimes I wear running shorts inna wrapover stylee. These are very
comfy, though some may find them a little risque as into the wind people
may see a peek of the integral coolmax brief concealing my underpants!
They're not ideal unless it's a nice day, though, and give interesting
gravel rash potential if you slide out.

Pete.

[1] excepting the drafts going up the legs, of course
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Victor Kan said:

The way I have my DF set up currently (handlebars even with the saddle),
I don't have to crane my neck up to look ahead. Plus, I can look up by,
uh, looking up, without changing my head position. Wonderful things,
those eyes that move/roll in different positions.

Though it takes a conscious effort to do this, not necessary on a
typical 'bent.

Unless the riding position on an upright is /very/ upright, as on a
Dutch roadster or the like, you do have a tendency to look down at the
road. I even find this on my Brompton, which is known for an upright
riding position. By contrast the Streetmachine always gives a head-up
view of where I'm actually going.

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Dave Larrington said:

From whence cometh thy unpadded shorts, Guy? My padded ones are fine up to
~100 km but then start causing painful (and embarrassing) symptoms...

http://www.sweatshop.co.uk/ opposite Reading Station, usually from
their end-of-season sale racks.

http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/Web/public.nsf/Documents/bike_optima_stinger

At the top are my favourite pair, but after 3 years of use they are
about done in now.

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Just zis Guy said:

Dave Larrington said:

From whence cometh thy unpadded shorts, Guy? My padded ones are
fine up to ~100 km but then start causing painful (and embarrassing)
symptoms...

http://www.sweatshop.co.uk/ opposite Reading Station, usually from
their end-of-season sale racks.

They have a branch just over the river from the Nut Mines. If 'tis not
raining tomorrow, I shall go for a stroll...

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Quoth "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]>:
| On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:42:45 +0100, Peter Clinch
| <[email hidden]> wrote:
....
|> Clipless pedals are a Very Good Idea, as they mean you don't need to
|> hold your feet up.
|
| I would go as far as to say that clipless pedals are, on a two-wheel
| 'bent at least, essential. On a three-wheeler you could get away with
| tightly fastened clips and straps or foot boards. I would not want to
| ride a 'bent (except maybe one of those Giant Revive style ones)
| without my feet being firmly attached to the pedals.

My Vanguard has toe clips. I might be better off with clipless,
but I really have not had a lot of trouble with it. The worst
thing is that it can be hard to get my rather large sneakers
into the clips, but of course clipless pedals aren't really the
answer for that. I'm sure there's lots to be said against the
way I ride my Vanguard as if it were just a means to get where
I'm going, but I do manage this way, so clipless pedals are not
truly essential -- QED. (Previous owner evidently managed also.)

For those younger persons for whom the Vanguard isn't a sort of
archetype -- it's a long wheel base with a low bottom bracket,
so the angle of repose is less dramatic. One's feet are less
likely to fall out of the pedals, along with the advantages we
discussed yesterday concerning forward view, and if I'm not
mistaken better stability when starting off.

Donn

And if you're on the left coast of the colonies http://www.kucharick.com
have very nice lycra shorts with a thin liner to protect the nether bits
from chafing at the seams.
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Just zis Guy said:

Dave Larrington said:

From whence cometh thy unpadded shorts, Guy? My padded ones are
fine up to ~100 km but then start causing painful (and embarrassing)
symptoms...

http://www.sweatshop.co.uk/ opposite Reading Station, usually from
their end-of-season sale racks.

They have a branch just over the river from the Nut Mines. If 'tis not
raining tomorrow, I shall go for a stroll...

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I have 2 Kucharick shorts, excellent quality

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And if you're on the left coast of the colonies http://www.kucharick.com
have very nice lycra shorts with a thin liner to protect the nether bits
from chafing at the seams.
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Just zis Guy said:

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:30:07 +0100, "Dave Larrington"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

> From whence cometh thy unpadded shorts, Guy? My padded ones are
> fine up to ~100 km but then start causing painful (and embarrassing)
> symptoms...

http://www.sweatshop.co.uk/ opposite Reading Station, usually from
their end-of-season sale racks.

They have a branch just over the river from the Nut Mines. If 'tis not
raining tomorrow, I shall go for a stroll...

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Dave Larrington said:

From whence cometh thy unpadded shorts, Guy? My padded ones are fine up to
~100 km but then start causing painful (and embarrassing) symptoms...

I use Ronhills "Women's Elite Lycra Shorts" - running shorts.

Roos

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On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:42:45 +0100, Peter Clinch
I wear standard cycle jerseys and jackets because they work better for
me than non-bike ones in every respect other than having pockets at
the back. I don't wear padded shorts on the 'bent.

Talking about shorts, do any of you wear baggy shorts? I'm not keen on
ordinary baggy shorts since I don't want my delicate bits at the end of a
bee/wasp trap, but what about shorts that have elastic or something else
closing the leg ends? I've not tried anything like that.

Roos Eisma said:

Dave Larrington said:

From whence cometh thy unpadded shorts, Guy? My padded ones are fine up to

Quoted message said:

~100 km but then start causing painful (and embarrassing) symptoms...

I use Ronhills "Women's Elite Lycra Shorts" - running shorts.

Rather fetchingly modelled at
http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/tdn4.htm

There is, IIRC, a bloke's version

Pete.
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LSMike said:

Talking about shorts, do any of you wear baggy shorts? I'm not keen on
ordinary baggy shorts since I don't want my delicate bits at the end of a
bee/wasp trap, but what about shorts that have elastic or something else
closing the leg ends? I've not tried anything like that.

The Rohan ones I often use are baggy. No special seals over the leg
ends, I've never yet found /any/ remotely substantial insects flying up
them in about 4 years of recumbency, so I suspect the wasp fear is
mainly fear.

Pete.
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Peter Clinch said:

LSMike wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Talking about shorts, do any of you wear baggy shorts? I'm not keen on
ordinary baggy shorts since I don't want my delicate bits at the end of a
bee/wasp trap, but what about shorts that have elastic or something else
closing the leg ends? I've not tried anything like that.

Quoted message said:

The Rohan ones I often use are baggy. No special seals over the leg
ends, I've never yet found /any/ remotely substantial insects flying up
them in about 4 years of recumbency, so I suspect the wasp fear is
mainly fear.

It also depends on whether your legs are baggy or twiggy 😉

Roos

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Peter Clinch said:

LSMike wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Talking about shorts, do any of you wear baggy shorts? I'm not keen on
ordinary baggy shorts since I don't want my delicate bits at the end of
a
bee/wasp trap, but what about shorts that have elastic or something else
closing the leg ends? I've not tried anything like that.

Quoted message said:

The Rohan ones I often use are baggy. No special seals over the leg
ends, I've never yet found /any/ remotely substantial insects flying up
them in about 4 years of recumbency, so I suspect the wasp fear is
mainly fear.

It also depends on whether your legs are baggy or twiggy 😉

Roos

*Chuckle*. They are twiggy unfortunately. I've had wasp damage on my
motorcycle a couple times now, so I'm perhaps a little gunshy. 🙂

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LSMike wrote:
Talking about shorts, do any of you wear baggy shorts? I'm not keen
on ordinary baggy shorts since I don't want my delicate bits at the
end of a bee/wasp trap, but what about shorts that have elastic or
something else closing the leg ends? I've not tried anything like that.

Baggy shorts with cinch or elastic leg ends are good if only to help
keep your shorts from riding up or billowing in the wind, nevermind
protecting against flying bugs.

These are pretty good:

http://www.exofficio.com/product_details.aspx?item_guid=a7768434-49d5-4bd5-ac94-3657c66ebe81

though the leg cinch can be difficult to adjust with one hand, and the
mesh liner inside has thick seams that can be uncomfortable sometimes.

Peter Clinch said:

The Rohan ones I often use are baggy. No special seals over the leg
ends, I've never yet found /any/ remotely substantial insects flying up
them in about 4 years of recumbency, so I suspect the wasp fear is
mainly fear.

I had at least three bug impacts on my commute home last night, and that
was just the ones I noticed because they were bugs that flew into my
head. I got two small ones in my mouth area (yuck!) and one big one at
my ear (judging by how loud the impact was), from the side!

If big bugs are flying into my ear from the side, I'd think it is no
less likely for them to be scooped up by baggy shorts billowing in the wind.

Maybe wasps are smarter or otherwise know to avoid flying into folks on
bikes, or maybe there are fewer bugs where you live than in the
Southeastern U.S. where I live.

I've even had a large flying bug (a bumblebee) literally fly circles
around me while I'm riding. Maybe it was because I was riding on my
yellow and black trike, resembling a target of its affections? :-)

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Victor Kan said:

I had at least three bug impacts on my commute home last night, and that
was just the ones I noticed because they were bugs that flew into my
head. I got two small ones in my mouth area (yuck!) and one big one at
my ear (judging by how loud the impact was), from the side!

I get plenty of impacts (and I agree they taste /disgusting/), but
despite that none have flown up my shorts, at least that I've noticed.
Maybe because unlike my head they've legs and feet preceeding the
openings to warn things away?

Pete.
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Anyone ever try riding in the Scottish tradition re: au natural beneath the
kilt?
Am going to have an enclosed nose cone and am seriously thinking of riding
with a Kilt.

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And if you're on the left coast of the colonies http://www.kucharick.com
have very nice lycra shorts with a thin liner to protect the nether bits
from chafing at the seams.
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:30:07 +0100, "Dave Larrington"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> From whence cometh thy unpadded shorts, Guy? My padded ones are
>> fine up to ~100 km but then start causing painful (and embarrassing)
>> symptoms...
>
> http://www.sweatshop.co.uk/ opposite Reading Station, usually from
> their end-of-season sale racks.

They have a branch just over the river from the Nut Mines. If 'tis not
raining tomorrow, I shall go for a stroll...

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