Conti Contact Security vs Schwalbe Marathon Plus cycle tires

[datakoll]

I'm just saying
sometimes tis better to pin the blame on others
who cannot answer for themselves

for example

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this
continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the
proposition that all men are created equal.

 

[A Muzi]

> Andrew Muzi writes:
>> Some old fogies (me) are driven to distraction on hearing things
>> like 'orientated'. I, for one, have learned to smile and walk away,
>> no one being interested in my opinions of language. Languages
>> degrade; get over it.

[email protected] wrote:
> What is your methodology on that? I notice that:
>
> Psychology: Study of Psychological matters
> Mineralogy: Study of minerals
> Theology: Study of religion and deities
> Biology: Study of plants and animals
> etc...
> Therefore, consistent with the language, the word originally meant the
> study of methods of one kind or another, whereas the common use seems
> to be a more imposing word for method.
> It's like "my personal opinion on that" aka "I believe..." but the
> overwhelming majority of these long words and phrases seem to be used
> to be more impressive. I'm with Andrew, for me these flourishes cast
> doubt on what the writer has to say.
> Sometimes it is a dodge from the fear of expressing an opinion,
> because being opinionated is horrid. That's why writers often use
> "hopefully you'll succeed" rather than "I hope you succeed" in order
> to not express an opinion.
> What a bunch of dangling adverbialism!...

Ever notice how public speakers, especially political candidates, use
'myself' or 'we' rather than 'me' or 'I'?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

 

[Michael Press]

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:

> Colin Campbell writes:
>
> http://www.conti-tyres.co.uk/conticycle/ti contact security.shtml
>
> >>> Continental, Germany tells us the Contact Security is
>
> >>> "Designed for industrial applications, the ContactSecurity can
> >>> also perform well in everyday use. Its massive puncture-proof
> >>> breaker was developed to resist metal cuttings and shards on
> >>> factory grounds. In view of its tough construction, it is not a
> >>> comfortable touring tyre with low rolling resistance, but it does
> >>> effectively ward off gravel and shards on short stretches in the
> >>> city."
>
> >> The page also says "The tread derives it¹s superb function from a
> >> closer look at nature¹s solutions. Animal paws were the model for
> >> designing the tread pattern and it¹s surface!"
>
> >> How many animals have wheels and travel primarily on pavement?
>
> > And how many animals misuse "it's" twice in two sentences? I
> > thought the UK had something to do with the English language.
>
> That language is no longer taught in schools as is apparent from
> (lie/lay), (effect/impact), (affect/impact) and other speech
> embellishments "overwhelming majority" aka "most" that we see all the
> time.
>
> Its the overwhelming majority of these kinds of things that give
> wreck.bike a lack of clarity.
>
> aka
>
> Most of these things make wreck.bike unclear.

I enjoy going after thoughtless qualifiers such as
`very unique' or `potentially dangerous'. Check out
books on style. There is only one message in all of
them. When you meet a qualifier on the road, kill it.

--
Michael Press

 

[Dave Larrington]

In news:[email protected],
Colin Campbell <[email protected]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:

> And how many animals misuse "it's" twice in two sentences? I thought
> the UK had something to do with the English language.

Which part of "Continental, Germany tells us..." is related to the UK,
please?

--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
The Real Slim Shady's gone to play tennis.

 

[Tom Keats]

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] writes:

> Sometimes it is a dodge from the fear of expressing an opinion,
> because being opinionated is horrid. That's why writers often use
> "hopefully you'll succeed" rather than "I hope you succeed" in order
> to not express an opinion.

On occasion I've succeeded hopelessly, and despite
my pessimism at the time.

> What a bunch of dangling adverbialism!...

That's what separates-out the wheat from the chaff.

I recall how a couple of years ago some news media
talking heads tried to coin: "truthiness."
I'm glad it never caught on. At least, I hope
it didn't.


cheers,
Tom

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I'm really at:
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[Tom Keats]

In article <[email protected]>,
"Dave Larrington" <[email protected]> writes:
> In news:[email protected],
> Colin Campbell <[email protected]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:
>
>> And how many animals misuse "it's" twice in two sentences? I thought
>> the UK had something to do with the English language.
>
> Which part of "Continental, Germany tells us..." is related to the UK,
> please?

I guess Continental Tires[tm] are not
incontinent anywhere in Europe or penEurope.
Hopefully. I don't know how that relates
to Iceland or Greenland, or Sable Island.

I'm not sure if the Azores and the Canary Islands
are penEuropean or penAfrican. Then there's Cyprus --
is that penEuropean, penAfrican or penAsian?
Or maybe we should leave that one alone.

Maybe Depends[tm] should proffer inner tubes.
Tire liners, anyway.

hmmm ... Slime[tm] as an incontinence product ...


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

 

[Colin Campbell]

Dave Larrington wrote:
> In news:[email protected],
> Colin Campbell <[email protected]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:
>
>> And how many animals misuse "it's" twice in two sentences? I thought
>> the UK had something to do with the English language.
>
> Which part of "Continental, Germany tells us..." is related to the UK,
> please?
>

If you follow the link, you'll see it is a .UK site.

 

[Paul O]

Tom Keats wrote:
<snip>
>
> I recall how a couple of years ago some news media
> talking heads tried to coin: "truthiness."
> I'm glad it never caught on. At least, I hope
> it didn't.
>
>
> cheers,
> Tom
>
The word "truthiness" was coined by television comedian Steven Colbert
as a satirical term. He defines it as "truth that comes from the gut,
not books". Colbert uses the term (in a comical manner) to lampoon the
rhetoric of politicians and political commentators that depend on base
emotional appeals (as opposed to appeals to wisdom and logic).

The American Dialect Society defines truthiness as: "the quality of
preferring concepts or facts one wishes to be true, rather than concepts
or facts known to be true"

See:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness>
<http://www.merriam-webster.com/info/06words.htm>
<http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/play.jhtml?itemId=24039>

--

Paul D Oosterhout
I work for SAIC (but I don't speak for SAIC)

 

[datakoll]

Colin Campbell and JB devolved from tires to language for the last 20
remarks.
with one attempt to link the regression to tire ads.
Incroyable!

 

[Andre Jute]

On Feb 26, 3:58 pm, datakoll <[email protected]> wrote:
> Colin Campbell and JB devolved from tires to language for the last 20
> remarks.
> with one attempt to link the regression to tire ads.
> Incroyable!

I did create a separate thread to discuss Andrew's linguistic point at
http://groups.google.ie/group/rec.b...05eb4/a69ec2166ce78411?hl=en#a69ec2166ce78411
but everyone 'cept thee and me seems to prefer muddying the technical
waters of TJ's thread.

Andre Jute
Neat drawers

 

[[email protected]]

Andrew Muzi writes:

>>> Some old fogies (me) are driven to distraction on hearing things
>>> like 'orientated'. I, for one, have learned to smile and walk
>>> away, no one being interested in my opinions of language.
>>> Languages degrade; get over it.

>> What is your methodology on that? I notice that:

>> Psychology: Study of Psychological matters
>> Mineralogy: Study of minerals
>> Theology: Study of religion and deities
>> Biology: Study of plants and animals
>> etc...

>> Therefore, consistent with the language, the word originally meant the
>> study of methods of one kind or another, whereas the common use seems
>> to be a more imposing word for method.

>> It's like "my personal opinion on that" aka "I believe..." but the
>> overwhelming majority of these long words and phrases seem to be used
>> to be more impressive. I'm with Andrew, for me these flourishes cast
>> doubt on what the writer has to say.

>> Sometimes it is a dodge from the fear of expressing an opinion,
>> because being opinionated is horrid. That's why writers often use
>> "hopefully you'll succeed" rather than "I hope you succeed" in order
>> to not express an opinion.

>> What a bunch of dangling adverbialism!...

> Ever notice how public speakers, especially political candidates, use
> 'myself' or 'we' rather than 'me' or 'I'?

.... for fear of being called an egotist. "Me me me first!" as
children are taught not to say. Old dogs don't learn fast or at all.

Jobst Brandt

 

[[email protected]]

Michael Press writes:

http://www.conti-tyres.co.uk/conticycle/ti contact security.shtml

>>>>> Continental, Germany tells us the Contact Security is:
>>>>> "Designed for industrial applications, the ContactSecurity can
>>>>> also perform well in everyday use. Its massive puncture-proof
>>>>> breaker was developed to resist metal cuttings and shards on
>>>>> factory grounds. In view of its tough construction, it is not a
>>>>> comfortable touring tyre with low rolling resistance, but it
>>>>> does effectively ward off gravel and shards on short stretches
>>>>> in the city."

>>>> The page also says "The tread derives it?s superb function from a
>>>> closer look at nature?s solutions. Animal paws were the model for
>>>> designing the tread pattern and it?s surface!"

>>>> How many animals have wheels and travel primarily on pavement?

>>> And how many animals misuse "it's" twice in two sentences? I
>>> thought the UK had something to do with the English language.

>> That language is no longer taught in schools as is apparent from
>> (lie/lay), (effect/impact), (affect/impact) and other speech
>> embellishments "overwhelming majority" aka "most" that we see all the
>> time.

>> Its the overwhelming majority of these kinds of things that give
>> wreck.bike a lack of clarity.

>> aka

>> Most of these things make wreck.bike unclear.

> I enjoy going after thoughtless qualifiers such as "very unique" or
> "potentially dangerous". Check out books on style. There is only
> one message in all of them. When you meet a qualifier on the road,
> kill it.

That's like "Elements of Style" telling the writer to make a "which"
hunt, a more subtle lack of style than the overwhelming majority of
puffed up wordinesses.

Jobst Brandt

 

[datakoll]

Denotations, connotations aside, most meet a logical standard capable
of communication at the confluence of education, money, and interest.

However, when a Pasela tourgard is defined commuter...
Or tester A compares B to C from comparing B to E...
or sez spoke length equals ERD agin and again when that's impossibilbe
and generally dissed...

 

[datakoll]

Universal describes a $14 pasela as "commuter" Universal's
nomenclature is limited.

A Top Contact is available as an alternative to a Security. A
comparison to Schwalbe's best touring tire or GT commuter is welcome.
And let's rid ourselves of "is" isssssssssssssszzzzzz. Now there's a
crappy word: is. accchhhh! happy?

700c x 37/42 may not be available in NA. The extra width with
"recommended" inlfation pressures may overcome the slipperiness they
mentioned.

http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/index.php?category=590


http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=19848&category=590

 

[Andre Jute]

On Feb 26, 6:40 am, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
>
>
>
>  [email protected] wrote:
> > Colin Campbell writes:
>
> >  http://www.conti-tyres.co.uk/conticycle/ti contact security.shtml
>
> > >>> Continental, Germany tells us the Contact Security is
>
> > >>> "Designed for industrial applications, the ContactSecurity can
> > >>> also perform well in everyday use.  Its massive puncture-proof
> > >>> breaker was developed to resist metal cuttings and shards on
> > >>> factory grounds.  In view of its tough construction, it is not a
> > >>> comfortable touring tyre with low rolling resistance, but it does
> > >>> effectively ward off gravel and shards on short stretches in the
> > >>> city."
>
> > >> The page also says "The tread derives it¹s superb function from a
> > >> closer look at nature¹s solutions.  Animal paws were the model for
> > >> designing the tread pattern and it¹s surface!"
>
> > >> How many animals have wheels and travel primarily on pavement?
>
> > > And how many animals misuse "it's" twice in two sentences?  I
> > > thought the UK had something to do with the English language.
>
> > That language is no longer taught in schools as is apparent from
> > (lie/lay), (effect/impact), (affect/impact) and other speech
> > embellishments "overwhelming majority" aka "most" that we see all the
> > time.
>
> > Its the overwhelming majority of these kinds of things that give
> > wreck.bike a lack of clarity.
>
> > aka
>
> > Most of these things make wreck.bike unclear.
>
> I enjoy going after thoughtless qualifiers such as
> `very unique' or `potentially dangerous'.  Check out
> books on style. There is only one message in all of
> them. When you meet a qualifier on the road, kill it.

That's advice for dullards. Style is not about being correctly dull
but about making the rules work for you, and especially to make them
work for you strikingly when you break them, which presupposes that
you know the rules and when to break them to best effect. One of the
good reasons to use modifiers rarely is to protect the impact of the
few you do use.

Of your two examples, dear Michael, "very unique" is a logical
impossibility which doesn't need the modifier rule to earn a death
sentence, and "potentially dangerous" is perfectly good English where
the context permits, as in "a decision that is potentially dangerous
because we do not yet know all the facts which will bear on the
outcome".

> --
> Michael Press

Cheers.

Andre Jute
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[Andre Jute]

On Feb 26, 3:46 pm, Paul O <[email protected]> wrote:
> Tom Keats wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > I recall how a couple of years ago some news media
> > talking heads tried to coin: "truthiness."
> > I'm glad it never caught on.  At least, I hope
> > it didn't.
>
> > cheers,
> >    Tom
>
> The word "truthiness" was coined by television comedian Steven Colbert
> as a satirical term. He defines it as "truth that comes from the gut,
> not books". Colbert uses the term (in a comical manner) to lampoon the
> rhetoric of politicians and political commentators that depend on base
> emotional appeals (as opposed to appeals to wisdom and logic).
>
> The American Dialect Society defines truthiness as: "the quality of
> preferring concepts or facts one wishes to be true, rather than concepts
> or facts known to be true"

That's just a fancy word for plain, ordinary wishful thinking aka
lovesick teenage mooning. Political economists have an even more
impressive phrase: "the normative case". Nobody talks back to you on
the gogglebox once you mention the normative case, because it cloaks
the most stupid of political plans in moral superiority. Communism
traded on that for eight decades, which accounts for the normative
case, a perfectly good tool in the hands of libertarians, being
somewhat in disgrace.

Andre Jute
Not a commiepinkofellowtraveller

> See:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness>
> <http://www.merriam-webster.com/info/06words.htm>
> <http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/play.jhtml?itemId=....>
>
> --
>
> Paul D Oosterhout
> I work for SAIC (but I don't speak for SAIC)

 

[datakoll]

!

 

[Bill Sornson]

?

 

[datakoll]

On Feb 26, 7:55 pm, "Bill Sornson" <[email protected]> wrote:
>              ?

I aghree

 

[Tom Sherman]

datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
> Universal describes a $14 pasela as "commuter" Universal's
> nomenclature is limited.
>
> A Top Contact is available as an alternative to a Security. A
> comparison to Schwalbe's best touring tire or GT commuter is welcome.
> And let's rid ourselves of "is" isssssssssssssszzzzzz. Now there's a
> crappy word: is. accchhhh! happy?
> [...]
"No, not 'is'. You wouldn't get vary far in life not saying 'is'." -
Head Knight who says Ni.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful