Conversation with sons about sports- WARNING - LONG



: >>Our young men and women seem to not be having any problems conducting
:
: combat operations<<
:
: They havent subdued iraq yet!!!! ****** took poland in 3 days and
: france in a short time. The problem is allowing and expecting to women
: to pull their weight and contribute in a combat capacity.

Dang! and here I thought there was an insurgency campaign made up mostly of
Sunni Muslims keeping the combat operations from being over! Things must be
slow in Virginia for you to blame everything on the women in the Army....

Pat in TX
:
 
On 12 Apr 2005 07:31:07 -0700, Maggie wrote:

> This is a good read about a guy who gained self esteem from Dodge Ball.
> (link at the end) Everyone is good at something. Self esteem comes
> from the things you do well. Whatever that may be. You love cycling.


I was the kid who everyone picked on as I grew up. When I was a
senior, in high school, I weighed 90 lbs. But I was good at dodge
ball. I stayed out in front half way between midcourt and the out of
bounds line. If we didn't win I was the last guy standing. I couldn't
throw but I learned to catch and dodge real good. I used to wear
striped shirts so I was called the bumble bee. The other tema would
spend a lot of time trying to get me. It did help with my self esteem
a bit in that I would never give up.

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Neil Cherry wrote:
>
> I was the kid who everyone picked on as I grew up. When I was a
> senior, in high school, I weighed 90 lbs. But I was good at dodge
> ball. I stayed out in front half way between midcourt and the out of
> bounds line. If we didn't win I was the last guy standing. I couldn't
> throw but I learned to catch and dodge real good. I used to wear
> striped shirts so I was called the bumble bee. The other tema would
> spend a lot of time trying to get me. It did help with my self esteem
> a bit in that I would never give up.
>


I went to school with a kid named STANLEY...now you know growing up in
a very Italian town where everyone was TONY OR VINNIE OR JOE...The name
STANLEY would get you in trouble. Well Stanley was the best dodge ball
player I ever saw. He could not swing a bat to play baseball, he was
too skinny for football and he was basically the "pocket protector
kid". Well on that dodge ball court he was "STAN THE MAN". No one
could ever get him out. Not even our best jocks. AND WE HAD ALOT OF
JOCKS IN OUR TOWN.

He discovered his talent in junior high and by High School he was
hanging with the popular kids. I will never, ever forget Little
Stanley. He had a way to dodge and weave and no one could get him out.
And Lord knows, everyone tried. In college he relized he could play
soccer. I guess all the dodging and weaving. We did not have a soccer
team in our town when he was in school, so soccer was discovered by
Stanley in college.

Your story made me think of little Stanley. I heard that he is a
Financial advisor for Smith Barney. Doing very well, I might add. In
grammar school he was shy and quiet and tried to stay out of everyones
way.....by High School....he really was "STAN THE MAN". You never know
about things.

Everyone is good at something. If you are lucky enough to find what
you do best, your self esteem rises from there. I bet there are alot
of dodge ball stories floating around. People should think before they
take it out of the school system because "someone might get hurt".
I still think it's the stairwells we should remove. ;-)
All good things,
Maggie.
REC.DODGEBALL.MISC. (I wonder if that exists) Going to find out.
 
"Claire Petersky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> I'm glad life is a series of bike rides for me. I hope it's a series of
> bike
> rides for the rest of you, too.
>


It's amazing what bits of life you see whilst out on a bike ride :)

Today, two weasels were busy making baby weasels in the middle of a quiet
lane. Quiet, that is, until yours truly cycled along & disturbed them. They
showed their displeasure by running alongside for a few yards, baring their
little teeth at my pedals. Currently the fields are full of lambs gamboling
about, and yesterday I saw several hares in fields, which was lovely.
Phesants are two-a-penny round here - they are everywhere (including my
garden) and there's always deer about.

Lovely :)

Cheers, helen s
 
"Peter Cole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Roger Zoul wrote:
> > Maggie wrote:
> > >
> > > We talked about it after watching a program called "THE

> WUSSAFICATION
> > > of AMERICA". It was a show about how we try to protect our

> children
> > > from losing, being critized, or saying or doing anything at all to

> harm
> > > their self esteem. It took this philosophy to the point where some
> > > believe we are truly contributing to "THE WUSSIFICATION OF

> AMERICA."
> > > Or as others said, "we are not preparing them to face the real

> world."
> >
> > Yep. Too damn much media attention to every damn thing and looking at

>
> > people crying on TV. We are collectively hypersensitive and want to
> > micromanage everything about our kids lives.

>
> Our young men and women seem to not be having any problems conducting
> combat operations. I think the next generation will be even better
> prepared due to a heavier, more violent TV/movie/video game diet. Heck,
> the Army even gives away a combat simulation game so that kids can get
> a head start. I don't know what we're turning out, but I don't think
> it's wussies.


Err, we haven't exactly achieved victory in Iraq, and Afghanistan is just a
tick away from chaos. But , the Afghans beat the British and the Russians,
and the Arabs have been repelling the infidel forever, so it's not
surprising.
 
"Pat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> : >>Our young men and women seem to not be having any problems conducting
> :
> : combat operations<<
> :
> : They havent subdued iraq yet!!!! ****** took poland in 3 days and
> : france in a short time. The problem is allowing and expecting to women
> : to pull their weight and contribute in a combat capacity.
>
> Dang! and here I thought there was an insurgency campaign made up mostly

of
> Sunni Muslims keeping the combat operations from being over! Things must

be
> slow in Virginia for you to blame everything on the women in the Army....
>


Sunnis? You forgot about the Shi'a, who are the radical fundamentalists. The
Shi'a are who were supposed to be liberating, but they think we're the Great
Satan. The Sunni were the ones who let women go to school, work, and kept
Iraq from being a Muslim theocracy. Duh.
 
"Maggie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Pat wrote:
> What were the so-called benefits of dodgeball? Teamwork? No. It was
> just as you said---horrific. It was just a vehicle for the bigger,
> athletic kids to
> beat up on the smaller ones. Good riddance to dodgeball!
> >
> > Pat in TX

>
> The benefits of dodgeball are simple. LIFE IS DODGEBALL. I don't know
> what kind of world we are preparing our kids for, but it is not an easy
> one. It's tough in the real world.
>

But in the real world if somebody hits you with a cheap shot you can kick
his ass. You just have to take it in dodgeball.
 
"Maggie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Everyone is good at something. If you are lucky enough to find what
> you do best, your self esteem rises from there.


Good for you, that hurting other kids raises your self-esteem, Maggie. Does
the thought of your kids hurting other kids raise your self-esteem
vicariously?

> I bet there are alot
> of dodge ball stories floating around.


Yes, and they divide neatly into "I loved it because I was big and strong
and fast enough to win" and "I hated it because it hurt and made me feel
like ****."

> People should think before they
> take it out of the school system because "someone might get hurt".


I want it out of the school system because it's barbaric. It would be no
different if boxing were mandatory and there were no weight/size divisions.

Maybe you and your kids were lucky enough to be genetically gifted with
strength and agility. The problem with dodgeball is that either it's not
optional, or the big kids (and some of the phys-ed teachers, sadly) make the
small kids feel like it's not optional, automatically labeling kids who opt
out as "wusses" and targeting them for later abuse.

You can say that kids will find a way to behave like this anyway, and it's
true. But it's the role of the school to buffer it, to stop it when
possible, and to create other models for behavior. Not to sanction it and
give it a place to fester.

> I still think it's the stairwells we should remove. ;-)


That's just stupid. Smiley or not.

Maggie, I know you're trying, but you should run some of this stuff through
some sort of filter before you post it.

RichC
 
::
: Sunnis? You forgot about the Shi'a, who are the radical fundamentalists.
The
: Shi'a are who were supposed to be liberating, but they think we're the
Great
: Satan. The Sunni were the ones who let women go to school, work, and kept
: Iraq from being a Muslim theocracy. Duh.

The Sunnis are the ones who started the Baath party and who are trying
desperately to get back into power by joining with al Quaeda in the
insurgency. The Shia are the ones who are refraining from retaliating
against the Sunni bombings of their mosques so that Iraq doesn't devolve
into a civil war. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention....

Pat in TX
:
:
 
:
: Who said anything about banning everything and anything where people can
be
: injured? Stairwells have a real purpose and people rarely get hurt on
them.
: The point of dodgeball is to cause injury. Maybe just sore skin but,
well,
: I hope you get the picture. You survived so why can't everyone else? I
: know smokers who lived long lives so I guess, by your logic, it's safe for
: everyone else.
:
: Tim

Yeah, this tirade in favor of dodgeball kinda changed into something else,
didn't it? I still say dodgeball has no redeeming qualities in the public
school system. Perhaps somebody here who went to private or parochial
schools can tell us whether dodgeball is thought to be an essential part of
the learning process in those schools.

Pat in TX
:
:
 
"Pat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> ::
> : Sunnis? You forgot about the Shi'a, who are the radical fundamentalists.
> The
> : Shi'a are who were supposed to be liberating, but they think we're the
> Great
> : Satan. The Sunni were the ones who let women go to school, work, and

kept
> : Iraq from being a Muslim theocracy. Duh.
>
> The Sunnis are the ones who started the Baath party and who are trying
> desperately to get back into power by joining with al Quaeda in the
> insurgency. The Shia are the ones who are refraining from retaliating
> against the Sunni bombings of their mosques so that Iraq doesn't devolve
> into a civil war. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention....
>
>

Perhaps you need to quit watching Fox News and realize that ALL the
insurgents who came to Iraq from outside Iraq are Shi'a. The Sunni are
moderate Muslims. The Shi'a and Wahabbiists are the radicals, and the Shi'a
are the ones we are going to turn the country over to. You know, the same
ones who are rapidly implementing a Muslim theocracy? The same ones who have
already put religious police in schools, sending female students home for
not dressing in a burka. You really don't have a clue. Iraq WILL devolve
into a Muslim theocracy, and more terrorism will come from Iraq in the
future than ever came under Saddam.
>
 
In article <[email protected]>,
"Rich Clark" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Maggie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Everyone is good at something. If you are lucky enough to find what
> > you do best, your self esteem rises from there.

>
> Good for you, that hurting other kids raises your self-esteem, Maggie. Does
> the thought of your kids hurting other kids raise your self-esteem
> vicariously?
>
> > I bet there are alot
> > of dodge ball stories floating around.

>
> Yes, and they divide neatly into "I loved it because I was big and strong
> and fast enough to win" and "I hated it because it hurt and made me feel
> like ****."


What are you talking about? I was a short, pudgy, unathletic, kid pretty
much for my entire school career. I couldn't run very fast, I couldn't
throw very hard, and I participated in zero organized sports during high
school.

But I _loved_ dodgeball. It was fun! Injuries? I don't know what
injuries you're thinking of, but at all the schools I attended we used
standard Voit rubber balls, which were soft, elastic, and pretty
low-pressure. You could get yourself way, way more messed up playing
soccer (or field lacrosse, another gym activity we did) than you could
when someone hit you with a dodgeball.

> > People should think before they
> > take it out of the school system because "someone might get hurt".

>
> I want it out of the school system because it's barbaric. It would be no
> different if boxing were mandatory and there were no weight/size divisions.


Dodgeball isn't even a contact sport. What are they using for balls in
your school? Baseballs?

> Maybe you and your kids were lucky enough to be genetically gifted with
> strength and agility. The problem with dodgeball is that either it's not
> optional, or the big kids (and some of the phys-ed teachers, sadly) make the
> small kids feel like it's not optional, automatically labeling kids who opt
> out as "wusses" and targeting them for later abuse.


Heck and tarnation: the standard advantage of small kids was that we
were hard to hit. Dodgeball probably gives more utility to small kids
than any other likely gym sport, except maybe chin-ups.

> You can say that kids will find a way to behave like this anyway, and it's
> true. But it's the role of the school to buffer it, to stop it when
> possible, and to create other models for behavior. Not to sanction it and
> give it a place to fester.
>
> > I still think it's the stairwells we should remove. ;-)

>
> That's just stupid. Smiley or not.
>
> Maggie, I know you're trying, but you should run some of this stuff through
> some sort of filter before you post it.


Fabrizio? Is that you?

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Rich Clark wrote:
> "Maggie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>

Maggie. Does the thought of your kids hurting other kids raise your
self-esteem vicariously?
> Snip
> Maggie, I know you're trying, but you should run some of this stuff

through
> some sort of filter before you post it.
>
> RichC


Ok...pick on me but not my kids. My daughter is a therapist who works
everyday with people suffering with mental illness, my oldest son is a
technician and my youngest son is in his last year of college and will
be an elementary school teacher in 2006. All three of them help
people. The thought of them helping others does make me happy.

My daughter has worked her ass off to get her masters so she can help
the mentally ill. AND SHE PLAYED DODGE BALL IN SCHOOL. I have a son
who wants to teach kids and make a difference. AND HE PLAYED DODGE
BALL IN SCHOOL.

I am damn proud of all three of them. Next time I will run my post
through a Mr. Coffee Filter or the pool filter before I inflict my
opinions.

When I played Dodge ball it was fun. I was not a great athletic.
Dodge ball was just fun. I was not thinking about hurting people, I
was thinking about the game. IT WAS FUN. I got hit more than I hit
people. Call me crazy, but it was fun.

Maybe I was used to it because I grew up in the 50's when we all played
games like stick ball and war and survived. Plus I had an over active
older brother watching me. (which led to many black eyes, cuts,
brusies and stiches from backyard games. Maybe I can't understand
someone who found dodge ball so harmful. I don't know. I remember it as
the only sport where I really had some fun, running and expending some
energy that built up while sitting in class for hours.

Today we let children vicariously kill people with that stupid x-box
but we start demonstrations regarding dodge ball. It makes no sense
to me at all.

As for my kids.....remember the story of the mother bear and back off
jack.

They were all good at dodge ball and they grew up to be fine people.
Very fine people. IMAGINE THAT. Let me go put this through the coffee
filter and hit post.
Maggie
 
Ryan Cousineau <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> "Rich Clark" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Maggie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> > Everyone is good at something. If you are lucky enough to find what
>> > you do best, your self esteem rises from there.

>>
>> Good for you, that hurting other kids raises your self-esteem, Maggie. Does
>> the thought of your kids hurting other kids raise your self-esteem
>> vicariously?
>>
>> > I bet there are alot
>> > of dodge ball stories floating around.

>>
>> Yes, and they divide neatly into "I loved it because I was big and strong
>> and fast enough to win" and "I hated it because it hurt and made me feel
>> like ****."

>
>What are you talking about? I was a short, pudgy, unathletic, kid pretty
>much for my entire school career. I couldn't run very fast, I couldn't
>throw very hard, and I participated in zero organized sports during high
>school.
>
>But I _loved_ dodgeball. It was fun! Injuries? I don't know what
>injuries you're thinking of, but at all the schools I attended we used
>standard Voit rubber balls, which were soft, elastic, and pretty
>low-pressure. You could get yourself way, way more messed up playing
>soccer (or field lacrosse, another gym activity we did) than you could
>when someone hit you with a dodgeball.


I went to school with Gordie Hershiser, younger brother of Orel, the
Dodgers' pitcher. I guess Gordie's a sportscaster now.

Gordie had a bazooka for an arm . . . and deadly aim. When he *got*
the dodgeball, everybody hit the floor. He who Gordie targeted wore a
welt for a day or so . . . at least.

Permanent damage? Doubtful. Exceptional case? Probably. But IIRC,
he never targeted me . . . and I was glad for it.
 
: >
: > The Sunnis are the ones who started the Baath party and who are trying
: > desperately to get back into power by joining with al Quaeda in the
: > insurgency. The Shia are the ones who are refraining from retaliating
: > against the Sunni bombings of their mosques so that Iraq doesn't devolve
: > into a civil war. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention....
: >
: >
: Perhaps you need to quit watching Fox News and realize that ALL the
: insurgents who came to Iraq from outside Iraq are Shi'a. The Sunni are
: moderate Muslims. The Shi'a and Wahabbiists are the radicals, and the
Shi'a
: are the ones we are going to turn the country over to. You know, the same
: ones who are rapidly implementing a Muslim theocracy? The same ones who
have
: already put religious police in schools, sending female students home for
: not dressing in a burka. You really don't have a clue. Iraq WILL devolve
: into a Muslim theocracy, and more terrorism will come from Iraq in the
: future than ever came under Saddam.

And you get all of your "inside" information from where, exactly? The Shia
are gaining control of Iraq through the ballot box. They don't need to have
an insurgency because all they need to do is....wait.
I am afraid you are the one who doesn't have a clue.

Pat in TX
: >
:
:
:
 
:
: But I _loved_ dodgeball. It was fun! Injuries? I don't know what
: injuries you're thinking of, but at all the schools I attended we used
: standard Voit rubber balls, which were soft, elastic, and pretty
: low-pressure. You could get yourself way, way more messed up playing
: soccer (or field lacrosse, another gym activity we did) than you could
: when someone hit you with a dodgeball.

In my school, the kids would get in a big circle and throw balls at each
other. There were multiple balls and they were thrown hard. People would get
hit in the face and knocked down, those balls were so hard and thrown so
fast. The little kids looked like deer in the crosshairs, and some kids
would cry. Oh, a kid could dodge one ball, but he would get hit by the other
three or four coming his way at the same time.



: Dodgeball isn't even a contact sport. What are they using for balls in
: your school? Baseballs?

They used rubber balls that were inflated tight. Real tight. And, when you
get hit by a ball, that IS contact. That's the whole point of dodgeball;
contact!

: Heck and tarnation: the standard advantage of small kids was that we
: were hard to hit. Dodgeball probably gives more utility to small kids
: than any other likely gym sport, except maybe chin-ups.

All dodgeball did at my school was give the bulllies a chance to beat up on
the small kids without repercussions from the teacher. If that's "utility",
I want no part of it.

Not everybody's experience with dodgeball was the same as yours.

Pat in TX
 
: > The benefits of dodgeball are simple. LIFE IS DODGEBALL. I don't know
: > what kind of world we are preparing our kids for, but it is not an easy
: > one. It's tough in the real world.
Maggie

: >
: But in the real world if somebody hits you with a cheap shot you can kick
: his ass. You just have to take it in dodgeball.


Yeah, and in the "real world" you don't have 20 or 30 of your peers and
friends watching you get humiliated and hurt while others laugh and taunt.
Some "game"....

Pat in TX
:
:
 
Matt O'Toole wrote:
> Pat wrote:
>
>
>>>This Wussification of our country seems to have begun when a group of
>>>people set out to take the horrific sport of dodgeball out of gym
>>>class. (Personally I loved dodgeball. It gave me permission to
>>>whack someone with a dodge ball and not get yelled at.)

>
>
>>>Now comes the part of the show that interested me. What sports do
>>>you think were considered too rough for kids, and which do you think
>>>were considered nice and comfortable for the growing child's
>>>delicate self esteem? Which sports do you think these ANTI DODGE
>>>BALL FANATICS WANT BANNED OR CHANGED?

>
>
>>I can't agree with you on the dodgeball. It sounds as if you were one
>>of those who excelled at dodgeball, but many, many kids are just used
>>as punching bags in that "sport". I was always good at it, but I
>>could see the horror and the pain--even back then--on the
>>non-athletic kids' faces. They were terrified, especially the ones
>>who wore glasses.


I was one of those kids who wore glasses and loved dodgeball, mostly
because my coach was always on the other side and it turned into a
personal war. The benefit (for me) was that I had a number of friends
who joined me in making the coach the primary target. He never sat out
any of these games and it was great sport to nail the coach where it
counted.

What were the so-called benefits of dodgeball?
>>Teamwork? No. It was just as you said---horrific. It was just a
>>vehicle for the bigger, athletic kids to beat up on the smaller ones.
>>Good riddance to dodgeball!


It is true, the country is turning into wusses.
>
>
> Pat, I agree with Maggie in general, but I agree with you about dodgeball. It
> was nothing more than a gym teacher sanctioned hazing ritual, which usually
> resulted in meeker kids going to the nurse's office with bloody (or broken)
> noses.


There were also plenty of broken noses from fighting too, or has
everyone forgotten how high school worked?

ISTR a few concussions too, from point blank shots taken off court when
> the gym teacher wasn't looking. **** like this is bound to put some kids off
> exercise forever -- unfortunately the kids who probably need it the most.
>
> Taken to the other extreme though, now we have this:
>
> http://worldsportstackingassociation.org/index.htm
>
> This is actually considered a sport, as part of the physical education
> curriculum! It was featured on NPR the other day.


I still consider it a sport, rough maybe, but a sport that teaches
reflexes and watching out not only for yourself but also a good
opportunity for a shot at someone, in my case the teacher. People can
get killed in football, baseball, or other contact sports, but I never
heard of it in dodgeball.
Bill Baka
>
> Matt O.
>
>
 
"Pat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> : >
> : > The Sunnis are the ones who started the Baath party and who are trying
> : > desperately to get back into power by joining with al Quaeda in the
> : > insurgency. The Shia are the ones who are refraining from retaliating
> : > against the Sunni bombings of their mosques so that Iraq doesn't

devolve
> : > into a civil war. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention....
> : >
> : >
> : Perhaps you need to quit watching Fox News and realize that ALL the
> : insurgents who came to Iraq from outside Iraq are Shi'a. The Sunni are
> : moderate Muslims. The Shi'a and Wahabbiists are the radicals, and the
> Shi'a
> : are the ones we are going to turn the country over to. You know, the

same
> : ones who are rapidly implementing a Muslim theocracy? The same ones who
> have
> : already put religious police in schools, sending female students home

for
> : not dressing in a burka. You really don't have a clue. Iraq WILL devolve
> : into a Muslim theocracy, and more terrorism will come from Iraq in the
> : future than ever came under Saddam.
>
> And you get all of your "inside" information from where, exactly? The Shia
> are gaining control of Iraq through the ballot box. They don't need to

have
> an insurgency because all they need to do is....wait.
> I am afraid you are the one who doesn't have a clue.


Sigh....just exactly who do you think Al Qaeda, Islamic Jihad, and the other
terrorist groups are? Shi'a, that's who. They are the ones in Saudi, they
are the ones in Iran. The Iraq/Iran war was fought to keep the Islamic
fundamentalist Shi'a from taking over Iraq. Now we're going to hand it over,
and give Iraq's huge oil reserves TO THE TERRORISTS. Nice. Smart.
Unbelievable.
 
Pat wrote:
There were multiple balls and they were thrown hard. People would get
> hit in the face and knocked down, those balls were so hard and thrown

so
> fast. The little kids looked like deer in the crosshairs, and some

kids
> would cry. Oh, a kid could dodge one ball, but he would get hit by

the other
> three or four coming his way at the same time.
>
> Pat in TX


That must have been TEXAS DODGEBALL....because it sure wasn't Jersey
Dodgeball. We had two teams, one ball (which was not hard as a rock)
and a gym teacher standing there... watching the game.

Maybe Dodgeball was just a game in my school whereas in other schools
it is akin to a torture chamber.

I just know the dodgeball I grew up with....and in gym class, it was
alot easier than it was outside playing in the lot with the
neighborhood kids. There it was ruthless. It was SLAM AND KILL BALL.

Maybe that's why dodgeball in gym seemed fun and easy. I guess it all
depends on how you grew up. Maybe it depends also on what kind of games
you played after school. We played rough, kids were tough. I never felt
I would get hurt in gym class, but I had no idea if I would live
playing games in the lot after school. I am beginning to think this is
more about feeling ridiculed than actually getting hurt.

My kids had numerous injuries in football, baseball, basketball and
track. Not one had a dodgeball related injury.

And as far as being humiliated, I was terrible at girls softball.
There is nothing more humiliating than standing up to bat and striking
out EVERY TIME.

I grew up in the day when the captains picked the teams in gym. What
the hell is more humiliating than always being picked last for girls
softball.

Should we get rid of softball in gym class because some people have to
stand at bat and strike out because they stink at the game. Plus they
know they will always be picked last. Maybe we should just get rid of
gym altogether, so no one is ever humiliated. Maybe gym should be an
elective and only the athletic kids would choose to participate.

If Dodgeball was different in other states, then excuse me. But when I
grew up, it was played with one ball, which was never inflated well,
and two teams. And the skinny smaller kids always had an advantage.
They moved faster.

How the hell did this thread turn into dodgeball? Oh I remember, I saw
a show on the WUSSIFICATION of AMERICA. Maybe the damn show was true.
Before all this, I thought it wasn't.

Peace.
Maggie - Liked dodgeball, nothing will change that.
 

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