Conversion from atkins to w.w.

Discussion in 'Food and nutrition' started by John, Mar 3, 2004.

  1. John

    John Guest

    I have been on the Atkins diet for a while. Lost a good bit of wieght but decided to try Weight
    Watchers for a change of pace and more variety. I have no problems with this diet, as a mater of
    fact I really like this diet.I love fruits and eating a couple of grapefruits a day. Here is my
    delimma. My points are 28 points a day, Alot of days I have only been eating 22 or 23. I have never
    gone over the 28 points. My usual daily eating routine is Oatmeal in the morning, around 10:00 am I
    eat a grapefruit. Usually a small Wendy's Chili at lunch. Then a smartones meal at night with green
    beans and maybe some Corn on the cob. Might snack on a bag of popcorn at night and I always eat a
    apple right before bed. I love my apple at night. I have gained 2 pounds since I have been on this
    diet. I really like it but I sure did not want to gain wieght. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
     
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  2. Welcome to the group John. It sounds like you may not be eating enough. Try eating at least your 28
    points and drink your water. I know it sounds kind of scary, but try it for two or three weeks, it
    works! If you feel as though you aren't able to eat any more than you arenow , try adding olive oil,
    or nuts to your diet to increase your points to 28. Good luck!

    Brenda

    "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > I have been on the Atkins diet for a while. Lost a good bit of wieght but decided to try Weight
    > Watchers for a change of pace and more variety. I
    have
    > no problems with this diet, as a mater of fact I really like this diet.I love fruits and eating a
    > couple of grapefruits a day. Here is my delimma.
    My
    > points are 28 points a day, Alot of days I have only been eating 22 or 23.
    I
    > have never gone over the 28 points. My usual daily eating routine is
    Oatmeal
    > in the morning, around 10:00 am I eat a grapefruit. Usually a small
    Wendy's
    > Chili at lunch. Then a smartones meal at night with green beans and maybe some Corn on the cob.
    > Might snack on a bag of popcorn at night and I
    always
    > eat a apple right before bed. I love my apple at night. I have gained 2 pounds since I have been
    > on this diet. I really like it but I sure did not want to gain wieght. Any ideas? Thanks in
    > advance.
     
  3. Fred

    Fred Guest

    You don't say how long you've been trying WW? Nor how long ago you may have stopped Atkins.

    I am not a nutritionist but theories of Atkins are that a lot of water weight is lost when the sugar
    stores in your body are depleted and when you first start up with carbs/sugars your body might
    reverse that process and retain water to store the sugars. So it might take a bit to balance out
    those changes.

    WW does encourage folks, as Brenda suggests, to eat their minimum points. Altho, one week of less
    probably would not kill the entire diet and you may need to adjust to this new way of eating.

    I tried Atkins about 4 years ago. Frankly, I did lose weight on it but I could not give up fruits
    mostly and I had no energy to hike. And what is interesting, is that on WW, I lost weight just as
    quickly as Atkins those first weeks.

    WW does work. Portion control is an important element.

    Good luck

    Fred
    219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime July 2003) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

    On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:53:06 -0600, "John" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I have been on the Atkins diet for a while. Lost a good bit of wieght but decided to try Weight
    >Watchers for a change of pace and more variety. I have no problems with this diet, as a mater of
    >fact I really like this diet.I love fruits and eating a couple of grapefruits a day. Here is my
    >delimma. My points are 28 points a day, Alot of days I have only been eating 22 or 23. I have never
    >gone over the 28 points. My usual daily eating routine is Oatmeal in the morning, around 10:00 am I
    >eat a grapefruit. Usually a small Wendy's Chili at lunch. Then a smartones meal at night with green
    >beans and maybe some Corn on the cob. Might snack on a bag of popcorn at night and I always eat a
    >apple right before bed. I love my apple at night. I have gained 2 pounds since I have been on this
    >diet. I really like it but I sure did not want to gain wieght. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
     
  4. Joyce

    Joyce Guest

    Welcome to the group, John. I'm hoping our resident expert (Ray, I think???) will come along and
    explain things to you - as I know I'm going to botch it all up in the process. But I'll try anyway
    (and just confuse the heck out of you). <Grin>

    It is not uncommon when changing from atkins to ww, to at first see an increase in your weight -
    actually it is expected. I believe it has something to do with the ketosis process that the body
    goes into when on the high protein diet ... sugars being converted into something, or muscles/body
    getting rid of extra stores. Within a few weeks of sticking to the newer plan, you should start
    seeing a decrease once again.

    Secondly, It sounds to me like you may not be eating enough - especially if you are also
    exercising. Believe it or not, you do have to eat to lose weight. If you consistently eat low,
    you're body will go into starvation mode - thus hanging onto every possible ounce it can in an
    attempt to keep things functioning. Whenever I got stuck, I went back to review things ... added a
    bit more *good* food and after a week or so the declines started up again. Also cutting too far
    back on fats can have an adverse effect on weightloss ... another thing I am very guilty of. Add
    good fats (olive oils, fishes, etc.) and you may also see more of a decline. If your usual routine
    includes that daily wendy's chili and frozen prepared dinner, chances are your sodium levels are
    much higher - which will cause you to retain water, thus upping the scale results. Any way you can
    get away from the prepared meals and instead fix yourself fresher meals? The change of pace will be
    good for the system.

    Like I said, hopefully one of the guys will follow along shortly and give you better
    information as to what your body is currently going through. Keep the chin up though, it is
    only a temporary increase.

    Joyce

    On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:53:06 -0600, "John" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I have been on the Atkins diet for a while. Lost a good bit of wieght but decided to try Weight
    >Watchers for a change of pace and more variety. I have no problems with this diet, as a mater of
    >fact I really like this diet.I love fruits and eating a couple of grapefruits a day. Here is my
    >delimma. My points are 28 points a day, Alot of days I have only been eating 22 or 23. I have never
    >gone over the 28 points. My usual daily eating routine is Oatmeal in the morning, around 10:00 am I
    >eat a grapefruit. Usually a small Wendy's Chili at lunch. Then a smartones meal at night with green
    >beans and maybe some Corn on the cob. Might snack on a bag of popcorn at night and I always eat a
    >apple right before bed. I love my apple at night. I have gained 2 pounds since I have been on this
    >diet. I really like it but I sure did not want to gain wieght. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
     
  5. Joyce

    Joyce Guest

    My oldest girl was on Atkins, started at the same time I started WW. I lost more weight than she did
    (actually had more to lose) and reached my goal. She gave up before reaching her goal, said she got
    to the point she missed too many foods, and started having horrible cravings. I won't say one is
    better than the other, guess it is finding which program works best for each individual .. on a
    permanent basis. I know myself and my daughter, could not follow a lifetime of the Atkins
    philosophy.

    Joyce

    On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 22:17:10 -0800, Fred <[email protected]> wrote:

    <snipped>
    >
    >I tried Atkins about 4 years ago. Frankly, I did lose weight on it but I could not give up fruits
    >mostly and I had no energy to hike. And what is interesting, is that on WW, I lost weight just as
    >quickly as Atkins those first weeks.
    >
    >WW does work. Portion control is an important element.
    >
    >Good luck
    >
    >Fred
    >219.2/160./164.0 (Lifetime July 2003) Started WW: Oct 29, 2002
    >
    >
    >
    >On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:53:06 -0600, "John" <jfoster1nspa[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>I have been on the Atkins diet for a while. Lost a good bit of wieght but decided to try Weight
    >>Watchers for a change of pace and more variety. I have no problems with this diet, as a mater of
    >>fact I really like this diet.I love fruits and eating a couple of grapefruits a day. Here is my
    >>delimma. My points are 28 points a day, Alot of days I have only been eating 22 or 23. I have
    >>never gone over the 28 points. My usual daily eating routine is Oatmeal in the morning, around
    >>10:00 am I eat a grapefruit. Usually a small Wendy's Chili at lunch. Then a smartones meal at
    >>night with green beans and maybe some Corn on the cob. Might snack on a bag of popcorn at night
    >>and I always eat a apple right before bed. I love my apple at night. I have gained 2 pounds since
    >>I have been on this diet. I really like it but I sure did not want to gain wieght. Any ideas?
    >>Thanks in advance.
     
  6. first of all, coming from low carb to WW will cause some weight fluctuation.
    Second you MUST eat your target to lose, I know, I have trouble eating my
    points most days, but it must be done to keep your body out of starvation
    mode. Third, WW is not a diet in the traditional sense. It is a way of
    eating that you work with until you can live with it for life, Welcome to
    the group and best of luck, Lee
    John <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I have been on the Atkins diet for a while. Lost a good bit of wieght but decided to try Weight
    > Watchers for a change of pace and more variety. I
    have
    > no problems with this diet, as a mater of fact I really like this diet.I love fruits and eating a
    > couple of grapefruits a day. Here is my delimma.
    My
    > points are 28 points a day, Alot of days I have only been eating 22 or 23.
    I
    > have never gone over the 28 points. My usual daily eating routine is
    Oatmeal
    > in the morning, around 10:00 am I eat a grapefruit. Usually a small
    Wendy's
    > Chili at lunch. Then a smartones meal at night with green beans and maybe some Corn on the cob.
    > Might snack on a bag of popcorn at night and I
    always
    > eat a apple right before bed. I love my apple at night. I have gained 2 pounds since I have been
    > on this diet. I really like it but I sure did not want to gain wieght. Any ideas? Thanks in
    > advance.
     
  7. Marc Heimann

    Marc Heimann Guest

    John wrote:

    > I have gained 2 pounds since I have been on this diet. I really like it but I sure did not want to
    > gain wieght. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
    >

    As mentioned before, that is most likely water retention do to the return of carbohydrates into
    your diet.

    Keep going for a while and see how your body react.

    Cheers Marc
     
  8. Becki

    Becki Guest

    welcome to the group john :)
    "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I have been on the Atkins diet for a while. Lost a good bit of wieght but decided to try Weight
    > Watchers for a change of pace and more variety. I
    have
    > no problems with this diet, as a mater of fact I really like this diet.I love fruits and eating a
    > couple of grapefruits a day. Here is my delimma.
    My
    > points are 28 points a day, Alot of days I have only been eating 22 or 23.
    I
    > have never gone over the 28 points. My usual daily eating routine is
    Oatmeal
    > in the morning, around 10:00 am I eat a grapefruit. Usually a small
    Wendy's
    > Chili at lunch. Then a smartones meal at night with green beans and maybe some Corn on the cob.
    > Might snack on a bag of popcorn at night and I
    always
    > eat a apple right before bed. I love my apple at night. I have gained 2 pounds since I have been
    > on this diet. I really like it but I sure did not want to gain wieght. Any ideas? Thanks in
    > advance.
    >
    >

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  9. Ray Miller

    Ray Miller Guest

    On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 00:46:47 -0600, Joyce <[email protected]> wrote:

    >It is not uncommon when changing from atkins to ww, to at first see an increase in your weight -
    >actually it is expected. I believe it has something to do with the ketosis process that the body
    >goes into when on the high protein diet ... sugars being converted into something, or muscles/body
    >getting rid of extra stores. Within a few weeks of sticking to the newer plan, you should start
    >seeing a decrease once again.

    Hehe. I'm no expert but I do like to research things. If you want to know all about this stuff
    google for "lyle Mcdonald ud2" The UD2 diet is a cyclic ketogenic diet that is extremely complicated
    but very effective.

    When you do Atkins the body goes into ketosis. One important aspect of this is that the glycogen in
    the muscles is depleted. Glycogen is associated with a lot of water, so you lose up to about 10
    pounds of water (and glycogen) in the first fortnight. Unfortunately when you come off atkins and
    start eating carbs again the glycogen is immediately restored along with the water, and you put on a
    good few pounds in a few days. This makes it seem like atkins is really good and ww is really bad.
    Interestingly this lack of glycogen is why Fred found that he didn't have energy for hiking.

    As others have said, you should eat your points. There are some good ways to add a few calories
    without hassle. Add olive oil to your cooking or if you want to go the whole 10 yards eat peanut
    butter sandwiches!

    Ray
    --
    rmnsuk
    273/202/182
     
  10. John

    John Guest

    Thanks to everyone that answered my post. I lost a ton of wieght on Atkins, but I just am so tired
    of it. I don't think Atkins would be as freindly as far as maintenance. I don't even feel I am on a
    diet now. I can eat so many more things than I could on Atkins. I love fruit and missed it so much.
    I was eating very little on atkins and guess I got use to not taking in much. Thanks again to
    everyone that took the time to answer.
     
  11. Skiur

    Skiur Guest

    Welcome John!

    I'm a former LCer, and missed the fruits and veggies

    Julie "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I have been on the Atkins diet for a while. Lost a good bit of wieght but decided to try Weight
    > Watchers for a change of pace and more variety. I
    have
    > no problems with this diet, as a mater of fact I really like this diet.I love fruits and eating a
    > couple of grapefruits a day. Here is my delimma.
    My
    > points are 28 points a day, Alot of days I have only been eating 22 or 23.
    I
    > have never gone over the 28 points. My usual daily eating routine is
    Oatmeal
    > in the morning, around 10:00 am I eat a grapefruit. Usually a small
    Wendy's
    > Chili at lunch. Then a smartones meal at night with green beans and maybe some Corn on the cob.
    > Might snack on a bag of popcorn at night and I
    always
    > eat a apple right before bed. I love my apple at night. I have gained 2 pounds since I have been
    > on this diet. I really like it but I sure did not want to gain wieght. Any ideas? Thanks in
    > advance.
     
  12. best of luck, Lee
    John <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > Thanks to everyone that answered my post. I lost a ton of wieght on
    Atkins,
    > but I just am so tired of it. I don't think Atkins would be as freindly as far as maintenance. I
    > don't even feel I am on a diet now. I can eat so
    many
    > more things than I could on Atkins. I love fruit and missed it so much. I was eating very little
    > on atkins and guess I got use to not taking in
    much.
    > Thanks again to everyone that took the time to answer.
    > >
    >
     
  13. Fred

    Fred Guest

    On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:22:13 GMT, ray miller
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 00:46:47 -0600, Joyce <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>It is not uncommon when changing from atkins to ww, to at first see an increase in your weight -
    >>actually it is expected. I believe it has something to do with the ketosis process that the body
    >>goes into when on the high protein diet ... sugars being converted into something, or muscles/body
    >>getting rid of extra stores. Within a few weeks of sticking to the newer plan, you should start
    >>seeing a decrease once again.
    >
    >Hehe. I'm no expert but I do like to research things. If you want to know all about this stuff
    >google for "lyle Mcdonald ud2" The UD2 diet is a cyclic ketogenic diet that is extremely
    >complicated but very effective.
    >
    >When you do Atkins the body goes into ketosis. One important aspect of this is that the glycogen in
    >the muscles is depleted. Glycogen is associated with a lot of water, so you lose up to about 10
    >pounds of water (and glycogen) in the first fortnight. Unfortunately when you come off atkins and
    >start eating carbs again the glycogen is immediately restored along with the water, and you put on
    >a good few pounds in a few days. This makes it seem like atkins is really good and ww is really
    >bad. Interestingly this lack of glycogen is why Fred found that he didn't have energy for hiking.

    It was definitely too noticeable. And one of the reasons Atkins had to fall by the wayside for me.
    And at that time, asking in the Atkins (no carb???) newsgroup never did get me satisfactory answers.
    As here, some folks have a bit of trouble picturing the level of intensity of some of my "weekend
    warrior" stuff and I think also picturing someone obese doing that level of stuff!!! But, at least,
    with WW, you can eat carbs. So I can get energy foods to kick in. But in no-carbs, there was just no
    real help - now, that may have changed but at that time, I got no help.

    >As others have said, you should eat your points. There are some good ways to add a few calories
    >without hassle. Add olive oil to your cooking or if you want to go the whole 10 yards eat peanut
    >butter sandwiches!

    Or add flax oil to cereal - altho, it does flavor things a bit (too much). At 3 points a TBL, it
    adds up quickly. (I think oil is 3 pts/Tbl)

    >Ray
     
  14. Pflagler1

    Pflagler1 Guest

    >I have been on the Atkins diet for a while. Lost a good bit
    >of wieght but decided to try Weight Watchers for a change
    >of pace and more variety

    Hi John,

    I just switched from Atkins yesterday. I have had good
    success with WW before and I had hit the dreaded plateau on
    Atkins that no amount of "tweaking" was changing. I really
    have no good advice on how long it takes for the
    water/glycogen issue to resolve. I just wanted to say hello
    and "me, too" and wish you all the best.

    Patty Belle
    177/177/157
     
  15. Pflagler1

    Pflagler1 Guest

    >I have been on the Atkins diet for a while. Lost a good bit
    >of wieght but decided to try Weight Watchers for a change
    >of pace and more variety

    Hi John,

    I just switched from Atkins yesterday. I have had good
    success with WW before and I had hit the dreaded plateau on
    Atkins that no amount of "tweaking" was changing. I really
    have no good advice on how long it takes for the
    water/glycogen issue to resolve. I just wanted to say hello
    and "me, too" and wish you all the best.

    Patty Belle
    177/177/157
     
  16. Pflagler1

    Pflagler1 Guest

    >I have been on the Atkins diet for a while. Lost a good bit
    >of wieght but decided to try Weight Watchers for a change
    >of pace and more variety

    Hi John,

    I just switched from Atkins yesterday. I have had good
    success with WW before and I had hit the dreaded plateau on
    Atkins that no amount of "tweaking" was changing. I really
    have no good advice on how long it takes for the
    water/glycogen issue to resolve. I just wanted to say hello
    and "me, too" and wish you all the best.

    Patty Belle
    177/177/157
     
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