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Quoted message said:

Here are test results from my 44 lb. 7 year old Autistic
son. His hair test shows very high copper, but his Copper
Serum and Ceruloplasmin is within range. Do you think I
should have him further tested to rule out Wilson's
disease? I don't know why the hair test shows such high
amounts, and if its means that its being excreted via the
hair, or if its in the brain, thus the hair results? Any
insight on what I should do for him would be appreciated.
He is currently taking the following supplements:
Vit. C (Ascorbic Acid) 850 mg day Pyridoxine (Vit b6) 300
mg day Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate 60 mg day Vit b-12
(Methyl) 1000 mcg day Molybdenum 100 mg day (but I
have increased starting today to 800 mg after reading
that it may lower copper) Zinc Picolinate 78 mg
Manganese (Gluconate) 10 mg Vit E 250 IU Cal/Mag
200/200 mg End of supplements Test Results: Test date
4-7-2004 Elemental Analysis -Hair - Copper was at 140,
with a reference range of 9.0-30.0, Test date 8-21-
2003 Elemental Analysis -Hair - Copper was at 71, with
a reference range of
9.-30.0, Copper, Serum = 92 ug/dL, with a limits range of
70-155. (I was told that it should be close to 110 to be
considered OK Ceruloplasmin was 19.1 mg/dL with a
reference range of 16.2 - 35.6 Test date 1-14-2003
Elemental Analysis -Hair - Copper was at 28.9, with a
reference range of 9.0-23.0, Copper, Serum = 117 ug/dL,
with a limits range of 70-155. (I was told that it should
be close to 110 to be considered OK. Ceruloplasmin was
23.1 mg/dL with a reference range of 16.2 - 35.6 Test
date 5-10-2002 Elemental Analysis -Hair - Copper was at
23, with a reference range of
8.-16.0, Please reply to [email hidden] Thanks in
advance, DebbieG

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Quoted message said:

Here are test results from my 44 lb. 7 year old Autistic
son. His hair test shows very high copper, but his Copper
Serum and Ceruloplasmin is within range. Do you think I
should have him further tested to rule out Wilson's
disease?

He's already had that testing, IMHO, as his serum copper and
ceruloplasmin have been measured.

Quoted message said:

I don't know why the hair test shows such high amounts,
and if its means that its being excreted via the hair, or
if its in the brain, thus the hair results?

It could mean nothing more than you have copper pipes in
your home. Hair records not only its environment when it was
formed, but its environment thereafter. Washing his hair in
copper-containing water could explain everything. Whatever
might be in his hair from his blood is totally confounded by
whatever might be deposited on his hair from the external
environment. The valid measures are the blood measures.

Focus on this:

Quoted message said:

Molybdenum 100 mg day (but I have increased starting today
to 800 mg after reading that it may lower copper) Zinc
Picolinate 78 mg

That level of zinc intake is already sufficient to suppress
copper uptake in a 150 lb. adult. I'm certain it's
suppressing copper intake in your 44 lb. boy. If you look at
the blood tests, the copper indexes are already both falling
over time. If you don't back off on copper-suppressing
minerals, you'll put him out-of-range low, if he isn't
already. You only report hair analysis the last time around.

Quoted message said:

Test date 8-21-2003 Copper, Serum = 92 ug/dL, with a
limits range of 70-155. (I was told that it should be
close to 110 to be considered OK Ceruloplasmin was 19.1
mg/dL with a reference range of 16.2 - 35.6

Quoted message said:

Test date 1-14-2003 Copper, Serum = 117 ug/dL, with a
limits range of 70-155. (I was told that it should be
close to 110 to be considered OK. Ceruloplasmin was 23.1
mg/dL with a reference range of 16.2 - 35.6

Larry, Thanks for responding. Here is the hair results. And,
yes, we have new copper pipes (unfortunately), but he does
like to drink the water while bathing/getting wet which is
why I'm worrying. Should I repeat the blood tests to be
safe? He takes high zinc, because its a catalyst for the
Amino Acids protocol he takes. If you have any more input,
please don't hesitate to respond. Thanks.

Hair Test Results: Test date 4-7-2004 Elemental Analysis -
Hair - Copper was at 140, with a reference range of 9.0-
30.0. Test date 8-21-2003 Elemental Analysis -Hair - Copper
was at 71, with a reference range of
9.-30.0, Test date 1-14-2003 Elemental Analysis -Hair -
Copper was at 28.9, with a reference range of 9.0-23.0,
Test date 5-10-2002 Elemental Analysis -Hair - Copper was
at 23, with a reference range of
10.-16.0

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Quoted message said:

Here are test results from my 44 lb. 7 year old Autistic
son. His hair test shows very high copper, but his
Copper Serum and Ceruloplasmin is within range. Do you
think I should have him further tested to rule out
Wilson's disease?

He's already had that testing, IMHO, as his serum copper
and ceruloplasmin have been measured.

Quoted message said:

I don't know why the hair test shows such high amounts,
and if its means that its being excreted via the hair,
or if its in the brain, thus the hair results?

It could mean nothing more than you have copper pipes in
your home. Hair records not only its environment when it
was formed, but its environment thereafter. Washing his
hair in copper-containing water could explain everything.
Whatever might be in his hair from his blood is totally
confounded by whatever might be deposited on his hair from
the external environment. The valid measures are the blood
measures.

Focus on this:

Quoted message said:

Molybdenum 100 mg day (but I have increased starting
today to 800 mg after reading that it may lower copper)
Zinc Picolinate 78 mg

That level of zinc intake is already sufficient to
suppress copper uptake in a 150 lb. adult. I'm certain
it's suppressing copper intake in your 44 lb. boy. If you
look at the blood tests, the copper indexes are already
both falling over time. If you don't back off on copper-
suppressing minerals, you'll put him out-of-range low, if
he isn't already. You only report hair analysis the last
time around.

Quoted message said:

Test date 8-21-2003 Copper, Serum = 92 ug/dL, with a
limits range of 70-155. (I was told that it should be
close to 110 to be considered OK Ceruloplasmin was 19.1
mg/dL with a reference range of 16.2 - 35.6

Quoted message said:

Test date 1-14-2003 Copper, Serum = 117 ug/dL, with a
limits range of 70-155. (I was told that it should be
close to 110 to be considered OK. Ceruloplasmin was 23.1
mg/dL with a reference range of 16.2 - 35.6