Council removing cycle racks *grumble*

Discussion in 'UK and Europe' started by David Nutter, Aug 27, 2003.

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  1. David Nutter

    David Nutter Guest

    Durham's premier den of drink related vice and iniquity, to wit North Road, has recently been tarted
    up with new paving stones, resurfaced road and amazing telescopic urinals for revellers wholly
    unable to contain themselves. Unfortunately the wretched council have removed and not replaced the
    cycle racks that used to be outside the Safeway store there, meaning folk with bulging panniers (me)
    have to walk up to the other end of the road and dodge kamikaze buses to get to the racks behind the
    bus station.

    All this wouldn't annoy quite so much if they hadn't publicised their languishing cycling policy[1]
    last month in their newsletter, with great fanfare. Grr...

    I have written to the County Council about it. Let's see if they will reply with something
    constructive.

    Regards,

    -david of the stretched arms

    [1] A rather excellent example of its kind, on paper at least. One has seen very little *action*
    unfortunately...
     
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  2. In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > Durham's premier den of drink related vice and iniquity, to wit North Road, has recently been
    > tarted up with new paving stones, resurfaced road and amazing telescopic urinals for revellers
    > wholly unable to contain themselves. Unfortunately the wretched council have removed and not
    > replaced the cycle racks that used to be outside the Safeway store there, meaning folk with
    > bulging panniers (me) have to walk up to the other end of the road and dodge kamikaze buses to get
    > to the racks behind the bus station.

    I noticed the racks being ripped out and wondered if they'd re-appear.

    I have never quite understood the racks at the back of the bus station. To get to them does one have
    to cycle into the bus station?

    > All this wouldn't annoy quite so much if they hadn't publicised their languishing cycling
    > policy[1] last month in their newsletter, with great fanfare. Grr...
    >
    > I have written to the County Council about it. Let's see if they will reply with something
    > constructive.

    Is there a particular person to whom I can address my complaint?

    Colin
     
  3. Sabineuk

    Sabineuk Guest

    David Nutter [email protected] said:

    >Unfortunately the wretched council have removed and not replaced the cycle racks that used to be
    >outside the Safeway store [Durham]

    >I have written to the County Council about it. Let's see if they will reply with something
    >constructive.

    I suggest writing to the customer relations manager at Safeway, pointing out how much you spend to
    bulge your panniers and how convenient A.N. Other store with better bicycle parking could become,
    despite its greater distance etc etc.

    On the other hand, you could just start going to Tesco on the entirely reasonable grounds that
    Safeway is shit.

    John
     
  4. In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > David Nutter [email protected] said:
    >
    > >Unfortunately the wretched council have removed and not replaced the cycle racks that used to be
    > >outside the Safeway store [Durham]
    >
    > >I have written to the County Council about it. Let's see if they will reply with something
    > >constructive.
    >
    > I suggest writing to the customer relations manager at Safeway, pointing out how much you spend to
    > bulge your panniers and how convenient A.N. Other store with better bicycle parking could become,
    > despite its greater distance etc etc.
    >
    > On the other hand, you could just start going to Tesco on the entirely reasonable grounds that
    > Safeway is shit.

    You don't get much choice in central Durham.

    Colin
     
  5. Andy Dingley

    Andy Dingley Guest

    On 28 Aug 2003 00:30:31 GMT, [email protected] (SabineUK) wrote:

    >I suggest writing to the customer relations manager at Safeway, pointing out how much you spend to
    >bulge your panniers and how convenient A.N. Other store with better bicycle parking could become,

    BTDT. Our local Safeway has the crappy wheel-only bike racks. If you lock a bike to the huge steel
    corral railings, their johnny-no-stars collecting trollies use it for target practice.

    I _did_ get a reply, at least. Apparently people don't use bicycles to go shopping. So we're
    insignificant and can be ignored.

    Well, he's half right - I no longer cycle to go shopping at Safeways.
     
  6. Chris French

    Chris French Guest

    In message <[email protected]>, Andy Dingley
    <[email protected]> writes
    >On 28 Aug 2003 00:30:31 GMT, [email protected] (SabineUK) wrote:
    >
    >>I suggest writing to the customer relations manager at Safeway, pointing out how much you spend to
    >>bulge your panniers and how convenient A.N. Other store with better bicycle parking could become,
    >
    >BTDT. Our local Safeway has the crappy wheel-only bike racks
    >
    >I _did_ get a reply, at least. Apparently people don't use bicycles to go shopping.

    Very few people do in comparison to using cars

    >So we're insignificant and can be ignored.
    >
    From a business POV surely that's correct though, given the many thousands of customers a
    supermarket probably has in week, then the few of us that go on bike are insignificant.

    >Well, he's half right - I no longer cycle to go shopping at Safeways.
    >
    IME very few people do go shopping with their bikes though -whether there are cycle stands
    etc. or not.

    The Sainbury's near us (Moor Allerton in North Leeds) was rebuilt a few years ago. They put in a
    load (15 maybe more?) of Sheffield stands, at the front of the store - I think they might be covered
    by the roof as well.

    Rarely do I see other bikes locked up there. Ok this is on the Ring road which is a busy dual
    carriageway there. Built there are plenty of houses nearby that have easy access to the store.

    I've seen similar at other supermarkets
    --
    Chris French, Leeds
     
  7. David Hansen

    David Hansen Guest

    On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:41:32 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be David Nutter <[email protected]>
    wrote this:-

    >I have written to the County Council about it. Let's see if they will reply with something
    >constructive.

    How about writing to a local paper about it?

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked
    keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.
     
  8. Dwb

    Dwb Guest

    "chris French" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > The Sainbury's near us (Moor Allerton in North Leeds) was rebuilt a few years ago. They put in a
    > load (15 maybe more?) of Sheffield stands, at the front of the store - I think they might be
    > covered by the roof as well.
    >
    > Rarely do I see other bikes locked up there. Ok this is on the Ring road which is a busy dual
    > carriageway there. Built there are plenty of houses nearby that have easy access to the store.

    Tesco near me (Didcot) has cycle racks - and usually quite a few cycles in them - especially
    on weekends.
     
  9. Andy Dingley

    Andy Dingley Guest

    On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:46:35 +0100, chris French <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>I _did_ get a reply, at least. Apparently people don't use bicycles to go shopping.
    >
    >Very few people do in comparison to using cars

    I accept that few people do shop by bike, but that's an argument for not needing large racks, rather
    than ignoring them or offering poor quality ones.

    I spend all my driving time going shopping. Almost literally. I own a car, and I use it once a week
    to go to the supermarket, or to move bulky furniture (which I do fairly often, as I make the stuff).
    Anything else I do by bike; commuting, visiting, generally travelling around town. My car mileage is
    asbsolutely minimal.

    But every few days I want a pint of milk, or a bar of chocolate, while I'm on my way by bike past
    the supermarket (and Safeways borders onto
    it). I don't go to the shop, because they don't have bike racks. And when I go for the big weekly
    shop, then I certainly don't go back to _that_ shop.

    For the cost of a bike rack, my convenient local supermarket where I could buy my interchangeable
    global brands, has lost my custom to a rival.

    Incidentally, local Tesco and Safeways have minimal bike racking, but it's usable.
     
  10. Sabineuk

    Sabineuk Guest

    chris French [email protected] said:

    >>I _did_ get a reply, at least. Apparently people don't use bicycles to go shopping.
    >
    >Very few people do in comparison to using cars
    >
    >>So we're insignificant and can be ignored.
    >>
    > From a business POV surely that's correct though, given the many thousands of customers a
    > supermarket probably has in week, then the few of us that go on bike are insignificant.

    But it's not just about catering to punters, though given supermarket profit margins I can't imagine
    that the cost of half a dozen Sheffield racks would take long to make back.

    Any business worth its salt these days will have an environmental policy that at least pays
    lip-service to sustainability - if they want to be seen to be green, acquiescing in the removal of
    bike racks is a step, albeit small, in the wrong direction.

    John
     
  11. Tim Hall

    Tim Hall Guest

    On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:08:47 +0100, Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On 28 Aug 2003 00:30:31 GMT, [email protected] (SabineUK) wrote:
    >
    >>I suggest writing to the customer relations manager at Safeway, pointing out how much you spend to
    >>bulge your panniers and how convenient A.N. Other store with better bicycle parking could become,
    >
    >BTDT. Our local Safeway has the crappy wheel-only bike racks.

    Our Homebase goes one better. It has crappy wheel-only racks mounted on a wall, at the foot of which
    is sloping brick thing, so the wheel rolls back out of the rack.

    Tim
    --
    In space no one can eat ice cream
     
  12. Marc

    Marc Guest

    Tim Hall <[email protected]> wrote:

    > >
    > >>I suggest writing to the customer relations manager at Safeway, pointing out how much you spend
    > >>to bulge your panniers and how convenient A.N. Other store with better bicycle parking could
    > >>become,
    > >
    > >BTDT. Our local Safeway has the crappy wheel-only bike racks.
    >
    > Our Homebase goes one better. It has crappy wheel-only racks mounted on a wall, at the foot of
    > which is sloping brick thing, so the wheel rolls back out of the rack.

    My local Tesco has lots ands lots of lovely, shiny, stainless steel, Sheffield stands, close to the
    door, under cover, the only problem is some muppets keep storing rows of trollies between them!

    --
    Marc Stickers,decals,membership,cards, T shirts, signs etc for clubs and associations of all types.
    http://www.jaceeprint.demon.co.uk/
     
  13. In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > Colin Blackburn <[email protected]> said:

    > > I have never quite understood the racks at the back of the bus station. To get to them does one
    > > have to cycle into the bus station?
    >
    > Yeah, sort of. You go in where the buses go, and then there's about 3ft of farcility on the
    > pavement to get to the racks. Meaning you have to turn right and slowly bump onto the pavement
    > right in the path of speeding buses. Alternatively you can go down Atherton St if you are
    > approaching from the St Margarets end of things.

    I walked past the road entrance to the bus station today and noticed the the road is signed as no
    entry excepts for buses, ie it excludes bicycles. On the same post there is a blue sign pointing
    the way to the cycle parking, seemingly directing cyclist into the road which they are not
    allowed to enter.

    Talking of facilities, the CC has assured me that cycle racks will be returned.

    Also, I noticed the hoarding at the roundabout on the A690 (the one with the Consett turnoff, Castle
    Chare?) saying that a new Cycle Bridge was being built. I must admit to being a bit confused about
    its intended function at this stage.

    Colin
     
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