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aj
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the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even use
crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
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Alan Dicey
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aj wrote:
> the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even use
> crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
>
>
I hope not. It would be incredibly destructive, tearing the grass and
ground to shreds when it is at its most vulnerable. I can't think of a
grass bank that is so smooth that spikes would be needed. In any case,
are there any routes left in the Lake District that have grass banks on
them? They are all walked-out ruts or paved now, aren't they?
> the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even use
> crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
>
>
I hope not. It would be incredibly destructive, tearing the grass and
ground to shreds when it is at its most vulnerable. I can't think of a
grass bank that is so smooth that spikes would be needed. In any case,
are there any routes left in the Lake District that have grass banks on
them? They are all walked-out ruts or paved now, aren't they?
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Adwil
Guest
I was up there on Xmas Day and the ground was frozen with some ice on the
paths. Off path, the boggy bits were frosty and crusted over. Underfoot grip
was fine as long as you watched where you put your feet.
"aj" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even
use
> crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
>
>
>
paths. Off path, the boggy bits were frosty and crusted over. Underfoot grip
was fine as long as you watched where you put your feet.
"aj" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even
use
> crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
>
>
>
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Mike Mason
Guest
"Alan Dicey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> aj wrote:
>> the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even
>> use
>> crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
>>
>>
>
> I hope not. It would be incredibly destructive, tearing the grass and
> ground to shreds when it is at its most vulnerable. I can't think of a
> grass bank that is so smooth that spikes would be needed. In any case,
> are there any routes left in the Lake District that have grass banks on
> them? They are all walked-out ruts or paved now, aren't they?
you should try the Helvellyn face above Red Tarn when the snow is sparse.
The scrambling can be quite exciting, with crampons providing much
assistance on the mixed ground.
Mike Mason
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> aj wrote:
>> the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even
>> use
>> crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
>>
>>
>
> I hope not. It would be incredibly destructive, tearing the grass and
> ground to shreds when it is at its most vulnerable. I can't think of a
> grass bank that is so smooth that spikes would be needed. In any case,
> are there any routes left in the Lake District that have grass banks on
> them? They are all walked-out ruts or paved now, aren't they?
you should try the Helvellyn face above Red Tarn when the snow is sparse.
The scrambling can be quite exciting, with crampons providing much
assistance on the mixed ground.
Mike Mason
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mikek
Guest
Personally, I do everything I can to avoid walking on frozen steep grass
banks. The grass gives the impression of there being nothing more than a
bit of frost, but can mask a layer of smooth hard frozen soil beneath it and
when you slip its a bit like being on a glacier thats only got 2cm of soft
snow on it.
"aj" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even
> use
> crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
>
>
banks. The grass gives the impression of there being nothing more than a
bit of frost, but can mask a layer of smooth hard frozen soil beneath it and
when you slip its a bit like being on a glacier thats only got 2cm of soft
snow on it.
"aj" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even
> use
> crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
>
>
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aj
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"Alan Dicey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> aj wrote:
> > the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even
use
> > crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
> >
> >
>
> I hope not. It would be incredibly destructive, tearing the grass and
> ground to shreds when it is at its most vulnerable. I can't think of a
> grass bank that is so smooth that spikes would be needed. In any case,
> are there any routes left in the Lake District that have grass banks on
> them? They are all walked-out ruts or paved now, aren't they?
i was coming down off barrow to braithwaite on boxing day,the path was steep
smooth grass & partly frozen,thats what made me think about crampon use
after i nearly went head over heels.
news:[email protected]...
> aj wrote:
> > the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even
use
> > crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
> >
> >
>
> I hope not. It would be incredibly destructive, tearing the grass and
> ground to shreds when it is at its most vulnerable. I can't think of a
> grass bank that is so smooth that spikes would be needed. In any case,
> are there any routes left in the Lake District that have grass banks on
> them? They are all walked-out ruts or paved now, aren't they?
i was coming down off barrow to braithwaite on boxing day,the path was steep
smooth grass & partly frozen,thats what made me think about crampon use
after i nearly went head over heels.
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Alan Dicey
Guest
Mike Mason wrote:
> "Alan Dicey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> aj wrote:
>>> the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even
>>> use
>>> crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
>>>
>>>
>> I hope not. It would be incredibly destructive, tearing the grass and
>> ground to shreds when it is at its most vulnerable. I can't think of a
>> grass bank that is so smooth that spikes would be needed. In any case,
>> are there any routes left in the Lake District that have grass banks on
>> them? They are all walked-out ruts or paved now, aren't they?
>
> you should try the Helvellyn face above Red Tarn when the snow is sparse.
> The scrambling can be quite exciting, with crampons providing much
> assistance on the mixed ground.
> Mike Mason
>
>
Not really a grass bank though, is it.
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk/Walking/Not_Striding_Edge/Catstycam summit-half.jpg
> "Alan Dicey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> aj wrote:
>>> the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even
>>> use
>>> crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
>>>
>>>
>> I hope not. It would be incredibly destructive, tearing the grass and
>> ground to shreds when it is at its most vulnerable. I can't think of a
>> grass bank that is so smooth that spikes would be needed. In any case,
>> are there any routes left in the Lake District that have grass banks on
>> them? They are all walked-out ruts or paved now, aren't they?
>
> you should try the Helvellyn face above Red Tarn when the snow is sparse.
> The scrambling can be quite exciting, with crampons providing much
> assistance on the mixed ground.
> Mike Mason
>
>
Not really a grass bank though, is it.
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk/Walking/Not_Striding_Edge/Catstycam summit-half.jpg
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Paul Rooney
Guest
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:42:13 +0000, Alan Dicey
<[email protected]> wrote:
> In any case,
>are there any routes left in the Lake District that have grass banks on
>them?
Lots of them (routes, that is, not paths). And some are as scary as
anything in the district - much more so than exposed rocky scrambles.
--
Paul Rooney
<[email protected]> wrote:
> In any case,
>are there any routes left in the Lake District that have grass banks on
>them?
Lots of them (routes, that is, not paths). And some are as scary as
anything in the district - much more so than exposed rocky scrambles.
--
Paul Rooney
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Paul Rooney
Guest
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:26:10 -0000, "aj" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Alan Dicey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> aj wrote:
>> > the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even
>use
>> > crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I hope not. It would be incredibly destructive, tearing the grass and
>> ground to shreds when it is at its most vulnerable. I can't think of a
>> grass bank that is so smooth that spikes would be needed. In any case,
>> are there any routes left in the Lake District that have grass banks on
>> them? They are all walked-out ruts or paved now, aren't they?
>
>i was coming down off barrow to braithwaite on boxing day,the path was steep
>smooth grass & partly frozen,thats what made me think about crampon use
>after i nearly went head over heels.
>
I was there last week, in cold rain, pondering the possibilities of
sliding all the way down if it had been a few degrees colder. It's not
as though you could fall off, is it?
--
Paul Rooney
>
>"Alan Dicey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> aj wrote:
>> > the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even
>use
>> > crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I hope not. It would be incredibly destructive, tearing the grass and
>> ground to shreds when it is at its most vulnerable. I can't think of a
>> grass bank that is so smooth that spikes would be needed. In any case,
>> are there any routes left in the Lake District that have grass banks on
>> them? They are all walked-out ruts or paved now, aren't they?
>
>i was coming down off barrow to braithwaite on boxing day,the path was steep
>smooth grass & partly frozen,thats what made me think about crampon use
>after i nearly went head over heels.
>
I was there last week, in cold rain, pondering the possibilities of
sliding all the way down if it had been a few degrees colder. It's not
as though you could fall off, is it?
--
Paul Rooney
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Mike Mason
Guest
"Alan Dicey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike Mason wrote:
>> "Alan Dicey" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]...
>>> aj wrote:
>>>> the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even
>>>> use
>>>> crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I hope not. It would be incredibly destructive, tearing the grass and
>>> ground to shreds when it is at its most vulnerable. I can't think of a
>>> grass bank that is so smooth that spikes would be needed. In any case,
>>> are there any routes left in the Lake District that have grass banks on
>>> them? They are all walked-out ruts or paved now, aren't they?
>>
>> you should try the Helvellyn face above Red Tarn when the snow is sparse.
>> The scrambling can be quite exciting, with crampons providing much
>> assistance on the mixed ground.
>> Mike Mason
>
> Not really a grass bank though, is it.
>
> http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk/Walking/Not_Striding_Edge/Catstycam summit-half.jpg
Right hand side towards Swirral is mixed ground, mixture of grass and rock.
Good for beginners to have a go on when the snow is in good condition. In
the event of only a light covering of snow then there is quite a lot of
grass about.
Mike
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> Mike Mason wrote:
>> "Alan Dicey" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]...
>>> aj wrote:
>>>> the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even
>>>> use
>>>> crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I hope not. It would be incredibly destructive, tearing the grass and
>>> ground to shreds when it is at its most vulnerable. I can't think of a
>>> grass bank that is so smooth that spikes would be needed. In any case,
>>> are there any routes left in the Lake District that have grass banks on
>>> them? They are all walked-out ruts or paved now, aren't they?
>>
>> you should try the Helvellyn face above Red Tarn when the snow is sparse.
>> The scrambling can be quite exciting, with crampons providing much
>> assistance on the mixed ground.
>> Mike Mason
>
> Not really a grass bank though, is it.
>
> http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk/Walking/Not_Striding_Edge/Catstycam summit-half.jpg
Right hand side towards Swirral is mixed ground, mixture of grass and rock.
Good for beginners to have a go on when the snow is in good condition. In
the event of only a light covering of snow then there is quite a lot of
grass about.
Mike
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Phil Cook
Guest
Alan Dicey wrote:
>aj wrote:
>> the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even use
>> crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
>>
>I hope not. It would be incredibly destructive, tearing the grass and
>ground to shreds when it is at its most vulnerable. I can't think of a
>grass bank that is so smooth that spikes would be needed. In any case,
>are there any routes left in the Lake District that have grass banks on
>them? They are all walked-out ruts or paved now, aren't they?
If the turf is well frozen crampons won't cause much damage.
You should have tried the open plain of Beinn a Chuirn (Beinn Mhanach,
head of Loch Lyon) in February last year. Melt water had flowed out
over a wide area of grass and refrozen the result was like a convex
ice rink.
Of course I had left the points in the car not having not used them
whilst carrying them on snowier and higher hills all week. /Lesson
learned/.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"
>aj wrote:
>> the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even use
>> crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
>>
>I hope not. It would be incredibly destructive, tearing the grass and
>ground to shreds when it is at its most vulnerable. I can't think of a
>grass bank that is so smooth that spikes would be needed. In any case,
>are there any routes left in the Lake District that have grass banks on
>them? They are all walked-out ruts or paved now, aren't they?
If the turf is well frozen crampons won't cause much damage.
You should have tried the open plain of Beinn a Chuirn (Beinn Mhanach,
head of Loch Lyon) in February last year. Melt water had flowed out
over a wide area of grass and refrozen the result was like a convex
ice rink.
Of course I had left the points in the car not having not used them
whilst carrying them on snowier and higher hills all week. /Lesson
learned/.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"
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SteveO
Guest
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:48:19 +0000, Phil Cook
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Alan Dicey wrote:
>
>>aj wrote:
>>> the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even use
>>> crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
>>>
>>I hope not. It would be incredibly destructive, tearing the grass and
<snip>
>If the turf is well frozen crampons won't cause much damage.
But as you descend the hardness of the frost lessens and you start
chewing up [fragile] gound.
Re.: Beinn a Chuirn (Beinn Mhanach, head of Loch Lyon)
>Melt water had flowed out over a wide area of grass and refrozen the
>result was like a convex ice rink.
As in all things safety... its a judgement call. What are crampons
for? Are there alternate routes to avoid the /tricky bits/ altogether?
In some conditions certain actions are the only real options, in
others there's latitude.
>Of course I had left the points in the car not having not used them
>whilst carrying them on snowier and higher hills all week. /Lesson
>learned/.
Assuming you've kept your options open ;-)
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Alan Dicey wrote:
>
>>aj wrote:
>>> the lakes forcast tomorrow says frozen paths,would a winter walker even use
>>> crampons on a steep grass bank that is frozen but not covered in snow ?
>>>
>>I hope not. It would be incredibly destructive, tearing the grass and
<snip>
>If the turf is well frozen crampons won't cause much damage.
But as you descend the hardness of the frost lessens and you start
chewing up [fragile] gound.
Re.: Beinn a Chuirn (Beinn Mhanach, head of Loch Lyon)
>Melt water had flowed out over a wide area of grass and refrozen the
>result was like a convex ice rink.
As in all things safety... its a judgement call. What are crampons
for? Are there alternate routes to avoid the /tricky bits/ altogether?
In some conditions certain actions are the only real options, in
others there's latitude.
>Of course I had left the points in the car not having not used them
>whilst carrying them on snowier and higher hills all week. /Lesson
>learned/.
Assuming you've kept your options open ;-)