Criminals on TV

Discussion in 'UK and Europe' started by Steve Firth, Aug 13, 2007.

  1. Steve Firth

    Steve Firth Guest

    Last week on TV there was a short video featuring the antics of a
    cyclist in Lancashire. The programme was supposed to be advocating the
    benefits of cycling as a means of getting to work.

    In it the cyclist used what appeared to be a helmet mounted camera and
    gave a running commentary on his progress. The person in question was
    styled as an active campaigner for cycling and has contributed in the
    past to "The Cycle Campaign Network's Campaign for High Standards."

    One might, therefore, have expected to see a demonstration of the best
    in cycling proficiency with, perhaps, some comment on the economic,
    environmental and health benefits of cycling. Instead the program
    portrayed someone bleating self-righteously about every other road user
    while throwing in such comments as "whoops it's a bit naughty but I need
    to go the wrong way down a one-way street here to save time." He also
    showed the usual disregard for Give Way and STOP markings and for red
    lights, preferring instead to shout aloud about his love of "sweeping
    turns downhill" which were achieved by the simple expedient of not
    looking at oncoming traffic and diving around a curve flat out, ignoring
    the STOP marking where that curve led onto another road.

    General standards of cycling portrayed in the video were IMO low with
    scant regard to traffic law.

    Is this how cyclists wish to be seen by the general public? Self
    righteous tits who consider that the law applies only to others?

    I hope the police use the video as evidence for prosecution as they
    would in the case of a motorist who recorded himself driving recklessly.
     
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  2. spindrift

    spindrift Guest

    Was the cyclist a reporter?
     
  3. Steve Firth

    Steve Firth Guest

    spindrift <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Was the cyclist a reporter?


    No, as I stated in the post he is a cycling campaigner.
     
  4. CoyoteBoy

    CoyoteBoy Guest

    On 13 Aug, 15:33, %[email protected] (Steve Firth) wrote:
    > Last week on TV there was a short video featuring the antics of a
    > cyclist in Lancashire. The programme was supposed to be advocating the
    > benefits of cycling as a means of getting to work.


    What channel/programme?
     
  5. David Lloyd

    David Lloyd Guest

    "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:1i2siad.5l3tevir3m2bN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
    > Last week on TV there was a short video featuring the antics of a
    > cyclist in Lancashire. The programme was supposed to be advocating the
    > benefits of cycling as a means of getting to work.
    >
    > In it the cyclist used what appeared to be a helmet mounted camera and
    > gave a running commentary on his progress. The person in question was
    > styled as an active campaigner for cycling and has contributed in the
    > past to "The Cycle Campaign Network's Campaign for High Standards."
    >
    > One might, therefore, have expected to see a demonstration of the best
    > in cycling proficiency with, perhaps, some comment on the economic,
    > environmental and health benefits of cycling. Instead the program
    > portrayed someone bleating self-righteously about every other road user
    > while throwing in such comments as "whoops it's a bit naughty but I need
    > to go the wrong way down a one-way street here to save time." He also
    > showed the usual disregard for Give Way and STOP markings and for red
    > lights, preferring instead to shout aloud about his love of "sweeping
    > turns downhill" which were achieved by the simple expedient of not
    > looking at oncoming traffic and diving around a curve flat out, ignoring
    > the STOP marking where that curve led onto another road.
    >
    > General standards of cycling portrayed in the video were IMO low with
    > scant regard to traffic law.
    >
    > Is this how cyclists wish to be seen by the general public? Self
    > righteous tits who consider that the law applies only to others?
    >
    > I hope the police use the video as evidence for prosecution as they
    > would in the case of a motorist who recorded himself driving recklessly.


    Complain to the TV company. If this guy is ment to represent the behaviour
    of a well trained cyclist, he is doing harm to our image, as if this isn't
    tarnished enough amongst an already prejudiced motoring public.

    David Lloyd
     
  6. Steve Firth

    Steve Firth Guest

    CoyoteBoy <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On 13 Aug, 15:33, %[email protected] (Steve Firth) wrote:
    > > Last week on TV there was a short video featuring the antics of a
    > > cyclist in Lancashire. The programme was supposed to be advocating the
    > > benefits of cycling as a means of getting to work.

    >
    > What channel/programme?


    Dang, you expect me to notive stuff like that? The TV was in "noise in
    the background, I'm in a hotel" mode. Probably Channel 4, around 8pm I
    think. Perhaps Cheeky can remember the details.
     
  7. On Aug 13, 3:33 pm, %[email protected] (Steve Firth) wrote:
    > Last week on TV there was a short video featuring the antics of a
    > cyclist in Lancashire. The programme was supposed to be advocating the
    > benefits of cycling as a means of getting to work.
    >
    > In it the cyclist used what appeared to be a helmet mounted camera and
    > gave a running commentary on his progress. The person in question was
    > styled as an active campaigner for cycling and has contributed in the
    > past to "The Cycle Campaign Network's Campaign for High Standards."
    >
    > One might, therefore, have expected to see a demonstration of the best
    > in cycling proficiency with, perhaps, some comment on the economic,
    > environmental and health benefits of cycling. Instead the program
    > portrayed someone bleating self-righteously about every other road user
    > while throwing in such comments as "whoops it's a bit naughty but I need
    > to go the wrong way down a one-way street here to save time." He also
    > showed the usual disregard for Give Way and STOP markings and for red
    > lights, preferring instead to shout aloud about his love of "sweeping
    > turns downhill" which were achieved by the simple expedient of not
    > looking at oncoming traffic and diving around a curve flat out, ignoring
    > the STOP marking where that curve led onto another road.
    >
    > General standards of cycling portrayed in the video were IMO low with
    > scant regard to traffic law.
    >
    > Is this how cyclists wish to be seen by the general public? Self
    > righteous tits who consider that the law applies only to others?
    >
    > I hope the police use the video as evidence for prosecution as they
    > would in the case of a motorist who recorded himself driving recklessly.


    No need to me to comment on this one, it's all there....lol
     
  8. Steve Firth

    Steve Firth Guest

    David Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Complain to the TV company. If this guy is ment to represent the behaviour
    > of a well trained cyclist, he is doing harm to our image, as if this isn't
    > tarnished enough amongst an already prejudiced motoring public.


    Having done a Google, I found a description of the program here:

    http://www.channel4.com/4talent/feature.jsp?id=5166

    And here:

    http://www.portobellofilmfestival.com/2007/studios08.html

    Robin Field - Country Commute (4'15) On a beautiful Cornish summers day
    I documented my commute by push bike from Truro to Falmouth.
     
  9. Clive George

    Clive George Guest

    "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:1i2ss7q.1ggohankqamqpN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
    > David Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Complain to the TV company. If this guy is ment to represent the
    >> behaviour
    >> of a well trained cyclist, he is doing harm to our image, as if this
    >> isn't
    >> tarnished enough amongst an already prejudiced motoring public.

    >
    > Having done a Google, I found a description of the program here:
    >
    > http://www.channel4.com/4talent/feature.jsp?id=5166
    >
    > And here:
    >
    > http://www.portobellofilmfestival.com/2007/studios08.html
    >
    > Robin Field - Country Commute (4'15) On a beautiful Cornish summers day
    > I documented my commute by push bike from Truro to Falmouth.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrgmAE5-OOc

    The two faults I saw were that one way street and poor road positioning. No
    running of red lights, stop likes, etc.

    clive
     
  10. spindrift

    spindrift Guest

    On 13 Aug, 19:23, "Clive George" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "Steve Firth" <%[email protected]> wrote in message
    >
    > news:1i2ss7q.1ggohankqamqpN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > David Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > >> Complain to the TV company. If this guy is ment to represent the
    > >> behaviour
    > >> of a well trained cyclist, he is doing harm to our image, as if this
    > >> isn't
    > >> tarnished enough amongst an already prejudiced motoring public.

    >
    > > Having done a Google, I found a description of the program here:

    >
    > >http://www.channel4.com/4talent/feature.jsp?id=5166

    >
    > > And here:

    >
    > >http://www.portobellofilmfestival.com/2007/studios08.html

    >
    > > Robin Field - Country Commute (4'15) On a beautiful Cornish summers day
    > > I documented my commute by push bike from Truro to Falmouth.

    >
    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrgmAE5-OOc
    >
    > The two faults I saw were that one way street and poor road positioning. No
    > running of red lights, stop likes, etc.
    >
    > clive- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    Oh, that's not bad.
     
  11. Steve Firth

    Steve Firth Guest

    Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:

    > Last week on TV there was a short video featuring the antics of a
    > cyclist in Lancashire.


    Correction to that, I wasn't paying attention to the location. The video
    was recorded in Cornwall.
     
  12. Jim

    Jim Guest

    On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:33:46 +0100, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
    wrote:

    ><snip>
    >General standards of cycling portrayed in the video were IMO low with
    >scant regard to traffic law.
    >
    >Is this how cyclists wish to be seen by the general public? Self
    >righteous tits who consider that the law applies only to others?


    IMO this is the behaviour of most commuting cyclists.

    I do a (car) run into a city each day for work. Most cyclists I see
    are running red lights/stop lines at junctions, on the road when there
    is a good safe cycleway, cutting cars up, swapping from road to
    pavement to take small short cuts and back to the road etc. etc. In
    the winter many don't have lights, most don't have any bright clothing
    at any time.

    The police seem to ignore this behaviour, heck I've even seen them go
    straight though lights past police cars sitting on the line!

    I appreciate that commuting cyclists are only part of the wider
    cycling community and I see many good cyclists around, it just seems
    that the commuter is a different breed!



    Jim
     
  13. Marz

    Marz Guest

    On Aug 13, 9:33 am, %[email protected] (Steve Firth) wrote:
    > Last week on TV there was a short video featuring the antics of a
    > cyclist in Lancashire. The programme was supposed to be advocating the
    > benefits of cycling as a means of getting to work.
    >
    > In it the cyclist used what appeared to be a helmet mounted camera and
    > gave a running commentary on his progress. The person in question was
    > styled as an active campaigner for cycling and has contributed in the
    > past to "The Cycle Campaign Network's Campaign for High Standards."
    >
    > One might, therefore, have expected to see a demonstration of the best
    > in cycling proficiency with, perhaps, some comment on the economic,
    > environmental and health benefits of cycling. Instead the program
    > portrayed someone bleating self-righteously about every other road user
    > while throwing in such comments as "whoops it's a bit naughty but I need
    > to go the wrong way down a one-way street here to save time." He also
    > showed the usual disregard for Give Way and STOP markings and for red
    > lights, preferring instead to shout aloud about his love of "sweeping
    > turns downhill" which were achieved by the simple expedient of not
    > looking at oncoming traffic and diving around a curve flat out, ignoring
    > the STOP marking where that curve led onto another road.
    >
    > General standards of cycling portrayed in the video were IMO low with
    > scant regard to traffic law.
    >
    > Is this how cyclists wish to be seen by the general public? Self
    > righteous tits who consider that the law applies only to others?
    >
    > I hope the police use the video as evidence for prosecution as they
    > would in the case of a motorist who recorded himself driving recklessly.


    Are you sure you're talking about the same video posted on youtube
    linked from Clive's post? 'Cos it look fine to me, me handsome.
     
  14. Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:

    > Last week on TV there was a short video featuring the antics of a
    > cyclist in Lancashire. The programme was supposed to be advocating the
    > benefits of cycling as a means of getting to work.
    >
    > In it the cyclist used what appeared to be a helmet mounted camera and
    > gave a running commentary on his progress. The person in question was
    > styled as an active campaigner for cycling and has contributed in the
    > past to "The Cycle Campaign Network's Campaign for High Standards."
    >
    > One might, therefore, have expected to see a demonstration of the best
    > in cycling proficiency with, perhaps, some comment on the economic,
    > environmental and health benefits of cycling. Instead the program
    > portrayed someone bleating self-righteously about every other road user
    > while throwing in such comments as "whoops it's a bit naughty but I need
    > to go the wrong way down a one-way street here to save time." He also
    > showed the usual disregard for Give Way and STOP markings and for red
    > lights, preferring instead to shout aloud about his love of "sweeping
    > turns downhill" which were achieved by the simple expedient of not
    > looking at oncoming traffic and diving around a curve flat out, ignoring
    > the STOP marking where that curve led onto another road.
    >
    > General standards of cycling portrayed in the video were IMO low with
    > scant regard to traffic law.
    >
    > Is this how cyclists wish to be seen by the general public? Self
    > righteous tits who consider that the law applies only to others?
    >
    > I hope the police use the video as evidence for prosecution as they
    > would in the case of a motorist who recorded himself driving recklessly.


    it is a bad image but then people are bad at choices. particuly with
    traffic which is why folk tailgate, jump lights etc. after all they
    haven't been killed yet.

    roger
    --
    www.rogermerriman.com
     
  15. marc

    marc Guest

    Jim wrote:
    > On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:33:46 +0100, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
    > wrote:
    >
    >> <snip>
    >> General standards of cycling portrayed in the video were IMO low with
    >> scant regard to traffic law.
    >>
    >> Is this how cyclists wish to be seen by the general public? Self
    >> righteous tits who consider that the law applies only to others?

    >
    > IMO this is the behaviour of most commuting cyclists.
    >
    > I do a (car) run into a city each day for work. Most cyclists I see
    > are running red lights/stop lines at junctions, on the road when there
    > is a good safe cycleway,

    No such thing as a "good safe cycleway" they are all less safe than a road.



    cutting cars up, swapping from road to
    > pavement to take small short cuts and back to the road etc. etc. In
    > the winter many don't have lights,


    Are lights required in the winter? Which bit of the RTA or HC does that
    come under?
    most don't have any bright clothing
    > at any time.


    I think it's the fashion police you need to take this one up with.

    >
    > The police seem to ignore this behaviour, heck I've even seen them go
    > straight though lights past police cars sitting on the line!
    >
    > I appreciate that commuting cyclists are only part of the wider
    > cycling community and I see many good cyclists around, it just seems
    > that the commuter is a different breed!


    You are confusing "people on bikes" with cyclists, in the same way that
    many people confuse "people who drive cars " with motorists.
     
  16. On Aug 13, 9:08 pm, marc <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Jim wrote:
    > > On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:33:46 +0100, %[email protected] (Steve Firth)
    > > wrote:

    >
    > >> <snip>
    > >> General standards of cycling portrayed in the video were IMO low with
    > >> scant regard to traffic law.

    >
    > >> Is this how cyclists wish to be seen by the general public? Self
    > >> righteous tits who consider that the law applies only to others?

    >
    > > IMO this is the behaviour of most commuting cyclists.

    >
    > > I do a (car) run into a city each day for work. Most cyclists I see
    > > are running red lights/stop lines at junctions, on the road when there
    > > is a good safe cycleway,

    >
    > No such thing as a "good safe cycleway" they are all less safe than a road.
    >
    > cutting cars up, swapping from road to
    >
    > > pavement to take small short cuts and back to the road etc. etc. In
    > > the winter many don't have lights,

    >
    > Are lights required in the winter? Which bit of the RTA or HC does that
    > come under?
    > most don't have any bright clothing
    >
    > > at any time.

    >
    > I think it's the fashion police you need to take this one up with.
    >
    >
    >
    > > The police seem to ignore this behaviour, heck I've even seen them go
    > > straight though lights past police cars sitting on the line!

    >
    > > I appreciate that commuting cyclists are only part of the wider
    > > cycling community and I see many good cyclists around, it just seems
    > > that the commuter is a different breed!

    >
    > You are confusing "people on bikes" with cyclists, in the same way that
    > many people confuse "people who drive cars " with motorists.- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/03.htm

    Read through that and come back.

    And I would guess that the winter lights is reference to the fact that
    its dark from around 4ish and difficult to see the bad cyclists.
     
  17. Pyromancer

    Pyromancer Guest

    Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as marc
    <[email protected]> gently breathed:
    >Jim wrote:
    >> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:33:46 +0100, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> <snip>
    >>> General standards of cycling portrayed in the video were IMO low with
    >>> scant regard to traffic law.
    >>>
    >>> Is this how cyclists wish to be seen by the general public? Self
    >>> righteous tits who consider that the law applies only to others?

    >> IMO this is the behaviour of most commuting cyclists.
    >> I do a (car) run into a city each day for work. Most cyclists I see
    >> are running red lights/stop lines at junctions, on the road when there
    >> is a good safe cycleway,

    >No such thing as a "good safe cycleway" they are all less safe than a road.


    Not entirely true, just no such thing in the UK. I spent the weekend in
    Holland, and it was a complete revelation to see what a country that
    takes cycling as transport seriously can be like.

    > cutting cars up, swapping from road to
    >> pavement to take small short cuts and back to the road etc. etc. In
    >> the winter many don't have lights,


    >Are lights required in the winter? Which bit of the RTA or HC does that
    >come under?


    ISTR lights are a requirement in the dark. It's usually dark in winter
    at most people's commuting time.

    >most don't have any bright clothing
    >> at any time.

    >
    >I think it's the fashion police you need to take this one up with.


    Not sure about this one. On the one hand, making such clothing
    mandatory would appear nannying and victim-blaming, on the other it does
    make sense to be sure you can be seen.

    I usually ride in black - but then I own very little that isn't black.
    But I do have some nice bright lights on the bike.

    >You are confusing "people on bikes" with cyclists, in the same way that
    >many people confuse "people who drive cars " with motorists.


    Non-members of the various groups don't make the distinction. As far as
    the general public is concerned, person on bike = cyclist.

    NP: Within Temptation - Mother Earth.
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  18. Tony Raven

    Tony Raven Guest

    Pyromancer wrote:

    >> No such thing as a "good safe cycleway" they are all less safe than a
    >> road.

    >
    > Not entirely true, just no such thing in the UK. I spent the weekend in
    > Holland, and it was a complete revelation to see what a country that
    > takes cycling as transport seriously can be like.


    Still doesn't make it a safe cycleway. The City of Copenhagen recently
    installed a number of new cycleways allowing a study of before and after
    accident rates. Turns out they accident and injury rates increased 10%
    after they were built. Studies in the Netherlands and Germany have
    similarly shown cycle tracks to be more dangerous than cycling on the road.

    >
    > Not sure about this one. On the one hand, making such clothing
    > mandatory would appear nannying and victim-blaming, on the other it does
    > make sense to be sure you can be seen.
    >


    I look forward to the mandatory painting of cars dayglo orange.


    Tony
     
  19. Mark T

    Mark T Guest

    > Not sure about this one. On the one hand, making such clothing
    > mandatory would appear nannying and victim-blaming, on the other it does
    > make sense to be sure you can be seen.


    Whilst wearing dark clothing would appear to be a silly thing to do, the
    stats show that cycling is about 30% safer, per mile, than walking. Hi vis
    should be prioritised for pedestrians, before we cyclists nab it all.

    Therefore my lack of hi-vis is due to concern for the more vulnerable road
    user than it is to my desire not to look like a bit of a nob ;)

    --
    Mark T
     
  20. marc

    marc Guest

    Pyromancer wrote:
    > Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as marc
    > <[email protected]> gently breathed:
    >> Jim wrote:
    >>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:33:46 +0100, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> <snip>
    >>>> General standards of cycling portrayed in the video were IMO low with
    >>>> scant regard to traffic law.
    >>>>
    >>>> Is this how cyclists wish to be seen by the general public? Self
    >>>> righteous tits who consider that the law applies only to others?
    >>> IMO this is the behaviour of most commuting cyclists.
    >>> I do a (car) run into a city each day for work. Most cyclists I see
    >>> are running red lights/stop lines at junctions, on the road when there
    >>> is a good safe cycleway,

    >> No such thing as a "good safe cycleway" they are all less safe than a
    >> road.

    >
    > Not entirely true, just no such thing in the UK. I spent the weekend in
    > Holland, and it was a complete revelation to see what a country that
    > takes cycling as transport seriously can be like.
    >
    >> cutting cars up, swapping from road to
    >>> pavement to take small short cuts and back to the road etc. etc. In
    >>> the winter many don't have lights,

    >
    >> Are lights required in the winter? Which bit of the RTA or HC does
    >> that come under?

    >
    > ISTR lights are a requirement in the dark. It's usually dark in winter
    > at most people's commuting time.
    >
    >> most don't have any bright clothing
    >>> at any time.

    >>
    >> I think it's the fashion police you need to take this one up with.

    >
    > Not sure about this one. On the one hand, making such clothing
    > mandatory would appear nannying and victim-blaming, on the other it does
    > make sense to be sure you can be seen.
    >
    > I usually ride in black - but then I own very little that isn't black.
    > But I do have some nice bright lights on the bike.



    If I listen to the people in my office the most conspicuous set up seems
    to be no lights, black clothing and cycling on a pavement. Not a week
    goes by whithout someone seeing one of these. Pity they seem to have
    such trouble seeing other cyclists.
     
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