Crit Crash Video: Whose Fault?

[danfoz]

Originally Posted by swampy1970 .


No, if you see a guy passing you and there's a hint of a chance that he'll go infront of you, you pay damned close attention to him. He moves, you move. It's not like they're short on space. Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

When blue passed Mr Asphalt Muncher, Mr AM was a good few feet to the right of the double yellow line. When the whoopsie happened he'd wandered over to the center and blue took out his wheel. It's his front wheel and he should be watching for **** like that. If he hadnt wandered that few feet over he'd probably have stayed on his wheels. If he'd been watching the wheels he'd have stayed upright. Sure Mr Blue shouldn't have gone right but he probably doesnt have eyes in the back of his head either. I still stand by my either/or...

Some of the **** that used to happen would end up before Congress with an overhaul of the sport if done now.

Or the guy that did the taking down gets cold cocked after the race. I've seen it happen. Personal responsibility is one thing and certainly a necessity to successfully finishing a race upright, but so is being a mindful neighbor. While blue may not be 100% at fault, he certainly holds the lion's share.

 

[CAMPYBOB]

"Or the guy that did the taking down gets cold cocked after the race. I've seen it happen."
Or the guy that gets cold cocked DURING the race. I've seen that happen, too. Some races finish in the ditch. Some of the parking lot 'discussions' are interesting. All a part of the game. "While blue may not be 100% at fault, he certainly holds the lion's share." That's my opinion, also.

 

[danfoz]

Originally Posted by CAMPYBOB .


Some of the parking lot 'discussions' are interesting.

Indeed. We had some coconut come round to us after the race one time accusing each of my team in turn ready to swing. He was convinced he was taken down by a rider in blue and white kit, ours but also a few other teams were sporting. The fact that he started accusing our Cat5's who had already wrapped up their race kinda killed his argument, but being the guy trying to depressurize his cooker I was just waiting for that sucker punch in case it happened, ya know to be on the safe side. Question is was he a righty or a lefty?

 

[alienator]

Or the guy that did the taking down gets cold cocked after the race. I've seen it happen. Personal responsibility is one thing and certainly a necessity to successfully finishing a race upright,  but so is being a mindful neighbor. While blue may not be 100% at fault, he certainly holds the lion's share.

I'd give him 100% of the fault. He's the one that tried to make the pass and failed miserably to do so. The others maybe could have mitigated blue's asswipe riding stunt, but it wasn't their fault.

 

[stevegreer]

Originally Posted by swampy1970 .


Cat 4 and 5 should be on alloy rims.

I agree with you on that one. I am hoping to compete in my first Crit next month (yes, I will be one of those damned Cat 5ers!) and I will definitely be rolling on my cheap but trusty Mavic Open Pros. That way, if I pull a bonehead move, or if some other bonehead pulls a bonehead move and sends me to the pavement, I won't have to worry so much about busting up a rim and losing out on a grand or two. I think I'll save my money for some carbon race hoops if/when I ever get to Cat 3 Masters.

 

[jpwkeeper]

Originally Posted by alienator .

Hopefully, Mr. Blue forgot about his bike on the roof rack when he pulled into his garage at home.

Wow, that was a really specific bad wish.

I'm guessing you've either done that or seen it done.

 

[alienator]

Wow, that was a really specific bad wish. I'm guessing you've either done that or seen it done.

I've not chopped anyone's wheel, nor have I driven my bike into the top of my garage door frame. I've seen wheels chopped, and there is zero excuse for it. If you can't make a safe pass, don't pass.

 

[swampy1970]

I must remember to install eyes in the back of my head the next time I race here... I'd punch the guys lights out for making a noise and disturbing the local bugs when he fell off. How dare he. Let's all sign a petition and sit around a camp fire reading the works of Lennin and sing Kumbaya. Free kittens at the finish for all the pussies. WWHT?

 

[jpwkeeper]

Originally Posted by alienator .


I've not chopped anyone's wheel, nor have I driven my bike into the top of my garage door frame. I've seen wheels chopped, and there is zero excuse for it. If you can't make a safe pass, don't pass.

I meant the garage thing. Is that from a fail video or something then?

 

[sitzmark]

Originally Posted by swampy1970 .

I must remember to install eyes in the back of my head the next time I race here...

I'd punch the guys lights out for making a noise and disturbing the local bugs when he fell off. How dare he. Let's all sign a petition and sit around a camp fire reading the works of Lennin and sing Kumbaya. Free kittens at the finish for all the pussies.

WWHT?

Really more about having a sense of what's around ... (i.e. good ride sense)

blueboy did not overtake orangeguy1 quickly and should have had the presence of mind to know he was still within a couple of feet to his right. Hard to believe he couldn't pick up a "shape" in his peripheral vision - even without turning his head. Just a stupid move given all of the open road, left line going into the pass, and the speed of overtake. Either he's a total rookie or a mindless dumbass ... or both.

 

[alienator]

Really more about having a sense of what's around ... (i.e. good ride sense) blueboy did not overtake orangeguy1 quickly and should have had the presence of mind to know he was still within a couple of feet to his right.  Hard to believe he couldn't pick up a "shape" in his peripheral vision - even without turning his head.   Just a stupid move given all of the open road, left line going into the pass, and the speed of overtake.  Either he's a total rookie or a mindless dumbass ... or both.  

Yup.

 

[alienator]

I meant the garage thing.  Is that from a fail video or something then?

There are loads of people who have driven their bikes into the tops of their garages.

 

[CAMPYBOB]

"Let's all sign a petition and sit around a camp fire reading the works of Lennin and sing Kumbaya."

It's Lenin (or Lennon, if you meant we should read socialist song lyrics).

Ok...we solve this with an octagon! Two riders enter...one rider leaves! Blue Shorts vs. Orange Stripe in the garage door octagon!

I got $20 on Blue shorts...anyone giving odds?

 

[danfoz]

I'd bet it all on orange. He looks about 5 chest sizes larger, he's got a vendetta, and the so called lapped rider is on his team, and in his corner. No one brings a fella that size unless they wanna say something without talking. Plus that little fella in blue squirreled his way outta there like nobodies business. Probably took a B line straight to where his car is parked. Which all things considered would be a wise move if anything other than coming right over and apologizing was a considered option.

 

[CAMPYBOB]

"I'd bet it all on orange. He looks about 5 chest sizes larger, he's got a vendetta..."

Yeah, but he's too brain dead to remember what he came here to do!

"Plus that little fella in blue squirreled his way outta there like nobodies business."

You betcha! He was the one alert enough to remember he was in a bike race...such that it was. /img/vbsmilies/smilies/biggrin.gif

The little guy is quick. In the garage door octagon, he's going to be tough to corner.

Cat. 5 driving FTMFW!



He chopped THREE front wheels!

 

[Cycling Lymie]

Regardless of who has the fault....

The guy in blue will continue to be erratic until someone cold cocks him before, during or after a race.

Chew me out for being un-sportsman like, but I'd prefer to see it done during a race and on a corner. /img/vbsmilies/smilies/biggrin.gif

 

[danfoz]

Originally Posted by Cycling Lymie .

Regardless of who has the fault....

The guy in blue will continue to be erratic until someone cold cocks him before, during or after a race.

Chew me out for being un-sportsman like, but I'd prefer to see it done during a race and on a corner. /img/vbsmilies/smilies/biggrin.gif

Could be he learns it without a black eye or any road rash - Many moons ago when I got into this game a buddy and I were out on a training ride, I allowed wheels to overlap, he swung over. The only thing that needs to be said is there is a spot on my chin that doesn't need shaving anymore. His line got better, I no longer allow wheels to overlap for any longer than possible (and I certainly keep an eye out for it happening). Sometimes one does indeed need some overlap if keeping a smooth line - there are times it's easier (and safer) to sit up slightly and catch some wind in the chest than it is to hit the brakes.

Maybe this was the first time the blue squirrel has taken someone down. Maybe he learned something new too.

 

[swampy1970]

Really more about having a sense of what's around ... (i.e. good ride sense) blueboy did not overtake orangeguy1 quickly and should have had the presence of mind to know he was still within a couple of feet to his right.  Hard to believe he couldn't pick up a "shape" in his peripheral vision - even without turning his head.   Just a stupid move given all of the open road, left line going into the pass, and the speed of overtake.  Either he's a total rookie or a mindless dumbass ... or both.  

When you have a rider whose leading edge of his front tire is about level with the back of your rear wheel, does your owl like peripheral vision see that far back? I know mine doesn't. Didn't overtake him quick? The video is only 10 seconds long and he's behind him when it starts - hardly a long drawn out touringesque pass. The big question is, why are they in a race going that slow? As for the rookie comment -cat5, cat4? Rookie indeed.

 

[CAMPYBOB]

"The big question is, why are they in a race going that slow?"

They forgot inflate their carbon wheels with helium! Duh!

 

[danfoz]

Originally Posted by swampy1970 .


When you have a rider whose leading edge of his front tire is about level with the back of your rear wheel, does your owl like peripheral vision see that far back? I know mine doesn't.

People passing each other like that in cars would sure make for an interesting drive to work.