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> << Word of real successes DOES get out -- all the time.
> Weeding through the "everything alternative is good"
> ******** makes it harder to discern the truth, but it's
> there >>
>
> Yeah right. Sorry, but I don't believe you, because we've
> had success stories mentioned here, and those people
> trashed to death.
Cripes, since when is a bunch of people making claims of
miraculous healings on a NG the only way news of successful
therapies of ANY kind gets out??? TV, magazines, newspapers
-- ever hear of 'em? Many of those who you say are "trashed
to death" are questioned about their claims first. When
their answers defy the reality of A&P -- deliberately skirt
the questions asked -- &/or contain contradictory
information, other posters often express disbelief & make
comments about both the claim & the one making it. Such
expressions aren't limited to skeptics -- proponents of
conventional health care & those advocating the use of both
alt. & conventional medicine are just as often on the
receiving end of what you refer to as "trashing" for their
POV You participate in this activity as much as anyone else,
DEBBEE -- and add your anti-Semetic rhetoric to it.
> discern the truth, but it's there. "Lose financial
> gain"??? Yeah, right. As if there's no money to be made in
> alternative medicine.....LOL!! >>
>
> That's right, Michele, you have a business which was
> considered "alternative therapy" at one point, and I'm
> sure you are making money or you wouldn't be doing it.
No **** -- alt. health care certainly makes money, so your
previous nonsense about alt. therapies somehow being
"attacked" as a threat to the economic gain of conventional
medicine is easy to see through. You don't think
conventional medicine could very easily make big bucks from
the alternative market?? And they already do -- vitamins,
supplements, & other products on store shelves arecommonly
manufactured & promoted by pharm. companies. The recent
packaging of herbal remedies in dial packs (a la oral
contraceptives) -- one targeted to women wanting to increase
their libido, another to people looking for a solution to
fatigue being just two examples -- shows pharm. companies
know marketing alt. products in a conventional way is a
money maker. Pain management clinics are combining
traditional therapies with massage, acupuncture, & other
modalities -- & making money from both.
> Let's see who owns the majority of the pharmaceutical
> companies in America?
Feel free to identify the stockholders, DEBBEE. Poll them
WRT their spiritual beliefs. Your assumptions & insinuations
about the religious affiliations & POV of other posters on
MHA have frequently been far from accurate -- it's doubtful
you'd do any better with those having shares in the pharm.
companies.
> << (Not to mention that insurance companies aren't going
> to ignore effective treatments that will save them
> money.) >>
>
> Ofcourse insurance companies are accepting chiropractic,
> and wow, look at all of the numwits here that are so anti-
> chiropractic...
There are many here who have no objection to DC claims of
efficacy WRT relief of some musculo-skeletal problems. What
you call "anti-chiropractic" sentiment is usually the
response to those who tell the NG that DC's are qualified
to diagnose &/or treat problems that fall out of their
scope of practice.
> << The region was -- as it still is today -- politically
> troubled.] >>
>
> Palestine is troubled too..it seems that there is another
> group that believes that part of Palestine should belong
> to them....
Your attempt to divert the discussion away from your
attributing the crucifixion of Christ to some sort of envy
of his "healing powers" is plain to see. **Try to stay
focused, DEBBEE**. Jesus' execution was politically
motivated. Not surprising in a region of political unrest.
His reported healing abilities weren't a threat -- his
claims of being the Son of God & King of the Jews were.
> << You're the one who's clueless here, DEBBEE. Nobody's
> stopping you from using alt. treatments or posting about
> them. And your "masking it with drugs" rhetoric is just
> that. Many conditions are successfully treated (not always
> CURED) & the patient's quality of life greatly improved by
> pharmaceuticals. Just ask someone with IDDM or
> hypothyroidism if the drugs they need to take make any
> positive difference for them.<<<<<
>
> ZZZZ Michele...that's what a pro-conventional person
> would say...
You are truly one of the dumbest creatures that ever learned
to type. You are also a *transparent* liar -- it's just too
easy to find in MANY posts that I practice & support
complementary health care & see that both conventional &
alternative therapies can have their pros & cons. Unable to
respond to the logic I presented, you simply resort to the
sort of ******** you usually come up with when somebody
proves you wrong. Nobody's stopping you from using or
talking about alt. therapies -- pharmaceuticals have helped
many people stay alive -- medications can be a positive part
of treatment for conditions like IDDM & hypothyroidism.
These are facts, DEBBEE.
> << Your silly-ass pronouncements just go on & on, DEBBEE.
> If a patient truly had a doc that didn't have time to make
> the effort to find out the etiology of their pain, they
> should see another MD. "Quick fixes" are sometimes what a
> patient demands, especially if treating the source of the
> pain will take time or effort they're not willing (or
> perhaps really not able for any number of reasons) to
> devote to it. In many cases, pain meds are prescribed only
> until the treatment of its cause makes them unecessary.
>
> Pain management is a fast growing part of conventional
> health care that very often includes alt. therapies.
> Exercise, chiropractic, massage, biofeedback & hypnosis, &
> other alt. treatments are frequently utilized as tools by
> those in the pain management arena. Patients are often
> referred to these docs/therapists/facilities by MD's. >>
>
> You silly assed brain obviously doesn't comprehend too
> well, does it Michelle? What part of this did you not
> comprehend? And who do you think you are fooling?
Can't you keep track of the lies you spew, DEBBEE? For
cryin' out loud, stupid -- read your posts!! You claim that
MD's just mask problems with drugs, you state that they
don't treat the cause of their patients' problems, & that
patients are simply kept "doped up". Just because you can't
refute any of what I've said is no reason to start typing
incoherent nonsense.
> << "Those of us that are not of your faith" has NOTHING to
> do with your anti-Semetic remarks, DEBBEE. People of
> different religious beliefs have commented on your anti-
> Semetic ****. Many non-Jews recognize your religious
> bigotry for the disgusting puke it is. >>
>
> Hey, you are even a bigger puke, Michele...I dislike you
> for the person that you are, and I haven't a clue what
> religion you are
You don't have a clue about much of anything, DEBBEE. There
isn't even a word to describe how little I care about who or
what you like or dislike.
>..you and your buddies here, miss the points written by
>those of us that are not into those of you that think you
>are God's chosen few,
One sentence you admit you're clueless about my religion,
then you babble about "those of you that think you are God's
chosen few". Someone who's clueless about my religion
doesn't know what I think about God at all. Find a train of
thought & try to stay with it! FOCUS, DEBBEE, FOCUS!!
Contradicting yourself over & over again will make you dizzy
& you could fall down.
> and think your opinions are far superior than the rest.
Hmmm -- your lies are gettin' deep again, DEBBEE. YOU are
the one who believes your POV is superior to those of other
posters. You tell others to post elsewhere & to leave the
country if they don't buy into your concept of being a good
American. I heartily support your right to voice your POV &
always have. It is that support for your rights that is far
superior to yours for other people's rights.
>
> << What a nasty booger you are, DEBBEE! >>
>
> Look in the mirror, Michele.....your snot is showing..
Try just a little imagination, DEBBEE. Think, then type.
> << And your outright lying statments WRT the reasons some
> here don't blindly accept whatever they are told by those
> promoting alt. therapies of questionable efficacy to make
> a buck (or to air their opinion that *some* eeeevil
> conspiracy is afoot) will require some more of that
> forgiveness you blame the Jews for. >>
>
> Are you talking about yourself, Michele, regarding
> "lying"...if so, I couldn't agree with you more....
You really suck when it comes to diversion tactics, DEBBEE.
Of course, few people would want to elaborate on the kind of
lies & bigoted stupidity you track into MHA like dog **** on
your shoe. You're in dire need of that forgiveness you blame
the Jews for.
> << Unfortunately, there are plenty of folks willing to
> empty the pockets of desperate people for nothing but
> disappointment. >>
>
> Just like those that you probably take money for when you
> do massage, huh?
LOL! I don't lie about "rubbing toxins outta people" &
deliver exactly what I say I will. Clients LOVE that, & they
pay well for it. Honesty & great service for nice money --
you should try it sometime, DEBBEE.
> << The advantage with conventional medicine is that it is
> easier to gather information about it to assess than it is
> with alt. therapies.] >>
>
> Ofcourse, because many alternative therapies are not
> allowed in data bases, claiming "scientific evidence"
> is needed. Who do you think you are really fooling
> here, fool?
Accepting anyone's story WRT an alt. therapy with no
evidence would show YOU to be the very epitome of the word
"fool". No doubt you'd be duped by any unsubstantiated tale.
Your disdain for facts & evidence isn't surprising, though
-- a dishonest person like yourself has no use for facts.
> << In other instances, patients have to do their homework,
> ask questions & analyze the answers, & weigh all the
> factors involved.
> >>
> And that's why some of the smart folks have chosen
> alternative therapies because there is neither a
> conventional method for what they have, or their doctors
> have not found an answer for health care problem....and
> simply don't have time to find it in 15 minutes.
There is a galaxy of difference between "In other instances,
patients have to do their homework, ask questions & analyze
the answers, & weigh all the factors involved" & your wild
statements that don't hold up, paranoid ideas of Jewish
conspiracies, & denial of well known facts. "Smart folks"
can see that difference -- sorry that you can't.
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