Cry Baby Simeoni

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  1. StarryMan

    StarryMan New Member

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    Simeoni said. ``It is not reasonable that a great champion doesn't give a chance to a small rider like me and the others. ... I suffered an injustice from him while everyone was watching.''

    I never new the TDF was a charity.

    After scrubbing the news on today's race and reading the many stories of the LA vs. Simeoni.... WOW... Simeoni has to be one of the biggest cry babies of any sport. Simeoni!!! Show some class will ya!

    PS. Simeoni didn't suffer an injustice as he states, it's evident he got SPANKED by the BOSS.

    Nicholas
     
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  2. pobserver03

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    DAMN-Now that's power!
     
  3. tinajoy

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    In my opinion a great champion athlete doesn't need to give spankings. All he needs to do is let his riding do the talking.
     
  4. musette

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    He doesn't need to, but he can, with respect to people who are suing him. So it was appropriate. ;)
     
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    It would have been so much better if he hadn't given the spanking. Just my opinion ..but I'm entitled to it.
     
  6. limerickman

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    Eurosport each day carry an insight program concerning the previous day
    proceedings.
    (Eurosport are also doing a full access program to Phonak and Quick Step
    where they gain behind the scenes access to both teams, riders, managers, wives, doctors)

    This mornings program covered this issue with Armstrong and Simeoni.

    Armstrong "yes this story with Simeoni is ridiculous. When Simeoni went in to
    the break I marked him. No one in the peloton repsects him for the allegations
    he made about the peloton"

    (my words - no Lance - he made the comments about you.
    sounds like Armstrongs attack on Bassons a few years ago)

    Simeoni "Armstrong called me a liar and I am now suing him. His influence in this peloton is terrible. I am not going to be called a liar.
    He came up to me today and some of the other riders in the breakaway pleaded with me to go back in to the bunch.
    When I got back to the bunch, I got some stick from Guerini, Nardello and others.
    The truth will out - with Divine intervention"

    Nardello, standing beside Simeoni, "I wasn't having a go at him about his
    dispute with Armstrong. I was having a go at him because Armstrong broke away and we are all tired and we didn't want to have to chase Armstrong today - I wasn't having a go at him about his dispute about drugs"

    (my words - Nardello claiming he's tired is hypocrisy - he's done fuck all
    in this tour).
     
  7. limerickman

    limerickman Moderator

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    Appropriate behaviour, Musette ?
     
  8. sunman

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    Anyone else notice that Simeoni looks a little bit like Fredo Corleone?
    "I'm your older brother, Mike, and I was stepped over! ... It ain't the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!

    Sleep with the fishes
     
  9. Miguel_garcia83

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    Armstrong is mad at simeoni because he said the truth about his methods
     
  10. Brunswick_kate

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    You got any proof of that or is it just your incredibly uninformed opinion?
     
  11. Miguel_garcia83

    Miguel_garcia83 New Member

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    he was treated by doctor ferrari, latest news kate, that means doping, this doctor has had many scandalous troubles about doping
    i have said it again, his change is not normal, you cant be noone before the cancer in 3 week races, and after the cancer he suddenly turned into the god of cycling
    he will never get a positive in a antidopping control, because he has prescriptions for everything
    plus there have been many scandles in usa recently, kelly white, marion jones, tim montgomery...its not weird thinking that armstrong is involved in them
     
  12. Miguel_garcia83

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    i am not sure, but is still dr ferrari armstrongs phisical coach?:confused: :confused: :confused:
    he must get good EPO if so
     
  13. Andy Grow

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    First off, Armstrong was NOT a no-body before the Tour.

    Second, and most important, if you don't think that kicking CANCER'S ASS won't change your life, you are sadly mistaken. If he can beat cancer, he can beat ANYONE on two wheels.
     
  14. Miguel_garcia83

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    as i said he WAS a nobody in 3 week races
    i can see that he can beat anyone on two wheels, but legally?
    and then he even writes e mails to his friends from UCI and Leblanc to ask them to investigate some riders he considers suspicious of doping, when he is the most suspicious sportman of doping
    and we will know soon about us postal secrets, as soon as jose luis rubiera and victor hugo peña leave the team. its known in spain that the only reason why they continue in that team is because they pay good ( maybe they pay good so as the riders will be quiet), and cycling is not a very good paid sport, and they cant stand armstrong, well can anybody stand him? not even his ex wife could
     
  15. StarryMan

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    And that's what he did exactly. He rode, didn't hold back, and his legs spoke to the world. His leg said, "I'm the Boss Man."
     
  16. Brunswick_kate

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    Wow...I can only hope you can ride a whole lot better than you can think because it's obvious your brain needs training wheels.

    Hint: consider applying logic to your arguments before inflicting them on the rest of humanity; otherwise you become a poster child for what's wrong with the education system in your country.
     
  17. StarryMan

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    Why even compete if you aren't going to try to go the distance? Every second counts in the tour. Every stage counts... And even if you are ahead you need to have some insurance. If Lance was a solid 10 mins ahead, I'd re-consider but with the time gaps of this stage, it's still fair to try to get as much time into the race.

    The following stage was the long TT - even though LA was the favorite, sometimes weather conditions can change per rider and can change things significantly. Even though Simeoni wasn't in contention, LA still owes it to his team, sponsor, and himself to go as hard as he can.

    But in reality of my mumble jumble... LA I'm sure wanted to crank down on Simeoni. And it was deserved considering this guy wanted to sue LA for libel for lying? Give me a break.

    Sure you are entitled to your opinions... but it's not popular from what I gather.

    Nicholas
     
  18. StarryMan

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    That's exactly it... there's no proof. If anything, there's much more compelling evidenece that he doesn't dope. Every drug test he has taken is clear. Outside of the random checks, each stage winner is required to take a drug test. Lance has won 60 stages up till today (includes stage 19 TT by the way lengendary Indurain won 66 stages) and you would think he would be caught by now if he is a dopey dope. The mechanism that's designed to catch dopers is also designed to clear a rider. And it's cleared LA 100% of the time. Not 99% of the times. Is 100% not enough proof?

    If someone has a hunch or all fingers point to X, it must be true??? Everyone knows that's not true. You need to think logically. You need to have compelling and relevant evidence. You need to look at the history and patterns. What patterns do you see from LA except the pattern of winning 6 TDF's in a row?

    There's always going to be nay sayers of LA... most of it is from Jealousy and ignorance.

    Regarding LA coming back from cancer and boom winning races not being possible. It's very possible and again there's plenty of proof that under adversity you can overcome. Check out Tyler Hamilton, while not a favorite of mine, it's pretty amazing he rode with a broken collar bone and placed 4th. WOW. To me that's nearly impossible because I've disclocated my collar bone and I was in pain for 2 weeks. The actual dislocation made me swell up into tears for maybe 20 minutes and up to that point I hadn't shed a tear in maybe 3 years (ha ha ha I'm such a tough guy - JK). Tyler broke it and rode... it shows what the human body and mind can do. Cancer is a deadly disease, we know it, and what better mental anchor to have than beating death?

    Inspiring Sidenote <sarcasm>: I had chicken pox at a late age of 18. I was in the hospital for 3 days because of it. While not even close to cancer it gave me the inspiration to ride hard at my next race. I raced 2 weeks after getting out of the hospital and placed 2nd at a local state fair criterium. My best and still the best placing ever for that event. And in my mind, the whole time I was painfully sprinting through the 3.4 mile circuit, "This is much better than laying in bed with Caladryl as my bed buddy."

    Now imagine beating cancer and losing a nut... what could you do?

    Viva LA

    Nicholas
     
  19. limerickman

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    Sorry, mate but let's look once again at his TDF record between 1992-1996.

    1993 - did not finish
    1994 - did not finish
    1995 - finished, err, 36th
    1996 - did not finish.

    1993 Opening Time Trial - he finished err, 81st - 47 seconds behind Indurain.
    He won a stage in to Verdun - stage 8.
    Graham Fifes book "Inside the Peloton" states "Armstrong was so tired that
    he simply lay on his bed - incapable of being able to speak.
    His team mates tried to encourage him to continue but he couldn't he was so
    exhausted".

    1994 Opening Time Trial - he finished err, 18th - 39 seconds behind Boardman.
    By stage 13 - he had dropped out being 1hr 17 mins behind Indurain.

    1995 He finished 36th and completed the Tour - 1hour 28mins Indurain.
    He did win a stage in Limoges - where 5 of his team mates filled the top
    10 places after the death of Fabio Casartelli.
    The peloton gifted this stage to Motorola - his team at the time.

    1996 : didn't finish after stage 6 to Aix Les Bain :
    Stage 20 penultimate stage of the 1996 TDf Jan Ullrich (in his TDF debut)
    beat Big Mig in the ITT by 56secs.
    Ullrich finished second overall to Bjarne Riis at 1min 41secs.

    This record certainly doesn't suggest being a somebody, eh, Andy ?
     
  20. StarryMan

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    Good research and I'm glad you found the info. In my book if you are riding in the TDF, it's easy to say you have to be a somebody. I think it actually illustrates that you don't become a rock star... oops... porn star.... oops I meant bike star (is there such thing as a bike star???) overnight. He rides as a leader now but also had to ride in the ranks for other leaders. After not finishing and doing poorly for the term it took for me to finish my bachelors degree (4 years seemed forever), LA didn't quit. Andy is right. And you are right. He was a somebody but at the same time within the TDF he was a nobody too.

    I think that's one of the greatest American stories. If you work hard and meet up with overwhelming challenges, you can still take the glory and gold home.

    Nicholas
     
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