CSC's blood doping habits. Frank Schleck "amigo de birillo"



T-Mobile weren't the only team to have a systematic doping operation. With Riis' history, CSC surely had it too and so did Discovery/Us Postal.
 
Grater said:
T-Mobile weren't the only team to have a systematic doping operation. With Riis' history, CSC surely had it too and so did Discovery/Us Postal.
And of course Once.
 
Grater said:
T-Mobile weren't the only team to have a systematic doping operation. With Riis' history, CSC surely had it too and so did Discovery/Us Postal.
Nope, they were the only one ever in the history of mankind to actually ever use drugs. The rest used performance enhancing substances.
 
Crankyfeet said:
hey..tone down your rhetoric. The point steers away from what's happening and onto your rudeness.

And for those outside of Australia... Weetbix is an Aussie breakfast cereal of compacted wheat flakes in about the size and shape of a small bar of soap.
Do they taste like soap too?
 
I don't know if CSC is clean or not. I can't reconcile what comes out of Julich and Voight's mouth with what I saw from the Schleck brothers on Alpe D'Huez. I don't think it is institutionalized for the entire team. I suspect that Riis is smart enough to sty clear of any direct involvement. However, he may be able to steer people in the right direction.

And this Damsgard thing is ********.

Somebody should hire me to do the testing. I guaranty I would find somebody doping on every team...and I can't even tell the difference between carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide.
 
What I think everyone is forgetting is that what happened in 2006 and whether or not they had a system wide doping operation MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING as to whether CSC was clean this year
 
EvilJediJ said:
What I think everyone is forgetting is that what happened in 2006 and whether or not they had a system wide doping operation MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING as to whether CSC was clean this year
besides the fact they rode just as well or better, even without their best talent, basso
 
CSC were not clean this tour.

Cancellara dropping riders on climbs and Voigt aswell day after day. And then Cancellara storming to an average of 51km/h in a 53km time trial a few days later.

There were some super human performances from CSC this tour mainly coming from Cancellara, Voigt and O'Grady.

CSC Clean? My ****.
 
Grater said:
CSC were not clean this tour.

Cancellara dropping riders on climbs and Voigt aswell day after day. And then Cancellara storming to an average of 51km/h in a 53km time trial a few days later.

There were some super human performances from CSC this tour mainly coming from Cancellara, Voigt and O'Grady.

CSC Clean? My ****.
Kurt Arvesen has transformed himself into the new Voigt. Getting in many breaks, ripping it up.
 
Silence Lotto were clean - you could tell - especially Popovych.

Columbia were clean - they just dominated the flat stages and with guys like Hansen, Hincapie, Lovkvist, Siutsou, Kirchen who can all time trial there driving it along, who can blame them?

Caisse D'Espagne were clean - look at the performances

Cunego's team were clean. - look at the performances

Milram was clean

Saulnier Duval were not clean.

CSC were not clean

The french teams were clean as they knew the only way they win races is in breakaways.

Gerolsteiner I highly doubt if they were clean. They are losing their sponsor and will try anything to get a new sponsor.
 
Grater said:
Gerolsteiner I highly doubt if they were clean. They are losing their sponsor and will try anything to get a new sponsor.
That's not fair. Schuey and Kohl just learnt the art of fast cadence. Carmichael's and Armstrong's book was only translated into German at the beginning of the year.
 
Grater said:
Silence Lotto were clean - you could tell - especially Popovych.

Columbia were clean - they just dominated the flat stages and with guys like Hansen, Hincapie, Lovkvist, Siutsou, Kirchen who can all time trial there driving it along, who can blame them?

Caisse D'Espagne were clean - look at the performances

Cunego's team were clean. - look at the performances

Milram was clean

Saulnier Duval were not clean.

CSC were not clean

The french teams were clean as they knew the only way they win races is in breakaways.

Gerolsteiner I highly doubt if they were clean. They are losing their sponsor and will try anything to get a new sponsor.
guy on bikeradar forums is connected, and ex french pros speak of the funny business at AG2R.

The fact that Dessel had an inauspicious career prior to 30, then at Phonak he suddenly finds his legs, and takes them to AG2R and keeps improving.

AG2R are a doping team. When they were Casino in the late 90s they had a bust or positives, Vinokourov won the Dauphine when at Casino/AG2R in about 99.
 
Grater said:
Silence Lotto were clean - you could tell - especially Popovych.

Columbia were clean - they just dominated the flat stages and with guys like Hansen, Hincapie, Lovkvist, Siutsou, Kirchen who can all time trial there driving it along, who can blame them?

Caisse D'Espagne were clean - look at the performances

Cunego's team were clean. - look at the performances

Milram was clean

Saulnier Duval were not clean.

CSC were not clean

The french teams were clean as they knew the only way they win races is in breakaways.

Gerolsteiner I highly doubt if they were clean. They are losing their sponsor and will try anything to get a new sponsor.
I think "clean" is a relative thing in pro cycling. Some teams are just using more potent products/methods than others.

An undoped athlete's blood profile should change quite a bit over the course of the Tour. For example, as I understand it, hematocrit should decline. In this day and age, we view rising hematocrits suspiciously, but doesn't a stable hematocrit over three weeks of grueling riding indicate blood manipulation?