Custom shue orthotics to spread the pressure?



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Jerry Sievers

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Hello.

I am wondering if it makes sence to have some molded hard plastic
insoles made by a orthotist or other in order to relieve the pressure
from the ball of the foot?

Such a thing wouldn't necessarily have to cover the entire foot sole
but at least from the toes to about mid-arch. It would have to be
aggressively contoured to apply pressure to the areas that are
normally recessed, anterior arch etc.

Most of the long distance cyclists that I train with complain of
pressure related discomfort, myself included. No one that I know of
has done much of anything about it.

Any experiences like this or other solution?
 
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John Forrest Tomlinson

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On 21 Mar 2006 21:27:09 -0500, Jerry Sievers <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Hello.
>
>I am wondering if it makes sence to have some molded hard plastic
>insoles made by a orthotist or other in order to relieve the pressure
>from the ball of the foot?
>
>Such a thing wouldn't necessarily have to cover the entire foot sole
>but at least from the toes to about mid-arch. It would have to be
>aggressively contoured to apply pressure to the areas that are
>normally recessed, anterior arch etc.
>
>Most of the long distance cyclists that I train with complain of
>pressure related discomfort, myself included. No one that I know of
>has done much of anything about it.
>
>Any experiences like this or other solution?


I know a bunch of cyclists who use orthotics. In most cases it's to
address pain or irritation in the knee or hip that are caused by foot
problems. This can help with foot pain from pressure too.

I had some custom orthotics from Bill Peterson in Rhode Island that
were great. Now I use Sole footbeds, which are semi-custom -- you put
them in an oven to heat them slightly and re-shape. www.yoursole.com.
This are quite a bit cheaper than custom orthotics and can work for
some people. Superfeet insoles are another over-the-counter product
that some people like.

JT



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Skippy

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"Jerry Sievers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Hello.
>
> I am wondering if it makes sence to have some molded hard plastic
> insoles made by a orthotist or other in order to relieve the pressure
> from the ball of the foot?
>
> Such a thing wouldn't necessarily have to cover the entire foot sole
> but at least from the toes to about mid-arch. It would have to be
> aggressively contoured to apply pressure to the areas that are
> normally recessed, anterior arch etc.
>
> Most of the long distance cyclists that I train with complain of
> pressure related discomfort, myself included. No one that I know of
> has done much of anything about it.
>
> Any experiences like this or other solution?
>


Orthotics work. It may be wise to tell the professional that they're for
cycling and take your shoes along.

I've used Specialized BG shoes with good results on the bike and Superfeet
for running shoes.

From previous experience a lot of (forefoot) discomfort is the result of too
small and/or narrow shoes. This seems to be a cycling thing, especially for
road shoes.


Skippy
E&OE
 
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Michael Warner

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On 21 Mar 2006 21:27:09 -0500, Jerry Sievers wrote:

> Most of the long distance cyclists that I train with complain of
> pressure related discomfort, myself included. No one that I know of
> has done much of anything about it.


If the sole is very stiff, the shoe fits well and you're not tensing your
foot in it, I don't see how this can occur. The "hot spot" effect is caused
by constriction of blood flow due to swelling of the foot in an overly
tight shoe, apparently.

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Derk

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Jerry Sievers wrote:
> I am wondering if it makes sence to have some molded hard plastic
> insoles made by a orthotist or other in order to relieve the pressure
> from the ball of the foot?

I have three pairs. 1 for my cycling shoes and I couldn't live without them
any more. I immediately feel it when I forget to put them in my shoes when
I change shoes. The price here for custom made orthotics is 120 Euro's.

Why would you take hard plastic? Well made ones breathe which is important.

Greets, Derk
 
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Bruce Gilbert

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"Skippy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Jerry Sievers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > Hello.
> >
> > I am wondering if it makes sence to have some molded hard plastic
> > insoles made by a orthotist or other in order to relieve the pressure
> > from the ball of the foot?
> >
> > Such a thing wouldn't necessarily have to cover the entire foot sole
> > but at least from the toes to about mid-arch. It would have to be
> > aggressively contoured to apply pressure to the areas that are
> > normally recessed, anterior arch etc.
> >
> > Most of the long distance cyclists that I train with complain of
> > pressure related discomfort, myself included. No one that I know of
> > has done much of anything about it.
> >
> > Any experiences like this or other solution?
> >

>
> Orthotics work. It may be wise to tell the professional that they're for
> cycling and take your shoes along.
>
> I've used Specialized BG shoes with good results on the bike and Superfeet
> for running shoes.
>
> From previous experience a lot of (forefoot) discomfort is the result of

too
> small and/or narrow shoes. This seems to be a cycling thing, especially

for
> road shoes.
>
>
> Skippy
> E&OE
>
>

I have a severe Morton's Neuroma in both of my feet. At about 40 miles my
rides turn into a pain fest. At Interbike, there was a company that made a
new kind of orthotic called esoles. They use some sort of scanning system
for determining the correct shape for the orthotics. I was skeptical, but
after a few ineffective orthotics in the past, I should be. Well, they work
perfectly. Now I can do over 100 miles with no problems at all.

The only problem is that you have to catch one of their reps at a show or
event. I guess they can give you a schedule. I saw them last at the Seattle
show. Their booth was the next row from ours.

Bruce
 
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amakyonin

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I too would recommend trying the Specialized Body Geometry footbeds.
They are available separately for about $20 from the website or a
Specialzed dealer. They fit perfectly into Shimano shoes of the same
size. They have a slight bulge under the ends of the metatarsals that
helps to alleviate pain in that area.

I developed problems with pain in the ball of my foot while using the
simple die cut neoprene footbed Shimano uses in their cheaper shoes
(Their molded footbeds are better). I ended up with some slight nerve
damage in my big toe after a multi-day tour. After switching to the
Specialized footbeds I haven't had any problems.
 
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Ken

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Jerry Sievers <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I am wondering if it makes sence to have some molded hard plastic
> insoles made by a orthotist or other in order to relieve the pressure
> from the ball of the foot?


The main purpose of custom orthotics is to adjust the angles of your ankle
and knee to reduce the risk of injury to those joints. If you're just trying
to relieve pressure along the bottom of your foot, the gel or molding foam
insoles sold at drug stores for a few dollars should be fine.
 
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mark

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"Jerry Sievers" wrote ...
> Hello.
>
> I am wondering if it makes sence to have some molded hard plastic
> insoles made by a orthotist or other in order to relieve the pressure
> from the ball of the foot?
>
> Such a thing wouldn't necessarily have to cover the entire foot sole
> but at least from the toes to about mid-arch. It would have to be
> aggressively contoured to apply pressure to the areas that are
> normally recessed, anterior arch etc.
>
> Most of the long distance cyclists that I train with complain of
> pressure related discomfort, myself included. No one that I know of
> has done much of anything about it.
>
> Any experiences like this or other solution?
>


As a few people have said, custom footbeds/orthotics are generally used to
align and support the ankle and the rear half of the foot, benefitting the
knee and hip joints as well. Having said that, I've found that a good
footbed can make the entire foot more comfortable, along with the knees,
hips and the rest of one's body.

When I was learning to make footbeds for ski boots, I was told that if the
footbed corrected the alignment of the rear/posterior half of the foot then
the entire foot would fall into alignment. This certainly worked for me, and
it makes sense if you look at your foot and wiggle it around a little.

As another poster mentioned, the Superfeet cut-to-fit insoles are indeed
excellent. I've been using them in hiking shoes, running shoes,cycling shoes
and ski boots for quite a few years and they make a real difference any time
I have to spend a long time on my feet. When I was making custom footbeds
for ski boots it seemed that the Superfeet cut-to-fit insoles worked about
as well as custom footbeds for a very high percentage of customers, for a
lot less money.
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mark
 
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Matt O'Toole

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:27:09 -0500, Jerry Sievers wrote:

> I am wondering if it makes sence to have some molded hard plastic
> insoles made by a orthotist or other in order to relieve the pressure
> from the ball of the foot?


Perhaps, but I'd try stiffer shoes first.

Matt O.
 
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John Forrest Tomlinson

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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:54:24 +0000 (UTC), Ken <[email protected]> wrote:

> If you're just trying
>to relieve pressure along the bottom of your foot, the gel or molding foam
>insoles sold at drug stores for a few dollars should be fine.


Those will compress in use and need to be replaced often. It's more
economical to at least get quality footbeds (like Sole or Superfeet)
for about $30.

JT

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Ken

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John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]> wrote in
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> Those will compress in use and need to be replaced often. It's more
> economical to at least get quality footbeds (like Sole or Superfeet)
> for about $30.


Is that your experience? Which brands?

I have been using a memory foam insole in my cycling shoes for the last 2
years (15,000 miles). It still works great. Price was about $6 at my local
drug store. Sorry, I no longer have the packaging and don't remember the
brand.
 
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John Forrest Tomlinson

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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:51:36 +0000 (UTC), Ken <[email protected]> wrote:

>John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>> Those will compress in use and need to be replaced often. It's more
>> economical to at least get quality footbeds (like Sole or Superfeet)
>> for about $30.

>
>Is that your experience?
> Which brands?

Dr. Scholls and perhaps other foam/gel stuff changed within a few
months in use.

JT

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John Forrest Tomlinson

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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:02:51 -0500, John Forrest Tomlinson
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:51:36 +0000 (UTC), Ken <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>> Those will compress in use and need to be replaced often. It's more
>>> economical to at least get quality footbeds (like Sole or Superfeet)
>>> for about $30.

>>
>>Is that your experience?
>> Which brands?

>Dr. Scholls and perhaps other foam/gel stuff changed within a few
>months in use.


Upon reflection, I realize this was over 10 years ago, and perhaps the
very inexpensive cushion insoles are better nowadays.

JT

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Scott Johnson

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Matt O'Toole wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:27:09 -0500, Jerry Sievers wrote:
>
>
>>I am wondering if it makes sence to have some molded hard plastic
>>insoles made by a orthotist or other in order to relieve the pressure
>>from the ball of the foot?

>
>
> Perhaps, but I'd try stiffer shoes first.


Can someone recommend a _really_ stiff shoe/brand?


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Sandy

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Dans le message de news:[email protected],
Scott Johnson <[email protected]!planetkc.com> a réfléchi, et puis a
déclaré :
> Matt O'Toole wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:27:09 -0500, Jerry Sievers wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I am wondering if it makes sence to have some molded hard plastic
>>> insoles made by a orthotist or other in order to relieve the
>>> pressure from the ball of the foot?

>>
>>
>> Perhaps, but I'd try stiffer shoes first.

>
> Can someone recommend a _really_ stiff shoe/brand?


DMT
 
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Tom Keats

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In article <[email protected]>,
Scott Johnson <[email protected]!planetkc.com> writes:
> Matt O'Toole wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:27:09 -0500, Jerry Sievers wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I am wondering if it makes sence to have some molded hard plastic
>>>insoles made by a orthotist or other in order to relieve the pressure
>>>from the ball of the foot?

>>
>>
>> Perhaps, but I'd try stiffer shoes first.

>
> Can someone recommend a _really_ stiff shoe/brand?


Carnac makes shoes in a range of stiffness depending on the application.
I had an opportunity to try a pair of their Ventoux (a touring shoe,
which is not the stiffest) and was impressed enough to covet a pair
for myself. Actually I was more impressed with their comfortable
(for me) fit than with their stiffness. I note they have what they
call their "Ergo Width" feature, and with my EEE-width dogs, maybe
that's what I liked about them.


cheers,
Tom

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