Cycling article in Telegraph.

Discussion in 'UK and Europe' started by Simon Mason, Sep 8, 2004.

  1. Dave Kahn

    Dave Kahn Guest

    On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:55:54 +0100, davek <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >JohnB wrote:
    >> Good she was done. But the incredible thing is that she just *HAD* to
    >> drive 25metres.
    >> It really beggars belief.

    >
    >I wonder what she'd do if she lived in my street - it's rare that I can
    >park my car less than 25 metres from my home.


    Park as close as she could then get a taxi.

    --
    Dave...

    Get a bicycle. You will not regret it. If you live. - Mark Twain
     


  2. Dave Kahn wrote:

    > On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:49:09 +0100, "Duncan Gray"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>The test is "was the person likely to drive while he remained impaired".
    >>If you're camped up for the night then clearly the answer would be no and
    >>tou'd be alright.

    >
    > Is that the test? I seem to remember a case of a man prosectued after
    > being found asleep on the back seat. He knew he was over the limit so
    > he decided to sleep in the car until the morning. However, he was
    > judged to be technically in charge of the vehicle as he had the
    > ignition key on him. As I recall it if he had hidden the key by the
    > road somewhere he would have been OK. However, he might have had a job
    > finding it again on sobering up.


    This happened to a guy I used to work with. Heck, it might be him you're
    talking about. Happened to him in Cheltenham.

    --
    Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
    Boo.
     
  3. Jack Ouzzi

    Jack Ouzzi Guest

    On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:30:39 +0100, Trevor Barton
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >JohnB <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> "She then tried to run away but was restrained by police who pinned her
    >> to the bonnet of their car and arrested her. The court was told how days
    >> before her arrest Ambler had been thrown from a horse which had then
    >> stepped on her head leaving her in need of stitches."

    >
    >Well, that's at least more plausible than the usual one we get in
    >the papers round here: The drunk more often than not had "never
    >done it before in 35 years of driving". A lot of criminals who
    >go through the courts in Harrogate seem to be first-timers. Either
    >they're exteeeeemly unlucky to have been caught on the first and only
    >occasion, or we have a particularly inept bunch of first time criminals
    >in this part of the country. Either that or they're plain liars.
    >
    >> "When the magistrates told Ambler she would be banned from driving for
    >> twelve months, fined a total of £150 and ordered to pay £34 court costs
    >> she broke down in tears."

    >
    ><rant>
    >
    >Most motoring offences get on my goat far out of proportion to the
    >severity in the eyes of the law not only because the punishment
    >often does not fit the crime but particularly because most of them
    >are so easy to avoid. Speeding, for example, is one of the easiest,
    >but it seems to be one that few people can be bothered avoiding.
    >Sure, I'm sure there are places where the speed limit might be
    >ambiguous, perhaps because of obstructed signage or whatever, but
    >in the vast majority of cases speed limits are clear and unambigous,
    >but routinely ignored. Why? How is it so hard? How flipping
    >difficult is it to avoid driving drunk? Again, I can imagine that
    >there are "legitimate" causes (some medications, some temporary
    >conditions interfering with your metabolising of alcohol, etc)
    >but most of the time it's just stupid people who go to the pub, drink
    >beer and get into their cars. Why just a 12 month ban?
    >
    ></rant>


    Agreed, hence my resignation from the Magistrates bench ........

    The AVERAGE fine for no insurance is around £175 .......... me being
    an old fart and hundreds of years old, my annual insurance is about
    the same ... less if you are on income support.

    A young person in his/her car can pay more than the car is worth ...
    £700 / 800 / 900 for insurance ............ so simple maths say
    ........ I will take a chance

    So the honest paying motorist gets hit by a NI dickhead ..............
    who is worst off???

    Certainly makes one think about the 'I will take a chance' route

    Now however you face the possibility of having you car crushed ......
    Yeah right .......... how many to date ????? And if the car is worth
    £150 ............ back to my maths .......... Simple innit !!
     
  4. Steph Peters

    Steph Peters Guest

    JohnB wrote:

    J> 95% of the riders who have taken our training over this summer (to the
    J> National Standards) have said they will cycle more as a result.

    J> John B
    J> http://www.hampshirecycletraining.org. uk

    Does anyone know if there's a cycle training scheme for adults in Dorset? I
    have a friend that lives in Ferndown who would benefit, and I believe would
    be receptive to the idea of training. He inherited a bike when he bought a
    new house and tried to commute to work on it. Sadly he made the classic
    beginner's mistake of riding in the gutter and had nowhere to go when a car
    cut him up. He's lost confidence so is now back in the car, but I think
    he'd like to get back on the bike.

    Steph Peters
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  5. JohnB

    JohnB Guest

    Steph Peters wrote:
    >
    > JohnB wrote:
    >
    > J> 95% of the riders who have taken our training over this summer (to the
    > J> National Standards) have said they will cycle more as a result.
    >
    > Does anyone know if there's a cycle training scheme for adults in Dorset? I
    > have a friend that lives in Ferndown who would benefit, and I believe would
    > be receptive to the idea of training.


    > Steph Peters
    > delete invalid from <[email protected]> Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:05:54 +


    Get in touch with me through my website and I'm sure I can help.
    I know someone in the area running such a scheme.

    John B
    http://www.hampshirecycletraining.org. uk
     
  6. David Hansen

    David Hansen Guest

    On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:05:03 GMT someone who may be Simon Brooke
    <[email protected]> wrote this:-

    >I _think_ that you are wrong. For a 'drunk in charge' offence I believe
    >you don't even have to switch the engine on.


    Note that the "crime" of being drunk in charge of a cycle applies
    whether one is riding it or pushing it along. As ever there are
    stupid laws and they deserve no respect.


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    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E
    I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
    prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.
     
  7. Nick Kew

    Nick Kew Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    David Hansen <[email protected]> writes:

    > Note that the "crime" of being drunk in charge of a cycle applies
    > whether one is riding it or pushing it along. As ever there are
    > stupid laws and they deserve no respect.


    Hmmm, you haven't read Wilt. Being drunk in charge of a bike you're
    not riding can be serious enough, even if it's just a minor cameo
    appearance in the book :)

    --
    Nick Kew
     
  8. bugbear

    bugbear Guest

    Jack Ouzzi wrote:
    >
    > I sat for over 10 years as a magistrate, and could write a 'book of
    > excuses' of probably volumes ..............


    Locally we had a guy claim that he thought "mandatory" meant "optional".

    This was (of course) in regard to a "mandatory speed limit".

    This poor, uneducated person got off.

    It's a miracle someone this uneducated could get a job
    paying enough to pay for a porsche in the first place :-(

    I bet he could afford damn good legal representation too :-(

    BugBear
     
  9. Steph Peters

    Steph Peters Guest

    JohnB <[email protected]> of The trikeshed is full wrote:

    >Steph Peters wrote:
    >>
    >> JohnB wrote:
    >>
    >> J> 95% of the riders who have taken our training over this summer (to the
    >> J> National Standards) have said they will cycle more as a result.
    >>
    >> Does anyone know if there's a cycle training scheme for adults in Dorset? I
    >> have a friend that lives in Ferndown who would benefit, and I believe would
    >> be receptive to the idea of training.

    >
    >> Steph Peters
    >> delete invalid from <[email protected]> Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:05:54 +

    >
    >Get in touch with me through my website and I'm sure I can help.
    >I know someone in the area running such a scheme.


    Thanks John, will do.

    Steph Peters
    delete invalid from <[email protected]>
     
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