Cycling Death in SA

Discussion in 'Australia and New Zealand' started by HughMann, Aug 7, 2005.

  1. Tamyka Bell

    Tamyka Bell Guest

    dave wrote:
    >
    > Tamyka Bell wrote:
    > > Michael Warner wrote:
    > >
    > >>On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:26:19 +1000, SteveA wrote:
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>The statement in the article in the Australian that concerns me the most
    > >>>(bearing in mind the first paragraph that said the cyclist was hit from
    > >>>behind) is from the local Supt of Police who is quoted as saying, "How
    > >>>can you miss seeing a truck - they are lit up so well."
    > >>>
    > >>>I guess you miss seeing it when it comes up behind you at speed.
    > >>
    > >>Indeed. I find that that size of a vehicle doesn't necessarily indicate how
    > >>audible it will be, either, especially in an already noisy environment.
    > >>
    > >>Modern buses are extremely quiet when coasting, and so are many
    > >>trucks; I often notice that a bus is right behind me only when
    > >>the driver plants his foot or brakes, or I see its shadow.

    > >
    > >
    > > And while I'd like to say something along the lines of "if you're riding
    > > without lights, it's kind of up to you to make sure nothing's coming
    > > that isn't going to see you" (like when I run and get caught in the
    > > dark)... we're really missing a lot of info, aren't we? I mean, if the
    > > guy got dragged and his body was such a mess, how do we know there's not
    > > a few small flashers lying out there, or in a driver's pocket? Back to
    > > the other side... "How can a person driving a truck with it's headlights
    > > on, miss seeing a dude on a bike in front?" As for the media harping on
    > > the no helmet thing... um, I don't think a helmet would've helped him
    > > much.
    > >
    > > Tam

    >
    > Slightly off topic. I met a guy once who had been run over by a leopard
    > Main Battle Tank. It had backed over him. YOu cannot fault the driver
    > he could not possibly have seen anything although the TC clearly had
    > screwed up. THe bloke I met hadnt heard it coming.. they are far queter
    > than most would believe, like a big and well muffled tractor (which
    > essentially is what they are)
    >
    > It was soft soil and the track passed over his head. The leopard has a
    > very low pressure footprint and maybe his head was in a particulary soft
    > bit of ground. Anyway he survived looking ok but blinded. He had only
    > been in for a few weeks.. didnt even know enough to look for tanks.
    >
    > WHat impressed me was that I met him cos some army mates were going in
    > to visit him. THey had only known him for that few weeks but years
    > later visited regulary.


    That _was_ OT but we forgive you because the story had a really nice
    outcome :D Thanks for sharing

    Tam
     


  2. Tamyka Bell

    Tamyka Bell Guest

    dave wrote:
    >
    > Tamyka Bell wrote:
    > > Michael Warner wrote:
    > >
    > >>On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:26:19 +1000, SteveA wrote:
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>The statement in the article in the Australian that concerns me the most
    > >>>(bearing in mind the first paragraph that said the cyclist was hit from
    > >>>behind) is from the local Supt of Police who is quoted as saying, "How
    > >>>can you miss seeing a truck - they are lit up so well."
    > >>>
    > >>>I guess you miss seeing it when it comes up behind you at speed.
    > >>
    > >>Indeed. I find that that size of a vehicle doesn't necessarily indicate how
    > >>audible it will be, either, especially in an already noisy environment.
    > >>
    > >>Modern buses are extremely quiet when coasting, and so are many
    > >>trucks; I often notice that a bus is right behind me only when
    > >>the driver plants his foot or brakes, or I see its shadow.

    > >
    > >
    > > And while I'd like to say something along the lines of "if you're riding
    > > without lights, it's kind of up to you to make sure nothing's coming
    > > that isn't going to see you" (like when I run and get caught in the
    > > dark)... we're really missing a lot of info, aren't we? I mean, if the
    > > guy got dragged and his body was such a mess, how do we know there's not
    > > a few small flashers lying out there, or in a driver's pocket? Back to
    > > the other side... "How can a person driving a truck with it's headlights
    > > on, miss seeing a dude on a bike in front?" As for the media harping on
    > > the no helmet thing... um, I don't think a helmet would've helped him
    > > much.
    > >
    > > Tam

    >
    > Slightly off topic. I met a guy once who had been run over by a leopard
    > Main Battle Tank. It had backed over him. YOu cannot fault the driver
    > he could not possibly have seen anything although the TC clearly had
    > screwed up. THe bloke I met hadnt heard it coming.. they are far queter
    > than most would believe, like a big and well muffled tractor (which
    > essentially is what they are)
    >
    > It was soft soil and the track passed over his head. The leopard has a
    > very low pressure footprint and maybe his head was in a particulary soft
    > bit of ground. Anyway he survived looking ok but blinded. He had only
    > been in for a few weeks.. didnt even know enough to look for tanks.
    >
    > WHat impressed me was that I met him cos some army mates were going in
    > to visit him. THey had only known him for that few weeks but years
    > later visited regulary.


    That _was_ OT but we forgive you because the story had a really nice
    outcome :D Thanks for sharing

    Tam
     
  3. TimC

    TimC Guest

    On 2005-08-08, Tamyka Bell (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
    > And while I'd like to say something along the lines of "if you're riding
    > without lights, it's kind of up to you to make sure nothing's coming
    > that isn't going to see you" (like when I run and get caught in the
    > dark)... we're really missing a lot of info, aren't we? I mean, if the
    > guy got dragged and his body was such a mess, how do we know there's not
    > a few small flashers lying out there, or in a driver's pocket?


    Exactly my suspicion -- it would be so easy to do.

    Then again, if he left his friends place with lights, surely friend
    would have come out by now and said "but he did have lights!".

    --
    TimC
    "Meddle not in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle, and will
    piss on your computer." - Jeff Wilder
     
  4. Tamyka Bell wrote:
    > "How can a person driving a truck with it's headlights
    > on, miss seeing a dude on a bike in front?"


    Dark clothing, dark bike, dark road.
    Wee hours tiredness and slow reaction times.
     
  5. TimC wrote:
    > On 2005-08-09, Terry Collins (aka Bruce)
    > was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
    >
    >>Tamyka Bell wrote:
    >>
    >>>"How can a person driving a truck with it's headlights
    >>>on, miss seeing a dude on a bike in front?"

    >>
    >>Dark clothing, dark bike, dark road.
    >>Wee hours tiredness and slow reaction times.

    >
    >
    > The latter excuses are absolutely no excuse *whatsoever*.


    Excuses! No. Just an explanation of a highly likely occurrence. It isn't
    exactly the best action to ensure your survival to go bicycling in the
    wee hours with no lights, no reflectors and dark clothing.

    On the occassions when I've ridden the wee small hours, I don't argue
    about "my rights" with a guy/gal/? that is just trying to do his job and
    whom I know is liable to be just a little fatigued. I think that is
    ignoring the education I've picked up about body cycles in my life.


    Nor do I hear too many people complaining about how food, clothing, etc,
    etc is just too cheap, because it is so because truck drivers those wee
    small hours.

    I am not going to piss on about him being clobbered. Nor how long his
    body was dragged for. Trucks take that long to stop.

    It is a different kettle of fish if the driver was drug tested and found
    to be seeing pink elephants (local ex-truckie story about why he gave up
    taking the uppers).
     
  6. Tamyka Bell

    Tamyka Bell Guest

    Terry Collins wrote:
    >
    > TimC wrote:
    > > On 2005-08-09, Terry Collins (aka Bruce)
    > > was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
    > >
    > >>Tamyka Bell wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>"How can a person driving a truck with it's headlights
    > >>>on, miss seeing a dude on a bike in front?"
    > >>
    > >>Dark clothing, dark bike, dark road.
    > >>Wee hours tiredness and slow reaction times.

    > >
    > >
    > > The latter excuses are absolutely no excuse *whatsoever*.

    >
    > Excuses! No. Just an explanation of a highly likely occurrence. It isn't
    > exactly the best action to ensure your survival to go bicycling in the
    > wee hours with no lights, no reflectors and dark clothing.
    >
    > On the occassions when I've ridden the wee small hours, I don't argue
    > about "my rights" with a guy/gal/? that is just trying to do his job and
    > whom I know is liable to be just a little fatigued. I think that is
    > ignoring the education I've picked up about body cycles in my life.


    I've driven the New England Hwy in the middle of the night, I was tired,
    I still saw the wildlife on the road and they certainly didn't have
    lights or reflectors. Not to say the cyclist wasn't being a bit of a
    dickhead and not doing much to help his safety, but there is NO excuse
    for not driving to conditions and those truck headlights light up the
    road a LONG way ahead.

    > Nor do I hear too many people complaining about how food, clothing, etc,
    > etc is just too cheap, because it is so because truck drivers those wee
    > small hours.


    Perhaps you've gotten confused between underpaid truck drivers and
    underpaid factory workers?

    > I am not going to piss on about him being clobbered. Nor how long his
    > body was dragged for. Trucks take that long to stop.
    >
    > It is a different kettle of fish if the driver was drug tested and found
    > to be seeing pink elephants (local ex-truckie story about why he gave up
    > taking the uppers).


    Ew. I heard one about parked cars turning into lizards.

    Tam
     
  7. On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:21:43 +1000, Tamyka Bell wrote:

    > a few small flashers lying out there, or in a driver's pocket? Back to
    > the other side... "How can a person driving a truck with it's headlights
    > on, miss seeing a dude on a bike in front?"


    Putting on my driver's hat, I've found myself getting quite close to darkly
    clad, unlit cyclists at night before seeing them. Certainly well within the
    stopping distance of a semi.

    --
    Home page: http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw
     
  8. On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:21:43 +1000, Tamyka Bell wrote:

    > a few small flashers lying out there, or in a driver's pocket? Back to
    > the other side... "How can a person driving a truck with it's headlights
    > on, miss seeing a dude on a bike in front?"


    Putting on my driver's hat, I've found myself getting quite close to darkly
    clad, unlit cyclists at night before seeing them. Certainly well within the
    stopping distance of a semi.

    --
    Home page: http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw
     
  9. Kyza1980

    Kyza1980 New Member

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    12 years it's been since I lost not only my partner but the father to our 3rd baby I was carrying, just WOW too see such comments especially from the police officer who was suppose to have said such a cruel thing!! Thanks all for the kind words and for everyone else! Please think of his loved ones that see this like I have tonight ! and NO he didn't have dark clothes!
    YES he did have lights and etc.! an just for some REAL info from his widow!! ME he wasn't in the wrong! The truck driver was speeding not too mention wrong side of road, and the fucked up of all he wasn't suppose to be driving or where he was cause he was ment to be sleeping but didn't abide by his log book.. COMPLETE NEGLIGENCE.. we finally had a girl too and she arrived on Valentine's Day 2006.. a gift from heaven.. jay will forever live on thru me and his 3 children. Much love and please be safe on the roads
     
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