KakenBetaal wrote:
||| Roger Zoul wrote:
|||| KakenBetaal wrote:
|||||| Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||| Eating too many treats, since there are considered "normal" things
||| to eat, is not a good thing. I would claim that these treats are
||| the result of run-away technology that is having a hazardous effect
||| on humankind. Basically, we should be eating a diet that has
||| minimal processing. Most things found in a supermarket should not
||| be considered normal food items, imo.
||
|| That's probably all true, but since it's what normal people eat, it
|| comes into the definition of a normal diet.
I disagree. It is the diet that people eat now, but on the grand scale of
things, it is not the diet that allowed mankind to become the dominant
species on this planet.
I should point out that
|| you're making all treats out to be evil in any quantity whatsoever,
Don't you see where I said eating too many treats? Also, people in this
country tend to make every meal a food orgy. If something doesn't taste
good, people don't eat it. Hence, a lot of food becomes treats, because
they have so much added sugar. Combine that will eating too much and there
you go...
|| when I'm quite clearly saying having a few treats every now and then
|| is just fine. Perhaps you forget that treats have been around for
|| much longer than technology has?
Nonsense. Before technology, there was just fruit that had to be picked.
They way food comes to us now is completely and absurbly different than they
way it used to. This is having an incredible impact on our health.
||
||||| And you'll note that I said "diabesity" not diabetes.
||||
|||| Could you link me a definition so I can understand exactly what you
|||| mean? Neither dictionary.com nor google define: show this as a
|||| valid "word".
||
||| Diabesity is simply a term used to describe the link between
||| obesity and diabetes. It is a recently coined term, so it likely
||| won't appear
|| in
||| dictionary.com. The combination of obestiy and diabetes is
||| becoming more and more common place in a society that over consumes
||| carbs and yet gets way
||| too little exercise for the level of carbs consumed.
||
|| Ah, that would explain it. Using a new and perhaps not widely used
|| or accepted word might not be the best way to convey meaning on
|| usenet.
It is the combination of two well known words. Perhaps you should have
bothered to read....
||
||||
|||||| Treats
|||||| are not a direct cause of or contributor to diabetes in any way.
||||
||||| Oh boy....we can go on and on about this.
||||
|||| Looks like you've just admitted there's a tenous and indirect link,
|||| but not a direct one. Thanks!
||
||| What are you talking about? I do think that if people didn't over
|| eat
||| "treats" and other carby items that you find seem to find so much
||| joy in, then the incidence of obesity and diabetes would be much
||| less common. If you're attempting to claim that the increasing
||| occurance of these problems is not related to diet and the over
||| consumption of carbohydrate, then you are simply clueless on the
||| matter.
||
|| Ah, here we come to the crux of the matter. Eating treats doesn't
|| cause obesity, and obesity doesn't necessarily cause diabetes. A
|| lack of willpower related to either or both eating and exercise can
|| easily cause obesity, but one should not blame obesity on treats.
So, now it is simply a lack of willpower? This shows that you have no
appreciation for how certain foods can affect blood sugars in people who
have, for whatever reasons, have learned to be inactive and are constantly
eating too much refined foods. According to you, the reason we see so many
grossly overweight people walking around is simply because they have no
willpower. It has nothing whatsoever to do with what they eat. I'd still
be 130 lbs heavier if I believe that. Heck, at 46 and probably over 370
lbs, I might even be dead....
||
||| I don't know where in the world you live, but the word you are
||| looking for is "lose".
||
|| Yes, my mistake, and thank you for pointing it out.
You do
|| realise that it's not good etiquette to correct spelling and grammar
|| mistakes on usenet, and that AFAIK it's generally considered a sign
|| of having lost the argument?
Not at all. My pointing out your constant misspelling of that simple word
helps you have pose a better argument, else you look very bad. It is just
tiring to watch you constantly misuse the word, that's all. I certainly
would not have bothered about a simple typo, as I'm sure I make plenty
myself.
||
||| I doubt what you're saying is true. A nondiabetic can eat a ton of
||| carbs with no ill-effects other than possible weight gain. You, on
||| the other hand, must walk a tightrope. If your dosage doesn't
||| match the carb load you're ingesting, you could end up in trouble.
||| Miscount or mismeasure, and problems could show up. Not eating
||| treats is likely safer.
||
|| Whether or not I eat treats I still have to balance my dose versus
|| the carbs I'm eating. It doesn't matter whether they are fast or
|| slow carbs, what's important is the amount of carbs versus the
|| amount of insulin.
Eating more carbs means more insulin, doesn't it? Why take more?
||
|| *Every* diabetic has to walk the tightrope, not just me.
||
I disagree. I don't walk a tightrope. Many others don't either. If
you're a T1, then yes, you must walk a tightrope, but pumping in more
insulin because you ate more carbs just doesn't seem wise to me. But then
again, based on the diet advice the ADA gave me some 23 years ago when I
found out I was a T2, I'd have to say that your experience is perhaps
"NORMAL".
|||| I get the impression you feel high-glycaemic-index foods are very
|||| bad for most people to eat.
||
||| IF one does the appropriate exercise, I don't see a problem with
||| it. It is those who are sedentary and get treats and other carby
||| foods, who then eat
||| mroe and more as a result of losing BG control, and then finally
||| become IR or diabetic -- who have the problems. There are a lot of
||| folks in that boat over here in the US.
||
|| I'm confused - on the one hand you say we shouldn't be eating most of
|| the refined foods you see in supermarkets, and on the other hand here
|| you say it's fine with exercise. I'd agree with you that too much in
|| the way of refined foods isn't good for you and should be avoided.
Well, look at athletes like Lance and the peloton. They are able to use the
extra energy they consume in the form of carbs, so they get it shunted off.
However, inactive people don't so those carbs end up, over time, causing BG
swings, pulling out insulin, and resulting in excess calories being stored
as fat on the body. Also, it has been well demonstrated that excessive
consumption of carbs along with fat leads to a host of other problems.
The next time you go to the supermarket, look at the sheer number of
processed foods. Then pay attention to what those foods are made from. Then
pay attention to what people are putting into the carts. You might even
want to pay attentoin to whether or not those folks are battling weight
problems.
I don't think it is merely a character flaw in millions of people that they
are overweight. There is something driving these people to keep eating so
much. Would you care to guess what I think the cause might be?
||
|||| I feel that in moderation they are just fine
|||| so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this point.
||
||| If you recall, my initial point was about your use of the word
||| "normal", not about your eating treats per se. I don't think a
||| "normal" diet ought to consist of lots of highly refined sugar and
||| flour products, as the typical, ie, "normal," American diet seems
||| to these days.
||
|| Ah!!! So you admit that what you would want or hope a normal diet to
|| be is not what is actually normal. I think you've gone off on this
|| big workout of the chip on your shoulder, with little connection to
|| what I initially posted. I initially said that the approach I've
|| been taught allows one to eat normally. You then went off at a
|| tangent about eating treats as though that's all I ate.
I don't disagree that the typical American diet is full of junk good and
overly processed sugar and flour. However, I don't think it is NORMAL, I
think it is ABNORMAL, brought on my too much technology and very little real
understanding. It's not the diet that humans on this planet started out
eating. Using your logic, it is NORMAL for so many people to be grossly
overweight because we see so many of them walking around.
You did make out like it is some kind of big deal to be able to eat treats
like a 'normal' person, as though that should be the goal of a diabetic.
I'm sorry, but I think that is a poor way to deal with your disease.
Anywho, it's time to get back to other things. Good luck to you and in
controling your diabetes. Ride your bike as that is what I'll be doing.
