Cyclist leaves council in a hole



In article <[email protected]>, Mark
[email protected] says...
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 00:39:45 -0000, Rob Morley <[email protected]>
> wrote:


> I don't believe it's always possible to memorize the exact location of
> every pothole one may encounter.


Neither do I. But as this chap had reported it to the council then
presumably he had figured out where it was in order ot tell them.

> I can't even remember how many
> potholes I pass on the way to/from work. At night they are even
> harder to spot, especially when full of rain.
>

Sounds like a full suspension bike would be appropriate. :)
 
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:40:04 -0000, Rob Morley <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Mark
>[email protected] says...
>> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 00:39:45 -0000, Rob Morley <[email protected]>
>> wrote:

>
>> I don't believe it's always possible to memorize the exact location of
>> every pothole one may encounter.

>
>Neither do I. But as this chap had reported it to the council then
>presumably he had figured out where it was in order ot tell them.
>
>> I can't even remember how many
>> potholes I pass on the way to/from work. At night they are even
>> harder to spot, especially when full of rain.
>>

>Sounds like a full suspension bike would be appropriate. :)


I've already moved from a tourer to a hybrid due to the potholes. I'm
not ready to go to a mountain bike yet (besides I can't afford a
decent one).

M.
 
Mark <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:40:04 -0000, Rob Morley <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>, Mark
> >[email protected] says...
> >> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 00:39:45 -0000, Rob Morley <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:

> >
> >> I don't believe it's always possible to memorize the exact location of
> >> every pothole one may encounter.

> >
> >Neither do I. But as this chap had reported it to the council then
> >presumably he had figured out where it was in order ot tell them.
> >
> >> I can't even remember how many
> >> potholes I pass on the way to/from work. At night they are even
> >> harder to spot, especially when full of rain.
> >>

> >Sounds like a full suspension bike would be appropriate. :)

>
> I've already moved from a tourer to a hybrid due to the potholes. I'm
> not ready to go to a mountain bike yet (besides I can't afford a
> decent one).
>
> M.


for the road you wouldn't need one, big squishy tires will swallow up
road lumps and bumps.

roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com
 
Rob Morley <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <4642be84-2f0f-4a8d-ae05-e052f14d7065
> @t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>, Squashme
> [email protected] says...
>
> > You are confusing knowing it was there, as in right in front of him,
> > with knowing it was there, as in along that stretch of road. Do you
> > really think that he had it triangulated in some way, so that he could
> > be on exactly the right line to avoid it despite it being covered by a
> > bus until the last moment?

>
> If I was bothered enough by a pothole to report it to the council I'd
> probably have a pretty good idea where it was in relation to landmarks.


Maybe you would. I've informed the council of a few potholes. With the
exception of those down my own street, I have then forgotten their
location almost immediately. I use my memory for other things: like
remembering where I put my glasses. [1]

Cheers,
Luke

[1] plural, because I frequently have more than one drink on the go.


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exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>
 
Mark <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:29:04 GMT,
> [email protected] (Ekul Namsob) wrote:
>
> >Rob Morley <[email protected]> wrote:


> >> So he was riding too close/too fast despite the fact he knew the surface
> >> was poor, and he still gets compensation?

> >
> >As I understand it, he had previously advised the council of the defect.
> >The council had failed in its duty to repair the hole. When I have
> >advised my local council of defects, they have repaired them within 48
> >hours.

>
> Lucky you.


I don't believe that having an effective council is a matter of luck. It
is a matter of local voters holding that council to account.

Cheers,
Luke


--
Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>
 
Mark <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:25:48 GMT, Martin Dann <[email protected]>
> wrote:


> >In the same month I advised South Gloucester Council of another sunken
> >manhole cover, that is quite dangerous for cyclists, and they have not
> >yet (as of early December) done anything about it.

>
> About 5 years to repair a hole in Gloucester is about average IME.


I trust you vote for a different party from the one that is in charge of
that authority.

Cheers,
Luke

--
Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>
 
Mark wrote:
>>
>> I did advise the council (Bristol) of a hole at least 15cm deep in a
>> brick foot path near me last summer, and they repaired it in about one
>> month.
>> In the same month I advised South Gloucester Council of another sunken
>> manhole cover, that is quite dangerous for cyclists, and they have not
>> yet (as of early December) done anything about it.

>
> About 5 years to repair a hole in Gloucester is about average IME.


Things haven't changed in the last 700 years then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Foster


--
Don Whybrow

Sequi Bonum Non Time

Freedom defined is freedom denied. (Illuminatus)
 
In article <[email protected]>, Mark
[email protected] says...
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:40:04 -0000, Rob Morley <[email protected]>
> wrote:


> >Sounds like a full suspension bike would be appropriate. :)

>
> I've already moved from a tourer to a hybrid due to the potholes.


Could you not have put fat tyres on the tourer?

> I'm
> not ready to go to a mountain bike yet (besides I can't afford a
> decent one).
>

You don't need a decent one for commuting through potholes unless your
commute is hilly and more than a few miles.
 
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 04:32:58 -0000, Rob Morley <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Mark
>[email protected] says...
>> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:40:04 -0000, Rob Morley <[email protected]>
>> wrote:

>
>> >Sounds like a full suspension bike would be appropriate. :)

>>
>> I've already moved from a tourer to a hybrid due to the potholes.

>
>Could you not have put fat tyres on the tourer?


No. The reason for changing to a hybrid was the the tourer was
destroyed by a pothole!

>> I'm
>> not ready to go to a mountain bike yet (besides I can't afford a
>> decent one).
>>

>You don't need a decent one for commuting through potholes unless your
>commute is hilly and more than a few miles.


I'm not prepared to buy a BSO and my route is hilly, although not very
far. Due to the nature of the traffic I feel safer going fast to keep
up with the traffic which is really why I would rather avoid a
mountain bike.

M.
 
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:37:42 GMT,
[email protected] (Ekul Namsob) wrote:

>Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:25:48 GMT, Martin Dann <[email protected]>
>> wrote:

>
>> >In the same month I advised South Gloucester Council of another sunken
>> >manhole cover, that is quite dangerous for cyclists, and they have not
>> >yet (as of early December) done anything about it.

>>
>> About 5 years to repair a hole in Gloucester is about average IME.

>
>I trust you vote for a different party from the one that is in charge of
>that authority.


It doesn't make any difference IMHO. IIRC control of the council has
shifted from one party to another and the roads never get any better.

M.
 
Mark <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:37:42 GMT,
> [email protected] (Ekul Namsob) wrote:
>
> >Mark <[email protected]> wrote:


> >> About 5 years to repair a hole in Gloucester is about average IME.

> >
> >I trust you vote for a different party from the one that is in charge of
> >that authority.

>
> It doesn't make any difference IMHO. IIRC control of the council has
> shifted from one party to another and the roads never get any better.


Have you bothered telling your local councillor?

Cheers,
Luke

--
Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>
 
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:20:31 GMT,
[email protected] (Ekul Namsob) wrote:

>Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:37:42 GMT,
>> [email protected] (Ekul Namsob) wrote:
>>
>> >Mark <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>> >> About 5 years to repair a hole in Gloucester is about average IME.
>> >
>> >I trust you vote for a different party from the one that is in charge of
>> >that authority.

>>
>> It doesn't make any difference IMHO. IIRC control of the council has
>> shifted from one party to another and the roads never get any better.

>
>Have you bothered telling your local councillor?


ROTFL!

M.
 
Mark <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:20:31 GMT,
> [email protected] (Ekul Namsob) wrote:
>
> >Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:37:42 GMT,
> >> [email protected] (Ekul Namsob) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Mark <[email protected]> wrote:

> >
> >> >> About 5 years to repair a hole in Gloucester is about average IME.
> >> >
> >> >I trust you vote for a different party from the one that is in charge of
> >> >that authority.
> >>
> >> It doesn't make any difference IMHO. IIRC control of the council has
> >> shifted from one party to another and the roads never get any better.

> >
> >Have you bothered telling your local councillor?

>
> ROTFL!


Will that will be a 'no' then? If you cannot be bothered to tell your
councillor, why on earth should the councillor bother to do anything
about it?

Cheers,
Luke


--
Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>
 
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:17:01 -0000, Rob Morley <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Mark
>[email protected] says...
>> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 04:32:58 -0000, Rob Morley <[email protected]>
>> wrote:

>
>> >Could you not have put fat tyres on the tourer?

>>
>> No. The reason for changing to a hybrid was the the tourer was
>> destroyed by a pothole!
>>

>Oh dear. Really destroyed?


Beyond economic repair at least :-(

M.
 
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:55:38 GMT,
[email protected] (Ekul Namsob) wrote:

>Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:20:31 GMT,
>> [email protected] (Ekul Namsob) wrote:
>>
>> >Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:37:42 GMT,
>> >> [email protected] (Ekul Namsob) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> About 5 years to repair a hole in Gloucester is about average IME.
>> >> >
>> >> >I trust you vote for a different party from the one that is in charge of
>> >> >that authority.
>> >>
>> >> It doesn't make any difference IMHO. IIRC control of the council has
>> >> shifted from one party to another and the roads never get any better.
>> >
>> >Have you bothered telling your local councillor?

>>
>> ROTFL!

>
>Will that will be a 'no' then? If you cannot be bothered to tell your
>councillor, why on earth should the councillor bother to do anything
>about it?


Why do you incorrectly assume I am not bothered to do anything about
it? I have make countless phone calls, written emails and snail mail
letters rarely have they resulted in a repair. The council has now
admitted that it does not have the money to repair all the roads.

M.
 
Thought I'd add my tale just for fun.

On a rainy dark morning last Spring I hit a pothole (in my car
admittedly) doing about £120 of tyre, wheel and suspension damage. I
was well within the speed limit doing about 45 in a 60. The pothole
was full of water and could not be distinguished from any other puddle
or surface water.

So what? - well the twist is this:

The road had been in deteriorating for a long time.
The council put up those 'We're going to be working on this road'
signs - which you could take as acknowledgement that the road needs
fixed, perhaps (If not it would be a blatant waste of money, no?)
The signs had a date by when the work should be completed - end of
March as it happened.
By end of March, much of the road was greatly improved but, as I
learned on 11th April, not all of it!

I tried to get compensation on grounds that the council were negilgent
because
they knew the road was in poor state - the original signs,
had undertaken to do something about it - the works,
had failed to do that completely by a time they had publicised - end
of March
and
had failed to indicate that work was incomplete - big hole on 11th
April.

I had all kinds of lawyers and insurance companies, claims assessors
and hoops to deal with.
They told me that the road had been surveyed and found fit (therefore
they had no responsibility for damage etc) but when I asked for sight
of the report was told it was not available to me as it was
confidential (freedom of information? Also this is *my* council whose
costs I contribute to, surely the report is in fact mine, as a
citizen!).
When I asked *why* it was confidential no-one could tell me.
I was asked to corroborate my story - impossible as I was in the car
on my own at about 05.30 on a country road.
I was required to submit photos and measurements - fortunately I had
guessed this and went back before they filled it in
I was 'threatened' - they called it advising me - that if the case
went to court and I lost their policy is to pursue me for their costs.

I have to admit that faced with all this for the sake of £120 I gave
up (got a job, family, life and all that), but was left feeling that
this was exactly what the whole process was designed to achieve.

As far as I can see, all that has happened is that the council no
longer puts up such informative signs! Oh, and they did fill in the
pothole pretty sharpish
 
Mark <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:55:38 GMT,
> [email protected] (Ekul Namsob) wrote:
>
> >Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:20:31 GMT,
> >> [email protected] (Ekul Namsob) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Mark <[email protected]> wrote:


> >> >> It doesn't make any difference IMHO. IIRC control of the council has
> >> >> shifted from one party to another and the roads never get any better.
> >> >
> >> >Have you bothered telling your local councillor?
> >>
> >> ROTFL!

> >
> >Will that will be a 'no' then? If you cannot be bothered to tell your
> >councillor, why on earth should the councillor bother to do anything
> >about it?

>
> Why do you incorrectly assume I am not bothered to do anything about
> it?


I didn't. I asked you a question and followed it with a sentence that
begins with 'if'. You have still not answered my question, have you
bothered to tell your councillor?

Cheers,
Luke


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