Damned loose crank arm.....

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  1. Shaun Rimmer

    Shaun Rimmer Guest

    So, I left work early on Friday with bad back pain, went home, took a pill, had a hot bath and
    climbed into bed. After about 3 hours, I'm feeling a lot better, and I'm now up to pedalling the 7
    miles to my g/f's house to spend the w/e.

    Set off, and no probs, hit the first bit of tarmac, and the nice people have 'installed' some 1.5 -
    2 metre long, but not very high, speed control ramps all down the (steep) hill. Wooo-hooo! Well,
    this means I get to launch off them at 25 + mph, see if I can clean the distance. No probs, and I
    clean a couple.

    another 3 miles-ish down the road, and notice my r/h crank arm is loose, very clunky loose. Shit! -
    I still got about 3 1/2 miles to go, and don't have the big allen key in my tool pack. Tried to
    tighten the best I could, then ride with a dominant left leg (taking it easy).

    Got there eventually, but the crank is all loose again, I figured it would be toast, or at least
    need the old clean up and beer can shim-job. Got a lift home with the bike Sunday, got the allen key
    out, cranked real hard on it (stood and bounced on the bugger), re-adjusted the mech. (yup - still
    in the range it can cover), and took a quick ride up to the shop. So far so good. On the way back
    down, I did a couple of drops (one that's a couple of feet with a bunny hop immediately on landing
    to clear a ledge), generally bounced on the pedals etc. - still OK.

    Same thing on the way to work this morning.

    So far, it looks like I may have got away with it - I feckin' hope so.

    These cranks have been on for some time, were well tightened when first installed (and
    subsequently), and I don't understand why it should ave come loose when it did. They've taken much
    more punishment than this before.....

    Oh well........

    Shaun aRe - Just felt like posting on topic, because apparently, I never
    do..... ',;~}
     
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  2. Michael Dart

    Michael Dart Guest

    "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    > So, I left work early on Friday with bad back pain, went home, took a
    pill,
    > had a hot bath and climbed into bed. After about 3 hours, I'm feeling a
    lot
    > better, and I'm now up to pedalling the 7 miles to my g/f's house to spend the w/e.
    >
    > Set off, and no probs, hit the first bit of tarmac, and the nice people
    have
    > 'installed' some 1.5 - 2 metre long, but not very high, speed control
    ramps
    > all down the (steep) hill. Wooo-hooo! Well, this means I get to launch off them at 25 + mph, see
    > if I can clean the distance. No probs, and I clean a couple.
    >
    > another 3 miles-ish down the road, and notice my r/h crank arm is loose, very clunky loose. Shit!
    > - I still got about 3 1/2 miles to go, and don't have the big allen key in my tool pack. Tried to
    > tighten the best I could, then ride with a dominant left leg (taking it easy).
    >
    > Got there eventually, but the crank is all loose again, I figured it would be toast, or at least
    > need the old clean up and beer can shim-job. Got a lift home with the bike Sunday, got the allen
    > key out, cranked real hard
    on
    > it (stood and bounced on the bugger), re-adjusted the mech. (yup - still
    in
    > the range it can cover), and took a quick ride up to the shop. So far so good. On the way back
    > down, I did a couple of drops (one that's a couple
    of
    > feet with a bunny hop immediately on landing to clear a ledge), generally bounced on the pedals
    > etc. - still OK.
    >
    > Same thing on the way to work this morning.
    >
    > So far, it looks like I may have got away with it - I feckin' hope so.
    >
    > These cranks have been on for some time, were well tightened when first installed (and
    > subsequently), and I don't understand why it should ave
    come
    > loose when it did. They've taken much more punishment than this
    before.....
    >
    >
    > Oh well........
    >
    > Shaun aRe - Just felt like posting on topic, because apparently, I never
    > do..... ',;~}
    >
    >
    >

    If you want to get technical about it you could invest in a 'beam' type torque wrench and torque
    that bolt to about 55 newton meters. (about 35-40 foot/pounds) Which is a heck of a lot more force
    that I could put on it with a hex key. You should be able to get one for about 20 bucks. Unless the
    crank is already fooked it shouldn't come loose after that.

    Mike
     
  3. Shaun Rimmer

    Shaun Rimmer Guest

    Michael Dart <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > >
    > > So, I left work early on Friday with bad back pain, went home, took a
    > pill,
    > > had a hot bath and climbed into bed. After about 3 hours, I'm feeling a
    > lot
    > > better, and I'm now up to pedalling the 7 miles to my g/f's house to
    spend
    > > the w/e.
    > >
    > > Set off, and no probs, hit the first bit of tarmac, and the nice people
    > have
    > > 'installed' some 1.5 - 2 metre long, but not very high, speed control
    > ramps
    > > all down the (steep) hill. Wooo-hooo! Well, this means I get to launch
    off
    > > them at 25 + mph, see if I can clean the distance. No probs, and I clean
    a
    > > couple.
    > >
    > > another 3 miles-ish down the road, and notice my r/h crank arm is loose, very clunky loose.
    > > Shit! - I still got about 3 1/2 miles to go, and
    don't
    > > have the big allen key in my tool pack. Tried to tighten the best I
    could,
    > > then ride with a dominant left leg (taking it easy).
    > >
    > > Got there eventually, but the crank is all loose again, I figured it
    would
    > > be toast, or at least need the old clean up and beer can shim-job. Got a lift home with the bike
    > > Sunday, got the allen key out, cranked real hard
    > on
    > > it (stood and bounced on the bugger), re-adjusted the mech. (yup - still
    > in
    > > the range it can cover), and took a quick ride up to the shop. So far so good. On the way back
    > > down, I did a couple of drops (one that's a couple
    > of
    > > feet with a bunny hop immediately on landing to clear a ledge),
    generally
    > > bounced on the pedals etc. - still OK.
    > >
    > > Same thing on the way to work this morning.
    > >
    > > So far, it looks like I may have got away with it - I feckin' hope so.
    > >
    > > These cranks have been on for some time, were well tightened when first installed (and
    > > subsequently), and I don't understand why it should ave
    > come
    > > loose when it did. They've taken much more punishment than this
    > before.....
    > >
    > >
    > > Oh well........
    > >
    > > Shaun aRe - Just felt like posting on topic, because apparently, I never
    > > do..... ',;~}
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    > If you want to get technical about it you could invest in a 'beam' type torque wrench and torque
    > that bolt to about 55 newton meters.

    Cheers MD - We have one kicking about already....

    > (about 35-40 foot/pounds) Which is a heck of a lot more force that I could put on it
    with
    > a hex key.

    You'd be surprised - long arm hex, booted foot putting 160 lb on it, then add the force of bouncing
    up and down (rinse and repeat) - it should be OK ',;~}

    > You should be able to get one for about 20 bucks. Unless the crank is already fooked it shouldn't
    > come loose after that.

    When I've done the above before, I've never had one come loose - I tend to over tighten if anything
    (put a g/f's wheel back on, using the short brace the car came with, and it took them half an hour
    with the air thingy at the garage to get it off again, and the guys were cursing me all the way). If
    it is fooked (like the old set the same), I'm sure I can file/clean the tapers and shim (must be
    beer can - soda can just doesn't cut it.....) successfully, again, like I did with the old set I put
    on the SS.

    I guess I'm just bugged that I can't see how/why it came loose, that the bike hasn't had any
    trouble for so long, I just recently lightened the tool kit I carry in my pack, and that it
    happened mid journey.

    Shaun aRe frequently used to strip bolts the same size with shorter hex keys (scaffolding pipe makes
    a handly extension, but can be overkill......heh....).
     
  4. Michael Dart

    Michael Dart Guest

    "Shaun Rimmer" <sh[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > You'd be surprised - long arm hex, booted foot putting 160 lb on it, then add the force of
    > bouncing up and down (rinse and repeat) - it should be OK ',;~}

    <Cringe> Yeah that'd to it. By my calcs that's about 80-90ft/lbs (given a 7in hex), about twice as
    much as you need.

    > I guess I'm just bugged that I can't see how/why it came loose, that the bike hasn't had any
    > trouble for so long, I just recently lightened the
    tool
    > kit I carry in my pack, and that it happened mid journey.

    I think you just answered your own question. You "just recently lightened the tool kit".
    Murphy's law.

    >
    > Shaun aRe frequently used to strip bolts the same size with shorter hex
    keys
    > (scaffolding pipe makes a handly extension, but can be overkill......heh....).
    >

    Yes, more isn't always better. ;^)

    Cheers, Mike
     
  5. Shaun Rimmer

    Shaun Rimmer Guest

    Michael Dart <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > You'd be surprised - long arm hex, booted foot putting 160 lb on it,
    then
    > > add the force of bouncing up and down (rinse and repeat) - it should be
    OK
    > > ',;~}
    >
    > <Cringe> Yeah that'd to it. By my calcs that's about 80-90ft/lbs (given a 7in hex), about twice as
    > much as you need.

    I like my parts to be as comfortable as my guests, so I make sure they are well seated.....

    (I'd have put less force on for a normal primary instalation, but these had probably chewed a bit -
    figure it'd help settle them a bit...)..

    > > I guess I'm just bugged that I can't see how/why it came loose, that the bike hasn't had any
    > > trouble for so long, I just recently lightened the
    > tool
    > > kit I carry in my pack, and that it happened mid journey.
    >
    > I think you just answered your own question. You "just recently lightened the tool kit".
    > Murphy's law.

    Yeah - it sucks, even more than carrying 7 or so pounds of tools and spares........

    > > Shaun aRe frequently used to strip bolts the same size with shorter hex
    > keys
    > > (scaffolding pipe makes a handly extension, but can be overkill......heh....).
    > >
    >
    > Yes, more isn't always better. ;^)

    Well, the general rule I follow is: more bad stuff = badder, more good stuff up to the naturally
    existing maximum limit (where aplicable) = gooder.

    Shaun aRe - it's an exact science, like picking apples.
     
  6. Bill Wheeler

    Bill Wheeler Guest

    On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:25:01 -0000, "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >
    >So, I left work early on Friday with bad back pain, went home, took a pill, had a hot bath and
    >climbed into bed. After about 3 hours, I'm feeling a lot better, and I'm now up to pedalling the 7
    >miles to my g/f's house to spend the w/e.

    Feck the crank arm...go see a doc. about the back pain. Taking meds just covers up the problem.

    Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
    should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
    :-]
     
  7. Mark Hickey

    Mark Hickey Guest

    "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >You'd be surprised - long arm hex, booted foot putting 160 lb on it, then add the force of bouncing
    >up and down (rinse and repeat) - it should be OK ',;~}
    >
    >> You should be able to get one for about 20 bucks. Unless the crank is already fooked it shouldn't
    >> come loose after that.
    >
    >When I've done the above before, I've never had one come loose - I tend to over tighten if anything
    >(put a g/f's wheel back on, using the short brace the car came with, and it took them half an hour
    >with the air thingy at the garage to get it off again, and the guys were cursing me all the way).
    >If it is fooked (like the old set the same), I'm sure I can file/clean the tapers and shim (must be
    >beer can - soda can just doesn't cut it.....) successfully, again, like I did with the old set I
    >put on the SS.
    >
    >I guess I'm just bugged that I can't see how/why it came loose, that the bike hasn't had any
    >trouble for so long, I just recently lightened the tool kit I carry in my pack, and that it
    >happened mid journey.

    One of the things you'll notice if you get a torque wrench is that by the time you get to about
    half the torque you need, you STILL have to rotate the bolt at least one full turn (very different
    than a non-tapered application, where just a small fraction of a turn will require dramatically
    more torque).

    >Shaun aRe frequently used to strip bolts the same size with shorter hex keys (scaffolding pipe
    >makes a handly extension, but can be overkill......heh....).

    No thanks, I'll work on my own bike... ;-)

    Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame
     
  8. Lone Wolf

    Lone Wolf Guest

    my haro has a cracked crank arm... on the drive side... getting a new crank set and bottom bracket
    for about $100 this weekend
     
  9. Bill Wheeler

    Bill Wheeler Guest

    On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:40:05 -0800 (PST), [email protected] (lone wolf) wrote:

    >my haro has a cracked crank arm... on the drive side... getting a new crank set and bottom bracket
    >for about $100 this weekend

    Put it on and ride Elle Dubya!

    Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
    should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
    :-]
     
  10. Bomba

    Bomba Guest

    Bill Wheeler wrote:

    >>So, I left work early on Friday with bad back pain, went home, took a pill, had a hot bath and
    >>climbed into bed. After about 3 hours, I'm feeling a lot better, and I'm now up to pedalling the 7
    >>miles to my g/f's house to spend the w/e.
    >
    >
    > Feck the crank arm...go see a doc. about the back pain. Taking meds just covers up the problem.

    Good point. If you're in the UK, these people are miracle workers: http://www.mctimoney.net/

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  11. Shaun Rimmer

    Shaun Rimmer Guest

    Mark Hickey <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > >
    > >When I've done the above before, I've never had one come loose - I tend
    to
    > >over tighten if anything (put a g/f's wheel back on, using the short
    brace
    > >the car came with, and it took them half an hour with the air thingy at
    the
    > >garage to get it off again, and the guys were cursing me all the way). If
    it
    > >is fooked (like the old set the same), I'm sure I can file/clean the
    tapers
    > >and shim (must be beer can - soda can just doesn't cut it.....) successfully, again, like I did
    > >with the old set I put on the SS.
    > >
    > >I guess I'm just bugged that I can't see how/why it came loose, that the bike hasn't had any
    > >trouble for so long, I just recently lightened the
    tool
    > >kit I carry in my pack, and that it happened mid journey.
    >
    > One of the things you'll notice if you get a torque wrench is that by the time you get to about
    > half the torque you need, you STILL have to rotate the bolt at least one full turn (very different
    > than a non-tapered application, where just a small fraction of a turn will require dramatically
    > more torque).

    Already know this, firstly it's obvious to a practically minded person like me (truth!) just
    thinking about it, and can be confirmed just by 'feel' when doing the task to anyone who has any
    nerves left ',;~}

    > >Shaun aRe frequently used to strip bolts the same size with shorter hex
    keys
    > >(scaffolding pipe makes a handly extension, but can be overkill......heh....).
    >
    > No thanks, I'll work on my own bike... ;-)

    I don't strip threads on bike bolts, unless they are shit bike bolts - I usually check any new bolts
    on bikes/bike parts for toughness when I get them, and replace them with a good grade stainless from
    the local fastener specialists a.s.a.p, if they are weak/mild steel etc.

    I am a good mechanic - ask anyone who I've done any work for, but tell me before you ask so I have
    time to buy them beer.

    Shaun aRe
     
  12. Shaun Rimmer

    Shaun Rimmer Guest

    Bill Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:25:01 -0000, "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >
    > >So, I left work early on Friday with bad back pain, went home, took a
    pill,
    > >had a hot bath and climbed into bed. After about 3 hours, I'm feeling a
    lot
    > >better, and I'm now up to pedalling the 7 miles to my g/f's house to
    spend
    > >the w/e.
    >
    > Feck the crank arm...go see a doc. about the back pain.

    If it persists now that I'm off the SS icebike, I will, but I think that bike was the cause, and
    once it'd started, lesser strains caused the problem to re-surface.

    > Taking meds just covers up the problem.

    I'm not taking analgesics of any kind, I'm taking (occasionally) Diclofenac, an NSAID. NSAID's help
    reduce the inflammation, and can speed actual recovery, rather than masking the problem.

    Thanks for the concern though Bill - appreciated.

    Shaun aRe
     
  13. Michael Dart

    Michael Dart Guest

    "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    > I don't strip threads on bike bolts, unless they are shit bike bolts - I usually check any new
    > bolts on bikes/bike parts for toughness when I get them, and replace them with a good grade
    > stainless from the local fastener specialists a.s.a.p, if they are weak/mild steel etc.
    >

    I don't strip the threads on bolts either, it's the soft aluminium they are in that strips. ;^)

    > I am a good mechanic - ask anyone who I've done any work for, but tell me before you ask so I have
    > time to buy them beer.
    >

    Shaun is a good mechanic.

    Mike - Cheers! ;^)
     
  14. Shaun Rimmer

    Shaun Rimmer Guest

    Michael Dart <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > >
    > > I don't strip threads on bike bolts, unless they are shit bike bolts - I usually check any new
    > > bolts on bikes/bike parts for toughness when I get them, and replace them with a good grade
    > > stainless from the local
    fastener
    > > specialists a.s.a.p, if they are weak/mild steel etc.
    > >
    >
    > I don't strip the threads on bolts either, it's the soft aluminium they
    are
    > in that strips. ;^)

    Aye - some stuff I just drill out and put a steel nut in instead - I fucking _hate_ aluminium
    threads unless there is a decent length to them. Should all be helicoiled anyhow......

    > > I am a good mechanic - ask anyone who I've done any work for, but tell
    me
    > > before you ask so I have time to buy them beer.
    > >
    >
    > Shaun is a good mechanic.
    >
    > Mike - Cheers! ;^)

    Have a pint of Hopback Summer Lightning on me MD!

    ',;~}

    Shaun aRe - After just one month in the training garage, I was put on duty teaching the other
    trainees, 'cos I'm smart me.
     
  15. Supabonbon

    Supabonbon Guest

    "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > Bill Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:25:01 -0000, "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >So, I left work early on Friday with bad back pain, went home, took a
    > pill,
    > > >had a hot bath and climbed into bed. After about 3 hours, I'm feeling a
    > lot
    > > >better, and I'm now up to pedalling the 7 miles to my g/f's house to
    > spend
    > > >the w/e.
    > >
    > > Feck the crank arm...go see a doc. about the back pain.
    >
    > If it persists now that I'm off the SS icebike, I will, but I think that bike was the cause, and
    > once it'd started, lesser strains caused the problem to re-surface.
    >
    > > Taking meds just covers up the problem.
    >
    > I'm not taking analgesics of any kind, I'm taking (occasionally) Diclofenac, an NSAID. NSAID's
    > help reduce the inflammation, and can speed actual recovery, rather than masking the problem.
    >
    > Thanks for the concern though Bill - appreciated.
    >
    >
    > Shaun aRe

    First the disclaimer: I'm not a trained physician. I'm not really a trained anything. And, from
    previous experiences, I think chiros are bunk. Now the opinion: meds are good. Anything that gets
    you upright and mobile without hunching over is good for your healing. And the 'solution': For my
    lower back, the best thing I've found (other than yoga, situps, weights, etc) is simply hanging from
    a bar for a little while. Take 20 or so seconds to relax your breathing and then start easy twists,
    swinging your feet back and forth in a gentle circular motion. The motion should originate in your
    hips, and can run up and through your shoulders. Don't try anything jarring, the key is relaxation,
    letting your muscles elongate. Solution II: if that doesn't work, a good massage is a wonderful
    thing as well. I'm not convinced that a good massage therapist knows any less about anatomy than
    your average chiro, and their methods seem a lot less severe. Solution III: I once had accupressure
    performed. It helped greatly for around 10 minutes. To be fair, this was when my back was really
    fugged up, more than some nerve manipulation could fix. And the chiro's 'work' lasted for maybe half
    that time. /s
     
  16. Bomba

    Bomba Guest

    supabonbon wrote:

    > First the disclaimer: I'm not a trained physician. I'm not really a trained anything. And, from
    > previous experiences, I think chiros are bunk. Now the opinion: meds are good. Anything that gets
    > you upright and mobile without hunching over is good for your healing. And the 'solution': For my
    > lower back, the best thing I've found (other than yoga, situps, weights, etc) is simply hanging
    > from a bar for a little while. Take 20 or so seconds to relax your breathing and then start easy
    > twists, swinging your feet back and forth in a gentle circular motion. The motion should originate
    > in your hips, and can run up and through your shoulders. Don't try anything jarring, the key is
    > relaxation, letting your muscles elongate. Solution II: if that doesn't work, a good massage is a
    > wonderful thing as well. I'm not convinced that a good massage therapist knows any less about
    > anatomy than your average chiro, and their methods seem a lot less severe. Solution III: I once
    > had accupressure performed. It helped greatly for around 10 minutes. To be fair, this was when my
    > back was really fugged up, more than some nerve manipulation could fix. And the chiro's 'work'
    > lasted for maybe half that time.

    I've had similar experiences with traditional chiros, but had fantastic results with a group I've
    mentioned elsewhere in the thread. It's a sort of combination of chiro and massage that involves
    gentle manipulation of the back (and other parts of the body). Within two sessions I was right as
    rain, which, considering the damage I'd done to myself, was rather impressive.
     
  17. Gopherhockey

    Gopherhockey Guest

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  18. Gabrielle

    Gabrielle Guest

    On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:17:22 -0800, Bill Wheeler wrote:

    > On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:40:05 -0800 (PST), [email protected] (lone wolf) wrote:
    >
    >>my haro has a cracked crank arm... on the drive side... getting a new crank set and bottom bracket
    >>for about $100 this weekend
    >
    > Put it on and ride Elle Dubya!

    Reminds me of a guy I overheard in the LBS last week. Something like "This new-fangled equipment is
    for you pretty boys. It takes a real biker to hang in and ride the old broken-down equipment."

    hee hee

    gabrielle
     
  19. Bill Wheeler

    Bill Wheeler Guest

    On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:45:40 -0800, gabrielle <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:17:22 -0800, Bill Wheeler wrote:
    >
    >> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:40:05 -0800 (PST), [email protected] (lone wolf) wrote:
    >>
    >>>my haro has a cracked crank arm... on the drive side... getting a new crank set and bottom
    >>>bracket for about $100 this weekend
    >>
    >> Put it on and ride Elle Dubya!
    >
    >Reminds me of a guy I overheard in the LBS last week. Something like "This new-fangled equipment is
    >for you pretty boys. It takes a real biker to hang in and ride the old broken-down equipment."
    >
    >hee hee
    >
    >gabrielle
    D'oh!

    bill

    The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give
    an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
    :-]
     
  20. Shaun Rimmer

    Shaun Rimmer Guest

    supabonbon <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Shaun Rimmer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...

    > > I'm not taking analgesics of any kind, I'm taking (occasionally)
    Diclofenac,
    > > an NSAID. NSAID's help reduce the inflammation, and can speed actual recovery, rather than
    > > masking the problem.
    > >
    > > Thanks for the concern though Bill - appreciated.
    > >
    > >
    > > Shaun aRe
    >
    > First the disclaimer: I'm not a trained physician. I'm not really a trained anything. And, from
    > previous experiences, I think chiros are bunk. Now the opinion: meds are good. Anything that gets
    > you upright and mobile without hunching over is good for your healing.

    To a large extent, I agree here, and that is the traditional view of doctors also.

    > And the 'solution': For my lower back, the best thing I've found (other than yoga, situps,
    > weights, etc) is simply hanging from a bar for a little while. Take 20 or so seconds to relax your
    > breathing and then start easy twists, swinging your feet back and forth in a gentle circular
    > motion. The motion should originate in your hips, and can run up and through your shoulders. Don't
    > try anything jarring, the key is relaxation, letting your muscles elongate.

    This I know, and I would do, but I have nowhere with a bar ATM. I have however, used a curved padded
    surface (couche arm, over the edge of the bed etc.) to help stretch the back a little - the problem
    does appear to be caused by compression.

    > Solution II: if that doesn't work, a good massage is a wonderful thing as well. I'm not convinced
    > that a good massage therapist knows any less about anatomy than your average chiro, and their
    > methods seem a lot less severe.

    Heh - my girl freind is a fully qualified massge therapist - Swedish massage, reflexology,
    aromatherapy - the works, so I've been getting the, errmmm, 'full treatment'....heh! (I'm one lucky
    bastard eh?). ',;~}

    > Solution III: I once had accupressure performed. It helped greatly for around 10 minutes. To be
    > fair, this was when my back was really fugged up, more than some nerve manipulation could fix. And
    > the chiro's 'work' lasted for maybe half that time.

    I'd say bad chiro then - my mum had been troubled by severe back problems for years on end, and
    could be crippled for weeks by it sometimes. Her doc just gave her painkillers and advised rest.
    Never got any better over time, so she went to a recommended chiro.

    1st visit, no probls for 3 months, 2nd visit, 6 months, 3rd visit 2 years, 4th visit, she's never
    been back. Although she still occasionally has back problems, they are never as severe as before,
    and never last for very long.

    Cheers!

    Shaun aRe - mine is getting much better already.
     
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