Dangerous bike lane obstructions in Redwood City

[Tom Sherman]

Bill Zaumen wrote:
> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Bill Zaumen wrote:
>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>> Bill Zaumen wrote:
>>>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Zaumen wrote:
>>>>>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, mess with the bus, and the consequences are dire
>>>>>>>>>> and immediate.
>>>>>>>>> See what happens if that excuse is run by one's insurance company, or
>>>>>>>>> a judge and jury if there is a fatality.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dead cyclists have a hard time telling their side of the story, no?
>>>>>>> Accidents can have witnesses.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> And juries that are usually cagers and seldom cyclists. Same for the police.
>>>>> Conspiracy theory.
>>>>>
>>>> Reality, based on juries being somewhat representative of the
>>>> population as a whole.
>>> Conspiracy theory.
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>> Wrong again - about the logical interpretation as buses do get into
>>>>> accidents with other vehicles and drivers have been known to cut off
>>>>> much larger vehicles. Usually it is not malice but inattentiveness.
>>>>>
>>>> Drive in a city much, Bill? Five to ten incidents per hour of people
>>>> deliberately violating others right-of-way because they think they can
>>>> get away with it is common.
>>> Is that your way of deflecting attention from the fact that you make
>>> your thing about buses up? You claimed people did not violate a
>>> bus' right of way because it was so much bigger. I pointed out that
>>> at they do things like cutting off buses, mostly due to inattentiveness
>>> (it's not like they think they'll come out OK in an accident, so
>>> inattentiveness is the most reaonable explanation).
>>>
>> Does honking the horn and "flipping the bird" at the cyclist also come
>> from inattentiveness after cutting off the cyclist?
>>
>> Do motorists deliberately play chicken with the bus, considering the
>> consequences?
>>
>> Time for Bill Zaumen to get out in the real world.
>
> Time for you to get a sense of reality, and for you to stop trying to
> change the subject to weasel out of an untennable position.
>
Got anything of content to post?

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"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
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[Tom Sherman]

Bill Zaumen wrote:
> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Bill Zaumen wrote:
>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>> Ever drive in Chicago?
>>> Why? I've never been there (aside from the airport, which is the
>>> pits).
>>>
>> Drive in Chicagoland, and you will find out what aggressive drivers
>> are like.
>
> Given how factually challenged everything else you posted is, why
> should I believe you?
>
Mr. Zaumen is confusing his opinions with facts.

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

 

[Tom Sherman]

Bill Zaumen wrote:
> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Bill Zaumen wrote:
>>> vey <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>> Bill Z. wrote:
>>>>> vey <[email protected]> writes:
>
>>>> http://www.wftv.com/news/6791504/detail.html
>>> And if you include data about how far into the red phase the light
>>> running went, you'll find that it is just a few seconds in most cases.
>>>
>>>> I have been on my bike waiting patiently for a light to change with
>>>> one foot on the curb, only to hear a car approach from the
>>>> rear. Didn't even slow down as it sailed through the intersection. Do
>>>> you think I am making this up?
>>> Nope, but I think Tom is making up the part about it being a "big
>>> car versus small car/bicycle" thing.
>>>
>> I think Zaumen is making things up now. I was comparing the relative
>> relationship of cyclists and buses to passenger motor vehicles. That
>> comparison is valid in any place where there is a curb lane marked for
>> "Bicycles and Buses Only".
>
> Actually, you were merely babbling incoherently.
> <snip>
>
>>>> Bill, we people tell me that they want to be safe from the Hondas,
>>>> what exactly do you think they mean?
>>> That either you are making it all up or they don't want to admit
>>> to making a dumb decision when they bought their gas guzzler.
>>> I've yet to hear someone say "I bought an SUV to be safe from
>>> Hondas". They may think they'll be safer in a crash if they are
>>> in something that looks like a tank, but that doesn't mean they
>>> want to use the vehicle as a battering ram.
>>>
>> No, because they know that cyclists will get out of their way (unless
>> the cyclist has a death wish). Wanting to hit cyclists is a totally
>> different matter than just wanting to intimidate them with mass.
>
> No, you really don't have a clue.
>
Get out of Silly Cone Valley and into the rest of the world. I see a
projection of an environment that is atypical of the whole onto the
whole being performed here.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

 

[Bill Z.]

vey <[email protected]> writes:

> Tom Sherman wrote:
>
> > Ever drive in Chicago?

> People told me how awful it was to drive in Boston and Chitown.

Well, I have driven in Boston and ridden a bike there. Now, drivers
could be pretty eratic, but it was random - they weren't targeting
anyone in particular. But that was a while ago, and conditions may
have changed.

I can see why Tom Sherman had to try to change the subject, though.

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[Tom Sherman]

Bill Zaumen wrote:
> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Bill Zaumen wrote:
>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>> Bill Zaumen wrote:
>>>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Zaumen wrote:
>>>>>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most places I have been in the US, tickets are hardly ever issued for
>>>>>> anything besides speeding and DUI, and the speed limits are clearly
>>>>>> posted. Not much is required in knowing the "rules of the road".
>>>>> Your statement that "tickets are hardly ever issued for anything
>>>>> besides speeding and DUI" is shear nonsense. Download
>>>>> <http://www.hsmv.state.fl.us/reports/fiveyearviolations.pdf> (just did
>>>>> a google search and that was the first one I found from an official
>>>>> government source). DUI is small and speeding accounts for under 1/2
>>>>> of non-criminal moving violations. For 2003, there were 1,155,218
>>>>> citations for exceeding the posted speed limit versus 2,398,031
>>>>> non-criminal moving violations. There were 531,230 criminal
>>>>> moving violations (of which DUI represented a mere 65,113 case).
>>>>>
>>>> How many of the other violations were in conjunction with a speeding
>>>> stop? How many of the "other non-moving" violations were plea deals
>>>> for speeding (a common practice)? How many were stops for DWB? Is
>>>> Florida representative of the country as a whole? The raw numbers do
>>>> not tell the whole story.
>>> Look, you just made a fool of yourself by stating that "tickets are
>>> hardly ever issued for anything besides speeding and DUI", and I did
>>> a quick google search and found one set of state data that shows you
>>> simply made your "fact" up. Now you are just trying to ask more
>>> "questions" in an attempt to weasle out of it by throwing out a lot
>>> of BS.
>>>
>> I see that there are no answers to my questions.
>
> They were stupid queestions. Come up with something serious. It was
> obvious that you were simply making things up.
>>
Still no answers.

>>> The vast majority of people simply write a check and mail in the fine,
>>> maybe with some grumbling. Very few go to court. If you don't go to
>>> talk and interact with a DA, there is not going to be any "plea deal".
>>>
>> Citation?
>
> Good grief. Ask 10 people at your office. "Citation" as a response
> to what should be common knowledge is just a rhetorical ploy used when
> some usenet clown gets caught making things up.
>
What if there are less than 10 people in my office who have received
traffic citations recently?

>>>>> There's really no point in having a "discussion" with you if you
>>>>> continually get all the facts wrong.
>>>>>
>>>> Which facts?
>>> The ones you get wrong, which seems to be most of them. I gave
>>> sveral examples above.
>>>
>> Where?
>
> Read the goddamn post.
>
Citation that God has dammed the post?

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

 

[Tom Sherman]

Bill Zaumen wrote:
> vey <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>
>>> Ever drive in Chicago?
>
>> People told me how awful it was to drive in Boston and Chitown.
>
> Well, I have driven in Boston and ridden a bike there. Now, drivers
> could be pretty eratic, but it was random - they weren't targeting
> anyone in particular. But that was a while ago, and conditions may
> have changed.
>
> I can see why Tom Sherman had to try to change the subject, though.
>
Ever drive in the 'hood?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

 

[Bill Z.]

Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:

> Bill Zaumen wrote:
> > Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> >> different matter than just wanting to intimidate them with mass.
> > No, you really don't have a clue.
> >
> Get out of Silly Cone Valley and into the rest of the world. I see a
> projection of an environment that is atypical of the whole onto the
> whole being performed here.

That's your most cluless comment to date. Come back when you have
something substantive to say.


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[Bill Z.]

Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:

> Bill Zaumen wrote:
> > Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> >> Come here and drive in the 'hood, and see how you do. Hint: NEVER,
> >> EVER MAKE EYE CONTACT WITH ANOTHER DRIVER.
> > How stupid can you be?
> >
> OK, come to the 'hood and get capped by a gangbanger. This ain't Silly
> Cone Valley. Its your funeral (literally), not mine.

Are you an adult?


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[Bill Z.]

Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:

> Bill Zaumen wrote:
> > Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
> >> Do motorists deliberately play chicken with the bus, considering the
> >> consequences?
> >>
> >> Time for Bill Zaumen to get out in the real world.
> > Time for you to get a sense of reality, and for you to stop trying to
> > change the subject to weasel out of an untennable position.
> >
> Got anything of content to post?

Let's just say I'm getting tired of having to cross check the stuff
you post just to verify how wrong it is, which I've done several times
in the last two days.



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[Bill Z.]

Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:

> Bill Zaumen wrote:
> > Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> >> Bill Zaumen wrote:
> >>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
> >>>
> >>>> Bill Zaumen wrote:
> >>>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Bill Zaumen wrote:
> >>>>>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Most places I have been in the US, tickets are hardly ever issued for
> >>>>>> anything besides speeding and DUI, and the speed limits are clearly
> >>>>>> posted. Not much is required in knowing the "rules of the road".
> >>>>> Your statement that "tickets are hardly ever issued for anything
> >>>>> besides speeding and DUI" is shear nonsense. Download
> >>>>> <http://www.hsmv.state.fl.us/reports/fiveyearviolations.pdf> (just did
> >>>>> a google search and that was the first one I found from an official
> >>>>> government source). DUI is small and speeding accounts for under 1/2
> >>>>> of non-criminal moving violations. For 2003, there were 1,155,218
> >>>>> citations for exceeding the posted speed limit versus 2,398,031
> >>>>> non-criminal moving violations. There were 531,230 criminal
> >>>>> moving violations (of which DUI represented a mere 65,113 case).
> >>>>>
> >>>> How many of the other violations were in conjunction with a speeding
> >>>> stop? How many of the "other non-moving" violations were plea deals
> >>>> for speeding (a common practice)? How many were stops for DWB? Is
> >>>> Florida representative of the country as a whole? The raw numbers do
> >>>> not tell the whole story.
> >>> Look, you just made a fool of yourself by stating that "tickets are
> >>> hardly ever issued for anything besides speeding and DUI", and I did
> >>> a quick google search and found one set of state data that shows you
> >>> simply made your "fact" up. Now you are just trying to ask more
> >>> "questions" in an attempt to weasle out of it by throwing out a lot
> >>> of BS.
> >>>
> >> I see that there are no answers to my questions.
> > They were stupid queestions. Come up with something serious. It was
> > obvious that you were simply making things up.
> >>
> Still no answers.
>
> >>> The vast majority of people simply write a check and mail in the fine,
> >>> maybe with some grumbling. Very few go to court. If you don't go to
> >>> talk and interact with a DA, there is not going to be any "plea deal".
> >>>
> >> Citation?
> > Good grief. Ask 10 people at your office. "Citation" as a response
> > to what should be common knowledge is just a rhetorical ploy used when
> > some usenet clown gets caught making things up.
> >
> What if there are less than 10 people in my office who have received
> traffic citations recently?
>
> >>>>> There's really no point in having a "discussion" with you if you
> >>>>> continually get all the facts wrong.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Which facts?
> >>> The ones you get wrong, which seems to be most of them. I gave
> >>> sveral examples above.
> >>>
> >> Where?
> > Read the goddamn post.
> >
> Citation that God has dammed the post?

How lame.

 

[Bill Z.]

Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:

> Bill Zaumen wrote:
> > Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> >> Bill Zaumen wrote:
> >>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
> >>>
> >>>> Ever drive in Chicago?
> >>> Why? I've never been there (aside from the airport, which is the
> >>> pits).
> >>>
> >> Drive in Chicagoland, and you will find out what aggressive drivers
> >> are like.
> > Given how factually challenged everything else you posted is, why
> > should I believe you?
> >
> Mr. Zaumen is confusing his opinions with facts.

Liar.




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[Bill Z.]

Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:

> Bill Zaumen wrote:
> > vey <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> >> Tom Sherman wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ever drive in Chicago?
> >
> >> People told me how awful it was to drive in Boston and Chitown.
> > Well, I have driven in Boston and ridden a bike there. Now, drivers
> > could be pretty eratic, but it was random - they weren't targeting
> > anyone in particular. But that was a while ago, and conditions may
> > have changed.
> > I can see why Tom Sherman had to try to change the subject,
> > though.
> >
> Ever drive in the 'hood?

Have you graduated from high school?

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[Jens Müller]

Mike Jacoubowsky schrieb:

> Besides, Europe is loaded with bike lanes and separate bike paths. I don't
> hear people clamoring to get rid of them.

Then you don't listen carefully.

 

[Dan Connelly]

Bill Z. wrote:

> Have you graduated from high school?
>


Bill, you truly have too much time on your hands.

 

[Andrew Price]

On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 19:31:10 -0800, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
<[email protected]> wrote:

[---]

>Besides, Europe is loaded with bike lanes and separate bike paths.

And they are highly criticised within the European cycling community
as being very dangerous, with ever more demands for their abolition.

>I don't
>hear people clamoring to get rid of them. Are they just too dumb over there
>to recognize the dangers? They're drinking the cyanide-laced Kool-Aid
>unwittingly?

Read the German cycling group <de.rec.fahrrad> for a few days - that
should set you straight.

 

[Bill Z.]

Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m> writes:

> Bill Z. wrote:
>
> > Have you graduated from high school?
>
> Bill, you truly have too much time on your hands.

Let's just say that I don't have much patience for someone who's
"contribution" to a discussion consists of statements like
"Ever drive in the 'hood?".


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[Jeremy]

In ba.bicycles Jens M?ller <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky schrieb:

> > Besides, Europe is loaded with bike lanes and separate bike paths. I don't
> > hear people clamoring to get rid of them.

> Then you don't listen carefully.

Me too (or three or four). The bike lanes in Amsterdam pose a variety of
problems from my perspective, although I would guess most users here fail
to notice or think they're better than the alternative.

 

[Jym Dyer]

> It sounds to me like you want to start an argument.

=v= I never thought I'd see the day when Bill Z was quoting
RicSilver. :^) You forgot to preserve the typos, though.
<_Jym_>

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[keithv]

On Feb 4, 9:57 pm, Jeremy <[email protected]> wrote:
> In ba.bicycles Jens M?ller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Mike Jacoubowsky schrieb:
> > > Besides, Europe is loaded with bike lanes and separate bike paths. I don't
> > > hear people clamoring to get rid of them.
> > Then you don't listen carefully.
>
> Me too (or three or four). The bike lanes in Amsterdam pose a variety of
> problems from my perspective, although I would guess most users here fail
> to notice or think they're better than the alternative.

Take a look at this bike path in Amsterdam:
http://www.klimb.org/Images/funny4.jpg

Keith

 

[Tom Sherman]

Bill Zaumen wrote:
> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Bill Zaumen wrote:
>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>> different matter than just wanting to intimidate them with mass.
>>> No, you really don't have a clue.
>>>
>> Get out of Silly Cone Valley and into the rest of the world. I see a
>> projection of an environment that is atypical of the whole onto the
>> whole being performed here.
>
> That's your most cluless comment to date. Come back when you have
> something substantive to say.
>
Sorry, but I observe what happens in the real world, rather than
believing things work according to some vehicle code. Spend some time in
the 'hood - it would be educational to say the least.

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia