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>Subject: Death By Medicine
>From: "Anth" [email protected]
>Date: 3/5/2004 11:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm Anth
EOM once again exposed!!
Thanks Anth and good luck with your cleanse, it is great you are doing this.
Jan
>From: "Anth" [email protected]
>Date: 3/5/2004 11:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm Anth
EOM once again exposed!!
Thanks Anth and good luck with your cleanse, it is great you are doing this.
Jan
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Peter Moran
Guest
"Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm Anth
>
>
Others have pointed out that such articles involve spurious extrapolations from usually twenty and
thirty year old figures which involve their own selectivity of data and other extrapolations.
Lazarou's figures have been torn apart many times. (This is not to deny that adverse events and
medical error are not real problems and that many of them are avoidable. )
What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be supporting nutritional supplements against
a perceived attack can find nothing positive to say about their medical usefulness? It is akin to
the tactics of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes volumes about the perceived
failings of conventional cancer treatment (aided by the openness with which that is conducted) and
nothing but "come hither" hints and teasers about its own true results.
Peter Moran
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm Anth
>
>
Others have pointed out that such articles involve spurious extrapolations from usually twenty and
thirty year old figures which involve their own selectivity of data and other extrapolations.
Lazarou's figures have been torn apart many times. (This is not to deny that adverse events and
medical error are not real problems and that many of them are avoidable. )
What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be supporting nutritional supplements against
a perceived attack can find nothing positive to say about their medical usefulness? It is akin to
the tactics of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes volumes about the perceived
failings of conventional cancer treatment (aided by the openness with which that is conducted) and
nothing but "come hither" hints and teasers about its own true results.
Peter Moran
J
Jan
Guest
>Subject: Re: Death By Medicine From: "Peter Moran" [email protected] Date: 3/5/2004 1:59 PM
>Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <4048f847$0$3764$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
>02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>
>
>
>"Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm Anth
>>
>>
>
>Others have pointed out that such articles involve spurious extrapolations
from usually twenty and thirty year old figures which involve their own
>selectivity of data and other extrapolations
Others as in the *gang*.
> Lazarou's figures have been torn apart many times.
YEAH, like Dr Burzynski was torn apart.
>
(This is not to deny that adverse events and medical error are not real problems and that many of
them are avoidable. )
As in, how many???????
>What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be supporting nutritional supplements
>against a perceived attack can find nothing positive to say about their medical usefulness?
Oh they can, just not in *this* article.
> It is akin to the tactics of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes volumes about the
> perceived failings of conventional cancer treatment (aided by the openness with which that is
> conducted) and nothing but "come hither" hints and teasers about its own true results.
WRONG.
How soon you forget!!!!!
>http://www.whale.to/cancer/burzynski.html
>
>DR BURZYNSKI, M.D.
>
>"What made Dr Burzynski a threat to the cancer industry from the beginning was the prospect that
>antineoplaston therapy represented a successful alternative to toxic and dangerous chemotherapy
>drugs, upon which most of the cancer industry’s profits depend. Did the NCI pick up the tab for
>completing his research? Did the ACS help with favourable publicity? Of course not. The minute NCI
>saw evidence of antineoplastons working they distorted the data by withdrawing the 2 successful
>patients and thus the evidence. NCI’s conduct towards him is a striking example of how an agency
>presumed to be objective can set up a study that will either prove or disprove anything it wants.
>In this case, there is clear evidence that NCI wanted to prove antineoplastons
didn’t
>work."—John Diamond, M.D. & Lee Cowden, M.D.
>
>
>
>"Without exception, all the oncologists I talked to about Dr Burzynski were scornful and hostile.
>Twenty- five years of practicing unconventional medicine did not prepare me for what I discovered.
>Delving into attitudes, actions, and beliefs of modern oncologists was like opening a box of cereal
>and finding it full of worms. They just don’t care….The question I kept asking was why, and the
>answer to that question gradually began to creep out: Dr Burzynski’s discovery threatens one of
>the largest and most lucrative industries in the history of mankind, the cancer treatment industry.
>
>All those radiation machines and doctors who run them
>
>All those chemotherapy drugs and the doctors who prescribe them
>
>All those so called studies that just juggle the doses of chemo & radiation, and
>
>All those surgeons who have been flailing at cancer for over a 100 years
>
>If it (antineoplastons) is allowed to flourish, it renders obsolete the entire cancer treatment
>industry. He has discovered a non-toxic treatment that is about as close to cure as we have ever
>seen. If you think the lumber jacks in the Pacific Northwest were scornful of the spotted owl, you
>haven’t seen anything yet….
>
>Also it is not just about money, it is about strongly held beliefs, beliefs that have meshed with
>the personality of virtually everyone in the cancer treatment industry, especially the physicians.
>In short, these beliefs are that cancer can only be treated with therapies that mutilate, poison,
>or burn the patient, in the hope that they "kill" the cancer…..Therefore, each patient who is
>miraculously cured by Burzynski’s nontoxic therapy is not viewed as a breakthrough, or even as
>something good, but rather as a dangerous messenger of heresy, a terrible threat to their
>beliefs."—Dr Whitaker, M.D.
>
>"Typical of Burzynski's extraordinary results were the outcomes for early groups of advanced cancer
>patients treated with antineoplastons: 60 percent enjoyed objective remission, 47 percent
>experienced complete remission, and 20 percent survived for over five years without cancer. These
>and other results are far superior to anything reported then or now for standard cancer treatments.
>(For example, in 1985 interleukin-2 was heavily promoted by orthodoxy, supposedly as a highly
>promising new treatment after a single study showed it to have been associated with a complete
>remission from cancer in only one patient out of twenty-four treated -- a positive response rate of
>only fourpercent!)."--Barry Chowka http://members.aol.com/pbchowka/cancer94.html
>
>Fly to Texas.
>
>Dr Burzynski Research Institute Home page http://catalog.com/bri/bri.htm http://[email protected]/
>
>Burzynski Patient Group Directory http://www.burzynskipatientgroup.org/stories.htm
>
>Ralph Moss on Burzynski saga http://www.ralphmoss.com/burz.html
>
>Testimony of Raphaele Moreau-Horwin & Michael Horwin
>
>Choices in Healing by Michael Lerner http://www.commonwealhealth.org/choicescontents.html
>
>Happy Brain Cancer Statistics
>
>Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski took the FDA to court for slander. The FDA was telling oncologists that he
> and his cancer medicine were frauds, but Dr. Burzynski won the case and the FDA was issued a
> cease and desist order.
>
>To prove his case, Dr. Burzynski asked a respected oncologist specializing in brain cancer, Dr.
>Robert Burdick, to review his patient records and act as an expert witness. The full text of the
>statement is reproduced on the Burzynski Research Institute's site:
>
> http://www.cancermed.com
>
>If the text of the statement was not true, Dr. Burzynski would loose his medical license
>and clinic.
>
>In the statement, Dr. Robert Burdick stated that primary brain cancer goes into remission 1 in 500+
>times, regardless of treatment, but that he documented 17 cases of remission in 40 total cases of
>primary brain cancer enrolled in one of Dr. Burzynski's phase I trials. He stated with authority
>that the antineoplaston medicine must be responsible.
>
>Dr. Burzynski beat the primary brain cancer odds by more than 21250% Let the skeptics argue with
> that!
>
>The FDA hauled Dr. Burzyski before 4 grand juries, none of which found him guilty of anything. When
>they announced a fifth grand jury trial, angry voices were raised in congress and the FDA quickly
>dropped its charges.
>
>The FDA tried its best to jail Dr. Burzynski without any proof of wrong doing, and if they had
>succeeded the medicine that he and his large staff of doctors are testing would have been
>effectively suppressed. As it is, justice prevailed and 72 phase II trials are currently in
>progress.
>
>The amazing results of his medicin are not limited to primary brain cancer. They include all the
>major cancers, and are far better for the major cancers. The medicine is non-toxic.
>
>Too bad the oncologists and skeptics here will get mad at me for pointing this out. Too bad that,
>like the FDA, they don't want you to know about it.
>
>Jan
>Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <4048f847$0$3764$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
>02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>
>
>
>"Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm Anth
>>
>>
>
>Others have pointed out that such articles involve spurious extrapolations
from usually twenty and thirty year old figures which involve their own
>selectivity of data and other extrapolations
Others as in the *gang*.
> Lazarou's figures have been torn apart many times.
YEAH, like Dr Burzynski was torn apart.
>
(This is not to deny that adverse events and medical error are not real problems and that many of
them are avoidable. )
As in, how many???????
>What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be supporting nutritional supplements
>against a perceived attack can find nothing positive to say about their medical usefulness?
Oh they can, just not in *this* article.
> It is akin to the tactics of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes volumes about the
> perceived failings of conventional cancer treatment (aided by the openness with which that is
> conducted) and nothing but "come hither" hints and teasers about its own true results.
WRONG.
How soon you forget!!!!!
>http://www.whale.to/cancer/burzynski.html
>
>DR BURZYNSKI, M.D.
>
>"What made Dr Burzynski a threat to the cancer industry from the beginning was the prospect that
>antineoplaston therapy represented a successful alternative to toxic and dangerous chemotherapy
>drugs, upon which most of the cancer industry’s profits depend. Did the NCI pick up the tab for
>completing his research? Did the ACS help with favourable publicity? Of course not. The minute NCI
>saw evidence of antineoplastons working they distorted the data by withdrawing the 2 successful
>patients and thus the evidence. NCI’s conduct towards him is a striking example of how an agency
>presumed to be objective can set up a study that will either prove or disprove anything it wants.
>In this case, there is clear evidence that NCI wanted to prove antineoplastons
didn’t
>work."—John Diamond, M.D. & Lee Cowden, M.D.
>
>
>
>"Without exception, all the oncologists I talked to about Dr Burzynski were scornful and hostile.
>Twenty- five years of practicing unconventional medicine did not prepare me for what I discovered.
>Delving into attitudes, actions, and beliefs of modern oncologists was like opening a box of cereal
>and finding it full of worms. They just don’t care….The question I kept asking was why, and the
>answer to that question gradually began to creep out: Dr Burzynski’s discovery threatens one of
>the largest and most lucrative industries in the history of mankind, the cancer treatment industry.
>
>All those radiation machines and doctors who run them
>
>All those chemotherapy drugs and the doctors who prescribe them
>
>All those so called studies that just juggle the doses of chemo & radiation, and
>
>All those surgeons who have been flailing at cancer for over a 100 years
>
>If it (antineoplastons) is allowed to flourish, it renders obsolete the entire cancer treatment
>industry. He has discovered a non-toxic treatment that is about as close to cure as we have ever
>seen. If you think the lumber jacks in the Pacific Northwest were scornful of the spotted owl, you
>haven’t seen anything yet….
>
>Also it is not just about money, it is about strongly held beliefs, beliefs that have meshed with
>the personality of virtually everyone in the cancer treatment industry, especially the physicians.
>In short, these beliefs are that cancer can only be treated with therapies that mutilate, poison,
>or burn the patient, in the hope that they "kill" the cancer…..Therefore, each patient who is
>miraculously cured by Burzynski’s nontoxic therapy is not viewed as a breakthrough, or even as
>something good, but rather as a dangerous messenger of heresy, a terrible threat to their
>beliefs."—Dr Whitaker, M.D.
>
>"Typical of Burzynski's extraordinary results were the outcomes for early groups of advanced cancer
>patients treated with antineoplastons: 60 percent enjoyed objective remission, 47 percent
>experienced complete remission, and 20 percent survived for over five years without cancer. These
>and other results are far superior to anything reported then or now for standard cancer treatments.
>(For example, in 1985 interleukin-2 was heavily promoted by orthodoxy, supposedly as a highly
>promising new treatment after a single study showed it to have been associated with a complete
>remission from cancer in only one patient out of twenty-four treated -- a positive response rate of
>only fourpercent!)."--Barry Chowka http://members.aol.com/pbchowka/cancer94.html
>
>Fly to Texas.
>
>Dr Burzynski Research Institute Home page http://catalog.com/bri/bri.htm http://[email protected]/
>
>Burzynski Patient Group Directory http://www.burzynskipatientgroup.org/stories.htm
>
>Ralph Moss on Burzynski saga http://www.ralphmoss.com/burz.html
>
>Testimony of Raphaele Moreau-Horwin & Michael Horwin
>
>Choices in Healing by Michael Lerner http://www.commonwealhealth.org/choicescontents.html
>
>Happy Brain Cancer Statistics
>
>Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski took the FDA to court for slander. The FDA was telling oncologists that he
> and his cancer medicine were frauds, but Dr. Burzynski won the case and the FDA was issued a
> cease and desist order.
>
>To prove his case, Dr. Burzynski asked a respected oncologist specializing in brain cancer, Dr.
>Robert Burdick, to review his patient records and act as an expert witness. The full text of the
>statement is reproduced on the Burzynski Research Institute's site:
>
> http://www.cancermed.com
>
>If the text of the statement was not true, Dr. Burzynski would loose his medical license
>and clinic.
>
>In the statement, Dr. Robert Burdick stated that primary brain cancer goes into remission 1 in 500+
>times, regardless of treatment, but that he documented 17 cases of remission in 40 total cases of
>primary brain cancer enrolled in one of Dr. Burzynski's phase I trials. He stated with authority
>that the antineoplaston medicine must be responsible.
>
>Dr. Burzynski beat the primary brain cancer odds by more than 21250% Let the skeptics argue with
> that!
>
>The FDA hauled Dr. Burzyski before 4 grand juries, none of which found him guilty of anything. When
>they announced a fifth grand jury trial, angry voices were raised in congress and the FDA quickly
>dropped its charges.
>
>The FDA tried its best to jail Dr. Burzynski without any proof of wrong doing, and if they had
>succeeded the medicine that he and his large staff of doctors are testing would have been
>effectively suppressed. As it is, justice prevailed and 72 phase II trials are currently in
>progress.
>
>The amazing results of his medicin are not limited to primary brain cancer. They include all the
>major cancers, and are far better for the major cancers. The medicine is non-toxic.
>
>Too bad the oncologists and skeptics here will get mad at me for pointing this out. Too bad that,
>like the FDA, they don't want you to know about it.
>
>Jan
A
Anth
Guest
The cleanse if off for a few days - until I drink enough apple juice, just so I don't get no flack
from people who said I didn't do this or that etc. Anth
"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >Subject: Death By Medicine From: "Anth" [email protected] Date: 3/5/2004 11:14 AM Pacific
> >Standard Time Message-id: <[email protected]>
> >
> >http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm Anth
>
> EOM once again exposed!!
>
> Thanks Anth and good luck with your cleanse, it is great you are doing
this.
>
> Jan
from people who said I didn't do this or that etc. Anth
"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >Subject: Death By Medicine From: "Anth" [email protected] Date: 3/5/2004 11:14 AM Pacific
> >Standard Time Message-id: <[email protected]>
> >
> >http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm Anth
>
> EOM once again exposed!!
>
> Thanks Anth and good luck with your cleanse, it is great you are doing
this.
>
> Jan
A
Anth
Guest
(LEF is a fairly credible source) Anth
"Peter Moran" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:4048f847$0$3764$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
>
> "Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm Anth
> >
> >
>
> Others have pointed out that such articles involve spurious extrapolations from usually twenty and
> thirty year old figures which involve their own selectivity of data and other extrapolations.
> Lazarou's figures have
been
> torn apart many times. (This is not to deny that adverse events and medical error are not real
> problems and that many of them are avoidable. )
>
> What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be supporting nutritional supplements
> against a perceived attack can find nothing positive to say about their medical usefulness? It is
> akin to the
tactics
> of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes volumes about the perceived failings of
> conventional cancer treatment (aided by the openness with which that is conducted) and nothing but
> "come hither" hints and teasers about its own true results.
>
> Peter Moran
"Peter Moran" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:4048f847$0$3764$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
>
> "Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm Anth
> >
> >
>
> Others have pointed out that such articles involve spurious extrapolations from usually twenty and
> thirty year old figures which involve their own selectivity of data and other extrapolations.
> Lazarou's figures have
been
> torn apart many times. (This is not to deny that adverse events and medical error are not real
> problems and that many of them are avoidable. )
>
> What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be supporting nutritional supplements
> against a perceived attack can find nothing positive to say about their medical usefulness? It is
> akin to the
tactics
> of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes volumes about the perceived failings of
> conventional cancer treatment (aided by the openness with which that is conducted) and nothing but
> "come hither" hints and teasers about its own true results.
>
> Peter Moran
P
Peter Moran
Guest
"Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> (LEF is a fairly credible source) Anth
(Gary Null isn't.)
Peter Moran
news:[email protected]...
> (LEF is a fairly credible source) Anth
(Gary Null isn't.)
Peter Moran
I
Ilsa9.10
Guest
>>Subject: Death By Medicine
>>From: "Anth" [email protected]
>>Date: 3/5/2004 11:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>>
>>http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm Anth
>
>EOM once again exposed!!
>
>Thanks Anth and good luck with your cleanse, it is great you are doing this.
>
>Jan
>
Add a little Da Huang, Rhubarb root, and you'll have a blast!
>>From: "Anth" [email protected]
>>Date: 3/5/2004 11:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>>
>>http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm Anth
>
>EOM once again exposed!!
>
>Thanks Anth and good luck with your cleanse, it is great you are doing this.
>
>Jan
>
Add a little Da Huang, Rhubarb root, and you'll have a blast!
B
Bew
Guest
"Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm Anth
Thanks for the link , I have sent it out to all my friends . This sort of stuff
needs to be posted regularly.
thanks Bew
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm Anth
Thanks for the link , I have sent it out to all my friends . This sort of stuff
needs to be posted regularly.
thanks Bew
A
Anth
Guest
Why is Gary Null not credible? I seem to recall that he travels a lot and keeps
records about which treatments seem to work or not? He is even responsible for
debunking a lot of treatments which show no effect. Anth
"Peter Moran" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:40491755$0$3766$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
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>
> "Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > (LEF is a fairly credible source) Anth
>
> (Gary Null isn't.)
>
> Peter Moran
records about which treatments seem to work or not? He is even responsible for
debunking a lot of treatments which show no effect. Anth
"Peter Moran" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:40491755$0$3766$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
>
> "Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > (LEF is a fairly credible source) Anth
>
> (Gary Null isn't.)
>
> Peter Moran
A
Anth
Guest
Where does mainstream say anything positive about
alternative treatments? In fact, at the moment the pharma
companies are in the process of a disinformation war
against supplements. Sooner or later the truth is going to
come out. Anth
"Peter Moran" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:4048f847$0$3764$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
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>
> "Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_-
> > 02.htm Anth
> >
> >
>
> Others have pointed out that such articles involve
> spurious extrapolations from usually twenty and thirty
> year old figures which involve their own selectivity of
> data and other extrapolations. Lazarou's figures have
been
> torn apart many times. (This is not to deny that adverse
> events and medical error are not real problems and that
> many of them are avoidable. )
>
> What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be
> supporting nutritional supplements against a perceived
> attack can find nothing positive to say about their
> medical usefulness? It is akin to the
tactics
> of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes
> volumes about the perceived failings of conventional
> cancer treatment (aided by the openness with which that is
> conducted) and nothing but "come hither" hints and teasers
> about its own true results.
>
> Peter Moran
alternative treatments? In fact, at the moment the pharma
companies are in the process of a disinformation war
against supplements. Sooner or later the truth is going to
come out. Anth
"Peter Moran" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:4048f847$0$3764$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
>
> "Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_-
> > 02.htm Anth
> >
> >
>
> Others have pointed out that such articles involve
> spurious extrapolations from usually twenty and thirty
> year old figures which involve their own selectivity of
> data and other extrapolations. Lazarou's figures have
been
> torn apart many times. (This is not to deny that adverse
> events and medical error are not real problems and that
> many of them are avoidable. )
>
> What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be
> supporting nutritional supplements against a perceived
> attack can find nothing positive to say about their
> medical usefulness? It is akin to the
tactics
> of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes
> volumes about the perceived failings of conventional
> cancer treatment (aided by the openness with which that is
> conducted) and nothing but "come hither" hints and teasers
> about its own true results.
>
> Peter Moran
R
Rich Shewmaker
Guest
"Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Where does mainstream say anything positive about
> alternative treatments? In fact, at the moment the pharma
> companies are in the process of a disinformation war
> against supplements.
That's strange, considering that the pharma companies
manufacture most of the "supplelments".
> Sooner or later the truth is going to come out. Anth
>
It's out.
--Rich
news:[email protected]...
> Where does mainstream say anything positive about
> alternative treatments? In fact, at the moment the pharma
> companies are in the process of a disinformation war
> against supplements.
That's strange, considering that the pharma companies
manufacture most of the "supplelments".
> Sooner or later the truth is going to come out. Anth
>
It's out.
--Rich
A
Anth
Guest
That is untrue - there's herbs and other supplements. Anth
"Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:gt2dnbosTLsmmtfdRVn-
[email protected]...
>
> "Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Where does mainstream say anything positive about
> > alternative
treatments?
> > In fact, at the moment the pharma companies are in the
> > process of a disinformation war against supplements.
>
> That's strange, considering that the pharma companies
> manufacture most of the "supplelments".
>
>
>
> > Sooner or later the truth is going to come out. Anth
> >
>
> It's out.
>
> --Rich
>
"Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:gt2dnbosTLsmmtfdRVn-
[email protected]...
>
> "Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Where does mainstream say anything positive about
> > alternative
treatments?
> > In fact, at the moment the pharma companies are in the
> > process of a disinformation war against supplements.
>
> That's strange, considering that the pharma companies
> manufacture most of the "supplelments".
>
>
>
> > Sooner or later the truth is going to come out. Anth
> >
>
> It's out.
>
> --Rich
>
A
Anth
Guest
..and also stranger how they conspired to increase prices
when they discovered via Dr Rath that ascorbate has serious
implications for treating heart disease - all that research
money and useless drugs gone to waste. Your argument is
flawed, and you are also stupid considering the facts that
these guys are not batting for your side. When (and if) you
come down with heart disease you will have their 'drugs' -
good luck with them - I will have my ascorbate. Anth
"Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:gt2dnbosTLsmmtfdRVn-
[email protected]...
>
> "Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Where does mainstream say anything positive about
> > alternative
treatments?
> > In fact, at the moment the pharma companies are in the
> > process of a disinformation war against supplements.
>
> That's strange, considering that the pharma companies
> manufacture most of the "supplelments".
>
>
>
> > Sooner or later the truth is going to come out. Anth
> >
>
> It's out.
>
> --Rich
>
when they discovered via Dr Rath that ascorbate has serious
implications for treating heart disease - all that research
money and useless drugs gone to waste. Your argument is
flawed, and you are also stupid considering the facts that
these guys are not batting for your side. When (and if) you
come down with heart disease you will have their 'drugs' -
good luck with them - I will have my ascorbate. Anth
"Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:gt2dnbosTLsmmtfdRVn-
[email protected]...
>
> "Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Where does mainstream say anything positive about
> > alternative
treatments?
> > In fact, at the moment the pharma companies are in the
> > process of a disinformation war against supplements.
>
> That's strange, considering that the pharma companies
> manufacture most of the "supplelments".
>
>
>
> > Sooner or later the truth is going to come out. Anth
> >
>
> It's out.
>
> --Rich
>
D
David Wright
Guest
In article <[email protected]>,
Anth <[email protected]> wrote:
>Where does mainstream say anything positive about
>alternative treatments? In fact, at the moment the pharma
>companies are in the process of a disinformation war
>against supplements. Sooner or later the truth is going to
>come out.
Anth is starting to remind me of that "Lazarus" character
in one of the early Star Trek episodes, who was rational
part of the time and irrational part of the time. (Turned
out it was two different people, which I suppose could be
the case here.)
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
>"Peter Moran" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:4048f847$0$3764$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
>02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
>>
>> "Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death-
>> > _02.htm Anth
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Others have pointed out that such articles involve
>> spurious extrapolations from usually twenty and thirty
>> year old figures which involve their own selectivity of
>> data and other extrapolations. Lazarou's figures have
>been
>> torn apart many times. (This is not to deny that adverse
>> events and medical error are not real problems and that
>> many of them are avoidable. )
>>
>> What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be
>> supporting nutritional supplements against a perceived
>> attack can find nothing positive to say about their
>> medical usefulness? It is akin to the
>tactics
>> of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes
>> volumes about the perceived failings of conventional
>> cancer treatment (aided by the openness with which that
>> is conducted) and nothing but "come hither" hints and
>> teasers about its own true results.
>>
>> Peter Moran
>>
>
Anth <[email protected]> wrote:
>Where does mainstream say anything positive about
>alternative treatments? In fact, at the moment the pharma
>companies are in the process of a disinformation war
>against supplements. Sooner or later the truth is going to
>come out.
Anth is starting to remind me of that "Lazarus" character
in one of the early Star Trek episodes, who was rational
part of the time and irrational part of the time. (Turned
out it was two different people, which I suppose could be
the case here.)
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
>"Peter Moran" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:4048f847$0$3764$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
>02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
>>
>> "Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death-
>> > _02.htm Anth
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Others have pointed out that such articles involve
>> spurious extrapolations from usually twenty and thirty
>> year old figures which involve their own selectivity of
>> data and other extrapolations. Lazarou's figures have
>been
>> torn apart many times. (This is not to deny that adverse
>> events and medical error are not real problems and that
>> many of them are avoidable. )
>>
>> What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be
>> supporting nutritional supplements against a perceived
>> attack can find nothing positive to say about their
>> medical usefulness? It is akin to the
>tactics
>> of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes
>> volumes about the perceived failings of conventional
>> cancer treatment (aided by the openness with which that
>> is conducted) and nothing but "come hither" hints and
>> teasers about its own true results.
>>
>> Peter Moran
>>
>
D
David Wright
Guest
In article <[email protected]>,
Anth <[email protected]> wrote:
>Why is Gary Null not credible? I seem to recall that he
>travels a lot and keeps records about which treatments seem
>to work or not? He is even responsible for debunking a lot
>of treatments which show no effect.
Name two. I've seen Null pushing all kinds of worthless
"alternative" therapies, but I don't recall ever seeing him
debunk one.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
>"Peter Moran" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:40491755$0$3766$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
>02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
>>
>> "Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > (LEF is a fairly credible source) Anth
>>
>> (Gary Null isn't.)
>>
>> Peter Moran
>>
>
Anth <[email protected]> wrote:
>Why is Gary Null not credible? I seem to recall that he
>travels a lot and keeps records about which treatments seem
>to work or not? He is even responsible for debunking a lot
>of treatments which show no effect.
Name two. I've seen Null pushing all kinds of worthless
"alternative" therapies, but I don't recall ever seeing him
debunk one.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
>"Peter Moran" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:40491755$0$3766$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
>02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
>>
>> "Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > (LEF is a fairly credible source) Anth
>>
>> (Gary Null isn't.)
>>
>> Peter Moran
>>
>
A
Anth
Guest
David wants everyone to be a mirror of himself, which is
indicative of the ego trip that he runs on. I've seen people
like you come and go and boy did they go. Anth
"David Wright" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Anth <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Where does mainstream say anything positive about
> >alternative treatments? In fact, at the moment the pharma
> >companies are in the process of a disinformation war
> >against supplements. Sooner or later the truth is going
> >to come out.
>
> Anth is starting to remind me of that "Lazarus" character
> in one of the early Star Trek episodes, who was rational
> part of the time and irrational part of the time. (Turned
> out it was two different people, which I suppose could be
> the case here.)
>
> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
> opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
> have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
> were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
indicative of the ego trip that he runs on. I've seen people
like you come and go and boy did they go. Anth
"David Wright" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Anth <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Where does mainstream say anything positive about
> >alternative treatments? In fact, at the moment the pharma
> >companies are in the process of a disinformation war
> >against supplements. Sooner or later the truth is going
> >to come out.
>
> Anth is starting to remind me of that "Lazarus" character
> in one of the early Star Trek episodes, who was rational
> part of the time and irrational part of the time. (Turned
> out it was two different people, which I suppose could be
> the case here.)
>
> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
> opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
> have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
> were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
D
David Wright
Guest
In article <[email protected]>,
Anth <[email protected]> wrote:
>David wants everyone to be a mirror of himself, which is
>indicative of the ego trip that he runs on. I've seen
>people like you come and go and boy did they go.
In your vast, what, few months of experience here? I'm so
impressed. I was here long before you arrived and I'll be
here long after you're gone, top-poster.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
>"David Wright" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article
>> <[email protected]>, Anth
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >Where does mainstream say anything positive about
>> >alternative treatments? In fact, at the moment the
>> >pharma companies are in the process of a disinformation
>> >war against supplements. Sooner or later the truth is
>> >going to come out.
>>
>> Anth is starting to remind me of that "Lazarus" character
>> in one of the early Star Trek episodes, who was rational
>> part of the time and irrational part of the time. (Turned
>> out it was two different people, which I suppose could be
>> the case here.)
Anth <[email protected]> wrote:
>David wants everyone to be a mirror of himself, which is
>indicative of the ego trip that he runs on. I've seen
>people like you come and go and boy did they go.
In your vast, what, few months of experience here? I'm so
impressed. I was here long before you arrived and I'll be
here long after you're gone, top-poster.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
>"David Wright" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article
>> <[email protected]>, Anth
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >Where does mainstream say anything positive about
>> >alternative treatments? In fact, at the moment the
>> >pharma companies are in the process of a disinformation
>> >war against supplements. Sooner or later the truth is
>> >going to come out.
>>
>> Anth is starting to remind me of that "Lazarus" character
>> in one of the early Star Trek episodes, who was rational
>> part of the time and irrational part of the time. (Turned
>> out it was two different people, which I suppose could be
>> the case here.)
A
Anth
Guest
My father is bigger than your father etc. Anth
"David Wright" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Anth <[email protected]> wrote:
> >David wants everyone to be a mirror of himself, which is
> >indicative of
the
> >ego trip that he runs on. I've seen people like you come
> >and go and boy did they go.
>
> In your vast, what, few months of experience here? I'm so
> impressed. I was here long before you arrived and I'll be
> here long after you're gone, top-poster.
>
> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
> opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
> have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
> were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
>
>
> >"David Wright" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> In article
> >> <[email protected]>, Anth
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >Where does mainstream say anything positive about
> >> >alternative
treatments?
> >> >In fact, at the moment the pharma companies are in the
> >> >process of a disinformation war against supplements.
> >> >Sooner or later the truth is going to come out.
> >>
> >> Anth is starting to remind me of that "Lazarus"
> >> character in one of the early Star Trek episodes, who
> >> was rational part of the time and irrational part of
> >> the time. (Turned out it was two different people,
> >> which I suppose could be the case here.)
"David Wright" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Anth <[email protected]> wrote:
> >David wants everyone to be a mirror of himself, which is
> >indicative of
the
> >ego trip that he runs on. I've seen people like you come
> >and go and boy did they go.
>
> In your vast, what, few months of experience here? I'm so
> impressed. I was here long before you arrived and I'll be
> here long after you're gone, top-poster.
>
> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
> opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
> have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
> were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
>
>
> >"David Wright" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> In article
> >> <[email protected]>, Anth
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >Where does mainstream say anything positive about
> >> >alternative
treatments?
> >> >In fact, at the moment the pharma companies are in the
> >> >process of a disinformation war against supplements.
> >> >Sooner or later the truth is going to come out.
> >>
> >> Anth is starting to remind me of that "Lazarus"
> >> character in one of the early Star Trek episodes, who
> >> was rational part of the time and irrational part of
> >> the time. (Turned out it was two different people,
> >> which I suppose could be the case here.)
G
Gymmy Bob
Guest
My father could lick your mother with both her hands tied
behind her back!
"Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My father is bigger than your father etc. Anth
>
> "David Wright" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article
> > <[email protected]>, Anth
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >David wants everyone to be a mirror of himself, which
> > >is indicative of
> the
> > >ego trip that he runs on. I've seen people like you
> > >come and go and boy did they go.
> >
> > In your vast, what, few months of experience here? I'm
> > so impressed. I was here long before you arrived and
> > I'll be here long after you're gone, top-poster.
> >
> > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are
> > my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
> > "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because
> > giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson,
> > MIT)
> >
> >
> > >"David Wright" <[email protected]> wrote in
> > >message news:[email protected]
> > >gy.com...
> > >> In article
> > >> <[email protected]>, Anth
> > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> >Where does mainstream say anything positive about
> > >> >alternative
> treatments?
> > >> >In fact, at the moment the pharma companies are in
> > >> >the process of a disinformation war against
> > >> >supplements. Sooner or later the truth is going to
> > >> >come out.
> > >>
> > >> Anth is starting to remind me of that "Lazarus"
> > >> character in one of the early Star Trek episodes, who
> > >> was rational part of the time and irrational part of
> > >> the time. (Turned out it was two different
people,
> > >> which I suppose could be the case here.)
behind her back!
"Anth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My father is bigger than your father etc. Anth
>
> "David Wright" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article
> > <[email protected]>, Anth
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >David wants everyone to be a mirror of himself, which
> > >is indicative of
> the
> > >ego trip that he runs on. I've seen people like you
> > >come and go and boy did they go.
> >
> > In your vast, what, few months of experience here? I'm
> > so impressed. I was here long before you arrived and
> > I'll be here long after you're gone, top-poster.
> >
> > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are
> > my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
> > "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because
> > giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson,
> > MIT)
> >
> >
> > >"David Wright" <[email protected]> wrote in
> > >message news:[email protected]
> > >gy.com...
> > >> In article
> > >> <[email protected]>, Anth
> > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> >Where does mainstream say anything positive about
> > >> >alternative
> treatments?
> > >> >In fact, at the moment the pharma companies are in
> > >> >the process of a disinformation war against
> > >> >supplements. Sooner or later the truth is going to
> > >> >come out.
> > >>
> > >> Anth is starting to remind me of that "Lazarus"
> > >> character in one of the early Star Trek episodes, who
> > >> was rational part of the time and irrational part of
> > >> the time. (Turned out it was two different
people,
> > >> which I suppose could be the case here.)