Decanio Sounding Coherent

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Jim Flom said:

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Most of society is doping themselves,
be it with nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, marijuana, or other mood
altering substances.

And we all know that what is, is right.

But wait -- not so fast, Schnurgan.
The NSDUH survey in 2002 reported that 4.3% of the
U.S. population ages 12 and over had ever used ecstasy,
1.3% had used in the past year, and 0.3% had used in
the past month.

Patterns of Club Drug Use in the U.S., 2004

http://www.utexas.edu/research/cswr/gcattc/Trends/ClubDrug-2004-web.pdf

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Check out the table on page 7 and quit talking smack. And don't tell

me

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Dumbass, you forgot coffee.

One small voice taking a stand? I guess M. L. King was a fanatic

too. The

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only loser is the one who stands by and does nothing when evil is in

your

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face.

Dumbass -

WTF are you talking about? I was referencing *all* drugs, not club
drugs.

BTW, Martin Luther King was trying to change culture in general, not a
subset of culture (example: bike racing).

A subset of culture cannot have substantially different values from the
culture in which it resides.

Then how do you explain the looks I used to get when me and my buds
used to waddle into redneck bars with our shaved legs and cleated shoes
after a ride?

Steve

Hence the delusion of DeCanio, Lafferty

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and yourself.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

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Then how do you explain the looks I used to get when me and my buds used
to waddle into redneck bars with our shaved legs and cleated shoes after a
ride?

'nuff said.

JF

Mark Fennell said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

A subset of culture which draws its participants from a somewhat
diverse cross-section of the public...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
WTF? You make sense usually, but the statement above in reference to

bike

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racing is ridiculous IMHO. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a

sport

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with a more boringly homogenous slice of the public.

Dumbass -

Ya, but it's not likely that with fans of bike racing you'll get any
sort of consensus on general drug use in everyday life.

I was speaking more of a subset of culture that is united by their
ethic/moral outlook, like a religious group. The bike racing community
doesn't fit that mold: that's why you have crusaders like DeCanio and
the drug users all in the same subset.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

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Kurgan Gringioni said:

A subset of culture cannot have substantially different values from

the

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culture in which it resides.

Let me rephrase that:

A subset of culture which draws its participants from a somewhat
diverse cross-section of the public cannot have substantially different
values from the culture in which it resides.

The American Communist Party

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Then how do you explain the looks I used to get when me and my buds

used to waddle into redneck bars with our shaved legs and cleated shoes
after a ride?

Steve

It take a real man to wear Lycra.

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Then how do you explain the looks I used to get when me and my buds

used to waddle into redneck bars with our shaved legs and cleated shoes
after a ride?

Steve

It take a real man to wear Lycra.

I guess I must be a girlie man.

Steve

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Brooklyn, NY
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Then how do you explain the looks I used to get when me and my buds

used to waddle into redneck bars with our shaved legs and cleated shoes
after a ride?

Steve

It take a real man to wear Lycra.

I thought real men wear wool

matabala said:

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Kurgan Gringioni said:

A subset of culture cannot have substantially different values

from

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the

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culture in which it resides.

Let me rephrase that:

A subset of culture which draws its participants from a somewhat
diverse cross-section of the public cannot have substantially

different

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values from the culture in which it resides.

The American Communist Party

Dumbass -

See my reply to Fennell.

Steven Bornfeld said:

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Dumbass -

WTF are you talking about? I was referencing *all* drugs, not club
drugs.

BTW, Martin Luther King was trying to change culture in general,

not a

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subset of culture (example: bike racing).

A subset of culture cannot have substantially different values from

the

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culture in which it resides.

Then how do you explain the looks I used to get when me and my buds
used to waddle into redneck bars with our shaved legs and cleated

shoes

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after a ride?

Dumbass -

Bike racers are not united on opinion. Lycra-wearing, perhaps.

There are bike racers who are vehemently opposed to doping. There are
also Masters Fatties who take amphetamines before group training rides.
thanks,

K. Gringioni.

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:43:25 -0600, "Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]>

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> Then how do you explain the looks I used to get when me and my buds
used to waddle into redneck bars with our shaved legs and cleated shoes
after a ride?

Steve

It take a real man to wear Lycra.

I thought real men wear wool

Steel wool. On leather seats with rivets. Or civets. I can't remember
which.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

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> Then how do you explain the looks I used to get when me and my buds
used to waddle into redneck bars with our shaved legs and cleated shoes
after a ride?

Steve

It take a real man to wear Lycra.

I thought real men wear wool

Sometimes, if they're of a certain age.

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>>Then how do you explain the looks I used to get when me and my buds
>
>used to waddle into redneck bars with our shaved legs and cleated shoes
>after a ride?
>
>Steve

It take a real man to wear Lycra.

I thought real men wear wool

Sometimes, if they're of a certain age.

That's cold.

Steve

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
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Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

B Lafferty said:

FWIW, here's the letter I sent to Biseglia with a copy to [censored] Pound at
WADA:

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Dear Mr. Bisceglia:

[ snip]

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Sincerely,

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Brian Lafferty, Esq.

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USAC Licence #0091977

Well. He'll certainly sit up and take notice upon hearing from *you*.
I mean, I'll bet he knows who you are.

Bob Schwartz
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B Lafferty said:

FWIW, here's the letter I sent to Biseglia with a copy to [censored] Pound at
WADA:

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Dear Mr. Bisceglia:

[ snip]

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Sincerely,

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Brian Lafferty, Esq.

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USAC Licence #0091977

Well. He'll certainly sit up and take notice upon hearing from *you*.
I mean, I'll bet he knows who you are.

Bob Schwartz
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I think he has a fiduciary duty to the membership to investigate alleged
incidents of doping within his jurisdiction when given formal notice by a
member--*me*

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Lafferty said:

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B Lafferty said:

FWIW, here's the letter I sent to Biseglia with a copy to [censored] Pound at
WADA:

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Dear Mr. Bisceglia:

[ snip]

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Sincerely,

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Brian Lafferty, Esq.

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USAC Licence #0091977

Well. He'll certainly sit up and take notice upon hearing from *you*.
I mean, I'll bet he knows who you are.

Bob Schwartz
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I think he has a fiduciary duty to the membership to investigate alleged
incidents of doping within his jurisdiction when given formal notice by a
member--*me*

I'm no fan of doping or dopers but damn isn't this a little bit like
the Salem witch trials? One person, with no evidence, cries witch/doper
and we are suppose to start gathering the wood and the stake? I would
hope before time and money are spent on an investigation there is
something more than just the word of a single person as evidence.

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Lafferty said:

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B Lafferty <[email hidden]> wrote:

> FWIW, here's the letter I sent to Biseglia with a copy to [censored] Pound
> at
> WADA:

> Dear Mr. Bisceglia:

[ snip]

> Sincerely,

> Brian Lafferty, Esq.

> USAC Licence #0091977

Well. He'll certainly sit up and take notice upon hearing from *you*.
I mean, I'll bet he knows who you are.

Bob Schwartz
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I think he has a fiduciary duty to the membership to investigate alleged
incidents of doping within his jurisdiction when given formal notice by a
member--*me*

I'm no fan of doping or dopers but damn isn't this a little bit like
the Salem witch trials?

No. There were no witches. There are dopers.

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One person, with no evidence, cries witch/doper
and we are suppose to start gathering the wood and the stake?

He claims to have evidence in the form of specific doping that he witnessed
and assisted in and/or was told about by other riders on specific teams
(eg.Dave Clinger of Postal). It won't take much time or money to sit down
with him, question him in detail, type up a transcript and ask him to attest
to its truthfulness with an attestation clause. I would think that Gerrard
might be interested in the Postal allegations because of Dr. Prentis
Steffen's ESPN on-air statements about his experience with Postal and
doping.

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I would
hope before time and money are spent on an investigation there is
something more than just the word of a single person as evidence.

Investigations very often start with one person coming
forward--whistleblowers. There are even statutes to protect them from
retribution under certain circumstances. Given the allegations, first and
second hand, it behooves Gerard to do his job and start an investigation.

It's not a witch hunt even though it may appear to be to those who have
crossed over to the Dark Side.

B Lafferty said:

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B Lafferty said:

FWIW, here's the letter I sent to Biseglia with a copy to [censored] Pound at
WADA:

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Dear Mr. Bisceglia:

[ snip]

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Sincerely,

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Brian Lafferty, Esq.

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USAC Licence #0091977

Well. He'll certainly sit up and take notice upon hearing from *you*.
I mean, I'll bet he knows who you are.

Bob Schwartz
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I think he has a fiduciary duty to the membership to investigate alleged
incidents of doping within his jurisdiction when given formal notice by a
member--*me*

You didn't write the letter in crayon, did you? Does your wife ever
leave anything sharp just lying around the house?

Most people ignore stuff from nutbags.

Bob Schwartz
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You didn't write the letter in crayon, did you?

No.

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Does your wife ever
leave anything sharp just lying around the house?

All the time.

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Most people ignore stuff from nutbags.

Often times, but sometimes at their peril.

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Bob Schwartz
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B Lafferty said:

He claims to have evidence in the form of specific doping that he witnessed
and assisted in and/or was told about by other riders on specific teams
(eg.Dave Clinger of Postal). It won't take much time or money to sit down
with him, question him in detail, type up a transcript and ask him to attest
to its truthfulness with an attestation clause.

And then what?

Let's say both Brooks and Clinger say he's full of [censored]. What happens next?
Throw them in the pond and if they drown you know they're innocent? Wait
for Walsh to write a book about it? And then wait for him to publish it in
English?

Bob Schwartz
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B Lafferty said:

He claims to have evidence in the form of specific doping that he
witnessed
and assisted in and/or was told about by other riders on specific teams
(eg.Dave Clinger of Postal). It won't take much time or money to sit down
with him, question him in detail, type up a transcript and ask him to
attest
to its truthfulness with an attestation clause.

And then what?

Let's say both Brooks and Clinger say he's full of [censored].

That might be the end of it--it depends on what was allegedly told to
Decanio.

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What happens next?

All depends on what he says. You can't tell until you sit him down and ask.

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Throw them in the pond and if they drown you know they're innocent?

I'd go for ordeal by fire. Let them hold red hot iron bars in their hands.
If they're telling the truth, God will prevent them from being burned. If
the hands burn, they have another chance to tell the truth.

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Wait
for Walsh to write a book about it? And then wait for him to publish it in
English?

Silly Bob.