Dentists and OBs...

Discussion in 'Health and medical' started by Todd Gastaldo, May 27, 2004.

  1. DENTISTS AND OBs... See the very end of this post.

    ASSUMING root canals cause cavitations and cavitations cause
    symptoms...

    COULD MEGADOSE VIT C HELP RELIEVE SYMPTOMS CAUSED BY ROOT
    CANALS/JAWBONE CAVITATIONS (different from cavities)?

    Dr. Andrew Saul says:

    "I know of no true option to a necessary root canal."
    http://www.doctoryourself.com/news/v3n2.txt

    When determining whether a root canal is necessary...

    Maybe dentists should start talking about jawbone
    cavitations?

    Susan Stockton, MA says:

    "Root canals will unquestionably cause cavitations sooner or
    later..."
    http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/JBcavitations.htm

    JAWBONE CAVITATIONS (different from cavities)...

    "Dead and dying teeth should not remain in the jaw, even if
    they are causing no acute distress to the patient. If
    CAVITAT (tm) scan of the jawbone shows pronounced necrosis
    under a 'vital' tooth, please entertain the possibility that
    the tooth only appears to be vital, and is, in fact,
    dying...For the chronic cavitation patient, extraction may
    be both the beginning and end of his or her health problems.
    The improperly done extraction (usually of a wisdom tooth)
    is frequently the beginning of a problem which may go
    undetected for decades, and then only be resolved by the
    proper extraction of some, or possibly all, of the remaining
    teeth, along with removal of necrotic bone from edentulous
    areas [areas where teeth have been extracted] and aggressive
    systemic detoxification. Prevention and early detection are
    the keys to avoiding this outcome. Improved imaging
    capabilities [with the CAVITAT (tm)] give us the tool for
    such early intervention.. The first step in solving the
    problem, however, is awareness of it. You have taken that
    step and are urged to take the next one. Doctors: Learn to
    recognize jawbone cavitations and to either treat them
    surgically, or refer your patient to a qualified cavitation
    surgeon for treatment. Patients: Seek out a dentist familiar
    with jawbone pathology: It may be the unsuspected cause of
    your systemic problems." --Susan Stockton, MA, author of
    Beyond Amalgam
    http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/JBcavitations.htm

    Susan's advice is obviously RADICAL - but it makes
    sense to me.

    One definition of the word radical is "arising from or going
    to a root or source."

    Again quoting Susan on root canals:

    "Root canals will unquestionably cause cavitations sooner or
    later..."
    http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/JBcavitations.htm

    To order Susan's book, go to:
    http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/books.html

    Megadose Vit C relieved cured relieved periodontal disease?

    Laura Lee Radio Show...transcript excerpt...

    Also cavitation is a new term you're going to learn tonight
    and that is the space left in the jawbone when a tooth is
    extracted. If an infected tooth or simply a wisdom tooth
    that needs to come out to make space, problems can arise
    with dead tissue in the jawbone and you're going to learn
    tonight what you can do about these conditions. We have with
    us Dr. George Meinig, the author of Root Canal Cover-Up.

    Martin: Hello, Laura Lee. Yeah this is kind of a personal
    topic for me, about 15 years ago I heard a report from the
    University of Texas Medical School at Waco. They had a 6ve-
    year study where they demonstrated that 1,000 milligrams of
    vitamin C per day would prevent periodontal
    disease...[A]fter that I was diagnosed by my dentist...with
    pretty serious periodontal disease...I immediately started
    taking 15,000 mg per day for the next four months. He x-
    rayed my teeth at the end of the third month and he said
    "You know something's happening here, the number of pockets
    you have and the size of those pockets is rapidly
    diminishing" 90 he wanted to re-X-ray just to verify this,
    so he did and it showed that some of the smaller pockets had
    completely gone away and the larger pockets were reduced by
    less than half their previous size only three months
    before...And he was amazed and he asked me what I had been
    doing, and I said I had simply been taking 15,000 mg of
    vitamin C every day - 5,000 with each meal. And other than
    that I hadn't changed my diet or done anything else. Does
    your guest have any experience using vitamin C for therapy?

    Laura Lee: Well, they are looking into nutrition and the
    impact it has on health overall. Dr. Meinig...

    Ds. Meinig: Well a third of my practice is actually
    periodontal disease. You said that I was a specialist in
    endodontics but I preferred to do all of dentistry and
    about a third of practice was periodontal disease. I
    never had any patient do 15,000 mg of vitamin C, I got
    many of them on vitamin C, but not that much, and your
    discovery is a very interesting one and I'm going to
    advise a few people to try that and let's see what
    happens with them. I can't say that I've had experience
    to that extent with anybody.
    http://www.mercola.com/2001/apr/25/cavitations.htm

    DENTISTS AND OBs...

    IF root canals cause cavitations/symptoms...

    THEN...

    Dentists who recommend or perform root canals (most
    dentists) are likely not going to agree that root canals are
    causing problems...

    SIMILARLY...

    Obstetricians who close birth canals (most
    obstetricians) are not going to agree that closing birth
    canals causes problems.

    Hence my usual public service announcement...

    PREGNANT WOMEN: OBs are knowingly closing birth canals
    up to 30%.

    For simple PROOF - and instructions on how easy it is for
    pregnant women to allow their birth canals to OPEN the
    "extra" up to 30%...

    See Shoulder Dystocia: OBs *keep* birth canal closed up to
    30%! http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-
    list/message/2561
     
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  2. Red Fox

    Red Fox Guest

    "Todd Gastaldo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > DENTISTS AND OBs... See the very end of this post.
    >
    >
    >
    > ASSUMING root canals cause cavitations and cavitations
    > cause symptoms...
    >
    > COULD MEGADOSE VIT C HELP RELIEVE SYMPTOMS CAUSED BY ROOT
    > CANALS/JAWBONE CAVITATIONS (different from cavities)?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Dr. Andrew Saul says:
    >
    > "I know of no true option to a necessary root canal."
    > http://www.doctoryourself.com/news/v3n2.txt
    >
    > When determining whether a root canal is necessary...
    >
    > Maybe dentists should start talking about jawbone
    > cavitations?
    >
    > Susan Stockton, MA says:
    >
    > "Root canals will unquestionably cause cavitations sooner
    > or later..."
    > http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/JBcavitations.htm
    >
    > JAWBONE CAVITATIONS (different from cavities)...
    >
    > "Dead and dying teeth should not remain in the jaw, even
    > if they are
    causing
    > no acute distress to the patient. If CAVITAT (tm) scan of
    > the jawbone
    shows
    > pronounced necrosis under a 'vital' tooth, please
    > entertain the
    possibility
    > that the tooth only appears to be vital, and is, in fact,
    > dying...For the chronic cavitation patient, extraction may
    > be both the beginning and end
    of
    > his or her health problems. The improperly done extraction
    > (usually of a wisdom tooth) is frequently the beginning of
    > a problem which may go undetected for decades, and then
    > only be resolved by the proper extraction of some, or
    > possibly all, of the remaining teeth, along with removal
    > of necrotic bone from edentulous areas [areas where teeth
    > have been
    extracted]
    > and aggressive systemic detoxification. Prevention and
    > early detection
    are
    > the keys to avoiding this outcome. Improved imaging
    > capabilities [with the CAVITAT (tm)] give us the tool for
    > such early intervention.. The first
    step
    > in solving the problem, however, is awareness of it. You
    > have taken that step and are urged to take the next one.
    > Doctors: Learn to recognize jawbone cavitations and to
    > either treat them surgically, or refer your patient to
    a
    > qualified cavitation surgeon for treatment. Patients: Seek
    > out a dentist familiar with jawbone pathology: It may be
    > the unsuspected cause of your systemic problems." --Susan
    > Stockton, MA, author of Beyond Amalgam
    > http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/JBcavitations.htm
    >
    >
    > Susan's advice is obviously RADICAL - but it makes
    > sense to me.
    >
    > One definition of the word radical is "arising from or
    > going to a root or source."
    >
    > Again quoting Susan on root canals:
    >
    > "Root canals will unquestionably cause cavitations sooner
    > or later..."
    > http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/JBcavitations.htm
    >
    > To order Susan's book, go to:
    > http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/books.html
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Megadose Vit C relieved cured relieved periodontal
    > disease?
    >
    >
    >
    > Laura Lee Radio Show...transcript excerpt...
    >
    > Also cavitation is a new term you're going to learn
    > tonight and that is
    the
    > space left in the jawbone when a tooth is extracted. If an
    > infected tooth
    or
    > simply a wisdom tooth that needs to come out to make
    > space, problems can arise with dead tissue in the jawbone
    > and you're going to learn tonight
    what
    > you can do about these conditions. We have with us Dr.
    > George Meinig, the author of Root Canal Cover-Up.
    >
    > Martin: Hello, Laura Lee. Yeah this is kind of a personal
    > topic for me, about 15 years ago I heard a report from the
    > University of Texas Medical School at Waco. They had a 6ve-
    > year study where they demonstrated that
    1,000
    > milligrams of vitamin C per day would prevent periodontal
    disease...[A]fter
    > that I was diagnosed by my dentist...with pretty serious
    > periodontal disease...I immediately started taking 15,000
    > mg per day for the next four months. He x-rayed my teeth
    > at the end of the third month and he said "You know
    > something's happening here, the number of pockets you
    > have and the
    size
    > of those pockets is rapidly diminishing" 90 he wanted to
    > re-X-ray just to verify this, so he did and it showed that
    > some of the smaller pockets had completely gone away and
    > the larger pockets were reduced by less than half their
    > previous size only three months before...And he was amazed
    > and he asked me what I had been doing, and I said I had
    > simply been taking 15,000 mg of vitamin C every day -
    > 5,000 with each meal. And other than that I hadn't changed
    > my diet or done anything else. Does your guest have any
    > experience using vitamin C for therapy?
    >
    > Laura Lee: Well, they are looking into nutrition and the
    > impact it has on health overall. Dr. Meinig...
    >
    > Dr. Meinig: Well a third of my practice is actually
    > periodontal disease.
    You
    > said that I was a specialist in endodontics but I
    > preferred to do all of dentistry and about a third of
    > practice was periodontal disease. I never
    had
    > any patient do 15,000 mg of vitamin C, I got many of them
    > on vitamin C,
    but
    > not that much, and your discovery is a very interesting
    > one and I'm going
    to
    > advise a few people to try that and let's see what happens
    > with them. I can't say that I've had experience to that
    > extent with anybody.
    > http://www.mercola.com/2001/apr/25/cavitations.htm
    >

    I copied the following from a NG discussion - possibly from
    this NG - about a year or two ago. Seems that 250 mg of
    vitamin C per day saturates the body and the rest is
    eliminated, according to this research. More research could
    be needed though.

    Enjoy!

    RF

    >
    > Recently Dr Weil reported some research which indicated
    > that the human body can utilize no more than about 250 mg
    > of vitamin C per day. Anyone know any more about this?

    This is true. Linus Pauling was wrong in naively believing
    that only when you got diarrhoea was the body getting enough
    vitamin C..

    This is what Weil is referring to ---

    New insights into the physiology and pharmacology of
    vitamin C Sebastian J. Padayatty, Mark Levine CMAJ 2001;164(3):353-
    5 [PDF]

    (Note that the circulating white blood cells are saturated
    with ascorbic acid at an intake of just 100 mgm per day.)

    Quote--

    When given orally, ascorbic acid is well absorbed at lower
    doses, but absorption decreases as the dose increases. Thus,
    median bioavailability following an oral dose is 87% for 30
    mg, 80% for 100 mg, 72% for 200 mg and 63% for 500 mg. Less
    than 50% of a 1250-mg dose is absorbed, and most of the
    absorbed dose is excreted in the urine. Ascorbic acid is not
    protein bound, so it is filtered and reabsorbed by the
    kidneys in healthy subjects but is lost in patients who have
    been hemodialyzed. Ascorbic acid begins to appear in urine
    at doses above 100
    mg/day, corresponding to a plasma concentration of about 60
    µmol/L, at which point plasma is 70% saturated and
    circulating white blood cells are fully saturated.
    Decreased bioavailability and renal excretion keep plasma
    vitamin C at less than 100 µmol/L, even with an oral dose
    of 1000 mg. In men at steady state, a 30-mg daily intake
    results in a mean plasma concentration of 9 µmol/L, 60 mg
    results in 25 µmol/L, 100 mg in 56 µmol/L and 200 mg in
    75 µmol/L. Thus, the dose-concentration relationship is
    sigmoidal, with the steep portion of the curve lying
    between 30 mg and 100 mg of oral vitamin C daily. Doses
    greater than 500 mg daily contribute little to plasma or
    tissue stores. Circulating white blood cells contain 10-
    30 times the plasma concentrations of vitamin C.

    End quote

    Peter Moran
     
  3. Anth

    Anth Guest

    It's dogma based on faulty reasoning - see (doses far above
    the quoted 250mg do have effects - but why?)
    http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/bsardi.html Anth

    "Red Fox" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:t9utc.13-
    [email protected]
    >
    > "Todd Gastaldo" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > message news:[email protected]
    > thlink.net...
    > > DENTISTS AND OBs... See the very end of this post.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ASSUMING root canals cause cavitations and cavitations
    > > cause symptoms...
    > >
    > > COULD MEGADOSE VIT C HELP RELIEVE SYMPTOMS CAUSED BY
    > > ROOT CANALS/JAWBONE CAVITATIONS (different from
    > > cavities)?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Dr. Andrew Saul says:
    > >
    > > "I know of no true option to a necessary root canal."
    > > http://www.doctoryourself.com/news/v3n2.txt
    > >
    > > When determining whether a root canal is necessary...
    > >
    > > Maybe dentists should start talking about jawbone
    > > cavitations?
    > >
    > > Susan Stockton, MA says:
    > >
    > > "Root canals will unquestionably cause cavitations
    > > sooner or later..."
    > > http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/JBcavitations.htm
    > >
    > > JAWBONE CAVITATIONS (different from cavities)...
    > >
    > > "Dead and dying teeth should not remain in the jaw, even
    > > if they are
    > causing
    > > no acute distress to the patient. If CAVITAT (tm) scan
    > > of the jawbone
    > shows
    > > pronounced necrosis under a 'vital' tooth, please
    > > entertain the
    > possibility
    > > that the tooth only appears to be vital, and is, in
    > > fact, dying...For
    the
    > > chronic cavitation patient, extraction may be both the
    > > beginning and end
    > of
    > > his or her health problems. The improperly done
    > > extraction (usually of a wisdom tooth) is frequently the
    > > beginning of a problem which may go undetected for
    > > decades, and then only be resolved by the proper
    extraction
    > > of some, or possibly all, of the remaining teeth, along
    > > with removal of necrotic bone from edentulous areas
    > > [areas where teeth have been
    > extracted]
    > > and aggressive systemic detoxification. Prevention and
    > > early detection
    > are
    > > the keys to avoiding this outcome. Improved imaging
    > > capabilities [with
    the
    > > CAVITAT (tm)] give us the tool for such early
    > > intervention.. The first
    > step
    > > in solving the problem, however, is awareness of it. You
    > > have taken that
    step
    > > and are urged to take the next one. Doctors: Learn to
    > > recognize
    jawbone
    > > cavitations and to either treat them surgically, or
    > > refer your patient
    to
    > a
    > > qualified cavitation surgeon for treatment. Patients:
    > > Seek out a
    dentist
    > > familiar with jawbone pathology: It may be the
    > > unsuspected cause of
    your
    > > systemic problems." --Susan Stockton, MA, author of
    > > Beyond Amalgam
    > > http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/JBcavitations.htm
    > >
    > >
    > > Susan's advice is obviously RADICAL - but it makes sense
    > > to me.
    > >
    > > One definition of the word radical is "arising from or
    > > going to a root
    or
    > > source."
    > >
    > > Again quoting Susan on root canals:
    > >
    > > "Root canals will unquestionably cause cavitations
    > > sooner or later..."
    > > http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/JBcavitations.htm
    > >
    > > To order Susan's book, go to:
    > > http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/books.html
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Megadose Vit C relieved cured relieved periodontal
    > > disease?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Laura Lee Radio Show...transcript excerpt...
    > >
    > > Also cavitation is a new term you're going to learn
    > > tonight and that is
    > the
    > > space left in the jawbone when a tooth is extracted. If
    > > an infected
    tooth
    > or
    > > simply a wisdom tooth that needs to come out to make
    > > space, problems can arise with dead tissue in the
    > > jawbone and you're going to learn tonight
    > what
    > > you can do about these conditions. We have with us Dr.
    > > George Meinig,
    the
    > > author of Root Canal Cover-Up.
    > >
    > > Martin: Hello, Laura Lee. Yeah this is kind of a
    > > personal topic for me, about 15 years ago I heard a
    > > report from the University of Texas Medical School at
    > > Waco. They had a 6ve-year study where they
    > > demonstrated that
    > 1,000
    > > milligrams of vitamin C per day would prevent
    > > periodontal
    > disease...[A]fter
    > > that I was diagnosed by my dentist...with pretty serious
    > > periodontal disease...I immediately started taking
    > > 15,000 mg per day for the next
    four
    > > months. He x-rayed my teeth at the end of the third
    > > month and he said
    "You
    > > know something's happening here, the number of pockets
    > > you have and the
    > size
    > > of those pockets is rapidly diminishing" 90 he wanted to
    > > re-X-ray just
    to
    > > verify this, so he did and it showed that some of the
    > > smaller pockets
    had
    > > completely gone away and the larger pockets were reduced
    > > by less than
    half
    > > their previous size only three months before...And he
    > > was amazed and he asked me what I had been doing, and I
    > > said I had simply been taking
    15,000
    > > mg of vitamin C every day - 5,000 with each meal. And
    > > other than that I hadn't changed my diet or done
    > > anything else. Does your guest have any experience using
    > > vitamin C for therapy?
    > >
    > > Laura Lee: Well, they are looking into nutrition and the
    > > impact it has
    on
    > > health overall. Dr. Meinig...
    > >
    > > Dr. Meinig: Well a third of my practice is actually
    > > periodontal disease.
    > You
    > > said that I was a specialist in endodontics but I
    > > preferred to do all of dentistry and about a third of
    > > practice was periodontal disease. I never
    > had
    > > any patient do 15,000 mg of vitamin C, I got many of
    > > them on vitamin C,
    > but
    > > not that much, and your discovery is a very interesting
    > > one and I'm
    going
    > to
    > > advise a few people to try that and let's see what
    > > happens with them. I can't say that I've had experience
    > > to that extent with anybody.
    > > http://www.mercola.com/2001/apr/25/cavitations.htm
    > >
    >
    >
    > I copied the following from a NG discussion - possibly
    > from this NG -
    about
    > a year or two ago. Seems that 250 mg of vitamin C per day
    > saturates the
    body
    > and the rest is eliminated, according to this research.
    > More research
    could
    > be needed though.
    >
    > Enjoy!
    >
    > RF
    >
    >
    > >
    > > Recently Dr Weil reported some research which
    > > indicated that the human body can utilize no more than
    > > about 250 mg of vitamin C per day. Anyone know any
    > > more about this?
    >
    > This is true. Linus Pauling was wrong in naively believing
    > that only when you got diarrhoea was the body getting
    > enough vitamin C..
    >
    > This is what Weil is referring to ---
    >
    > New insights into the physiology and pharmacology of
    > vitamin C Sebastian J. Padayatty, Mark Levine CMAJ 2001;164(3):353-
    > 5 [PDF]
    >
    > (Note that the circulating white blood cells are saturated
    > with ascorbic acid at an intake of just 100 mgm per day.)
    >
    > Quote--
    >
    > When given orally, ascorbic acid is well absorbed at lower
    > doses, but absorption decreases as the dose increases.
    > Thus, median bioavailability following an oral dose is 87%
    > for 30 mg, 80% for 100 mg, 72% for 200 mg
    and
    > 63% for 500 mg. Less than 50% of a 1250-mg dose is
    > absorbed, and most of
    the
    > absorbed dose is excreted in the urine. Ascorbic acid is
    > not protein bound, so it is filtered and reabsorbed by
    the
    > kidneys in healthy subjects but is lost in patients who
    > have been hemodialyzed. Ascorbic acid begins to appear in
    > urine at doses above 100
    > mg/day, corresponding to a plasma concentration of about
    > 60 µmol/L, at
    which
    > point plasma is 70% saturated and circulating white blood
    > cells are fully saturated. Decreased
    bioavailability
    > and renal excretion keep plasma vitamin C at less than 100
    > µmol/L, even
    with
    > an oral dose of 1000 mg. In men at steady state, a 30-mg
    > daily intake results in a mean plasma concentration of 9
    > µmol/L, 60 mg results in 25 µmol/L, 100 mg in 56 µmol/L
    > and 200 mg in 75 µmol/L. Thus, the dose-concentration
    > relationship is sigmoidal, with the steep portion of
    the
    > curve lying between 30 mg and 100 mg of oral vitamin C
    > daily. Doses greater than 500 mg daily contribute little
    > to plasma or tissue stores. Circulating white blood cells
    > contain 10-30 times the plasma
    concentrations
    > of vitamin C.
    >
    > End quote
    >
    > Peter Moran
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
     
  4. Anth

    Anth Guest

    Anti oxidants 'give electrons' and they reduce oxidative
    stress which is a sign of disease. The more 'stress' you
    have the more vitamin c will be 'used up' and the less you
    will urinate out. Animals have been known to increase they
    vitamin c synthesis by 100 fold in times of stress. Anth

    "Red Fox" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:t9utc.13-
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  5. Red Fox

    Red Fox Guest

    Thanks Anth for the inputs. Looks like much more research is
    needed in this field.

    RF

    . "Anth" <[email protected]_for_idiots.com>
    wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Anti oxidants 'give electrons' and they reduce oxidative
    > stress which is a sign of disease. The more 'stress' you
    > have the more vitamin c will be 'used up' and the
    less
    > you will urinate out. Animals have been known to increase
    > they vitamin c synthesis by 100 fold
    in
    > times of stress. Anth
    >
    > "Red Fox" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:t9utc.-
    > [email protected]
     
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