depression and low carb dieting?



In article <[email protected]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hawking has had plenty to be depressed about.
>

But he overcame it. ;-)

Go to work JC!
That's where I'm headed here shortly.
I have a morning meeting, then still have to work the night shift
tonight.

How depressing..... <G>

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-*****." -Jack Nicholson
 
YES!

--

"no duh!"
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/10/bush.poll.ap/index.html





"Crystal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "rosie read n' post" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:MV%[email protected]...
> > chocolate works well for me.
> > you can make your own LC chocolate and dip fruit in it after your
> > dinner.
> > (eat for one hour only)
> >
> > http://www.camacdonald.com/lc/Cookbook/0804.html
>
>
> can splenda be used instead of equal in that recipe?
>
>
>
>
 
actually roger, the treatment of depression CAN BE rocket science!

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"no duh!"
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"Roger Zoul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Crystal <[email protected]> wrote:
> :> "Roger Zoul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> :>
> :>> Blueberries, strawberries, avaocados, nuts, turkey, splenda
> :>> sweetened chocolate, pumpkin seeds are all allowed on LC.
> :>
> :>
> :> actually they stress mangos and bananas are the ones that should be
> :> eaten to up serotonin
> :>
> :>
> :>> Are you sure, or do you just want to quit LC?
> :>
> :>
> :> No. Contrary to what you are implying, I am not making an excuse
to
> :> stop LC, I have no plans of quitting. My original post was simply
a
> :> "I wonder if" this is what is happening to my mood, not a way out
of
> :> eating LC.
>
> If you can't eat what they "stress", eat the other foods on the list
that
> are low carb. And do some exercise. Plenty of people don't eat
mangos and
> bananas and don't have low moods.
>
> It's not rocket science, you know.
>
>
 
no roger, that was my suggestion to crystal.
when i walk i do two miles (4mph) this week i start back with regular
water aerobics and a yoga/pilates class.

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"no duh!"
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"Roger Zoul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> rosie read n' post <[email protected]> wrote:
> :> exercise.
> :> walk for 15 minutes daily.
>
> It that all you do, rosie?
>
> :> read:
> :>
> :> POTATOES NOT PROZAC
> :>
> :> --
> :>
> :> "no duh!"
> :> http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/10/bush.poll.ap/index.html
> :>
> :>
> :>
> :>
> :>
> :> "Crystal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> :> news:8%[email protected]...
> :>> I have been increasingly depressed over the last year. I just
read
> :>> a
> :> couple
> :>> articles on Serotonin and what foods help raise Serotonin levels
and
> :> can
> :>> make you feel better.
> :>>
> :>> I have been on a low carb diet for a year or so. They suggest a
HIGH
> :> carb
> :>> diet to raise Serotonin levels. So perhaps my increasingly
> :>> depressed
> :> mood
> :>> has been because of my low carb diet. However, I only can lose
> :>> weight
> :> on
> :>> low carb. What to do.... what to do
>
>
 
i use to use a coffee mug that had the names of all the GREAT COMPOSERS
who suffered from depression.
we are a talented lot!
;)

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"no duh!"
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"Roger Zoul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Luna <[email protected]> wrote:
> :> In article <[email protected]>,
> :> "Roger Zoul" <[email protected]> wrote:
> :>
> :>> Luna <[email protected]> wrote:
> :>> :>
> :>> :> Do you really want a list of people from history who
contributed
> :>> :> to our society despite suffering from depression?
> :>>
> :>> Yeah....
> :>
> :> Well, this is one list I found, but it's heavy on the artistic
> :> fields:
> :>
> :> http://mixednuts.net/depression-famous.html
> :>
> :> This is where I found Aldrin and Hawking:
> :>
> :> http://bluepages.anu.edu.au/symptoms_famous.html
> :>
>
> Geez....when I see those names, I can't help but wonder what do most
of
> those people have to be depressed about?
>
>
 
rosie read n' post <[email protected]> wrote:
:> no roger, that was my suggestion to crystal.
:> when i walk i do two miles (4mph) this week i start back with regular
:> water aerobics and a yoga/pilates class.

Ah...makes sense now....I thought something was wrong with that picture.
 
rosie read n' post <[email protected]> wrote:
:> no roger, that was my suggestion to crystal.
:> when i walk i do two miles (4mph) this week i start back with regular
:> water aerobics and a yoga/pilates class.

Ah...makes sense now....I thought something was wrong with that picture.
 
Are you a proponent of utilitarian bioethics, by any chance?

In article <[email protected]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Get to weepin'.
>
> --
> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW
>
>
> "Luna" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Doesn't matter if you would be impressed or not. You said "Those that
> > don't want to live just try to suck the energy from those of us that
> > still have a zest for life."
> >
> > They (depressed people) don't JUST try to do suck your precious zestful
> > energy. They try, and accomplish, much more than that.
> >
> > Maybe you think the world would have been better off if Buzz Aldrin,
> > Stephen Hawking, Ernest Hemingway, Kurt Vonnegut, and Cole Porter had
> > just killed themselves whenever they had their first onset of
> > depression. If so, my heart weeps tears of bitter blood for the empty
> > hole where your soul should be.
> >
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Do you really believe that I'd be impressed?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW
> >>
> >>
> >> "Luna" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > Looks like I'm doing better at losing weight than you are at refraining
> >> > from telling people to kill themselves.
> >> >
> >> > Do you really want a list of people from history who contributed to our
> >> > society despite suffering from depression?
> >> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

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Are you a proponent of utilitarian bioethics, by any chance?

In article <[email protected]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Get to weepin'.
>
> --
> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW
>
>
> "Luna" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Doesn't matter if you would be impressed or not. You said "Those that
> > don't want to live just try to suck the energy from those of us that
> > still have a zest for life."
> >
> > They (depressed people) don't JUST try to do suck your precious zestful
> > energy. They try, and accomplish, much more than that.
> >
> > Maybe you think the world would have been better off if Buzz Aldrin,
> > Stephen Hawking, Ernest Hemingway, Kurt Vonnegut, and Cole Porter had
> > just killed themselves whenever they had their first onset of
> > depression. If so, my heart weeps tears of bitter blood for the empty
> > hole where your soul should be.
> >
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Do you really believe that I'd be impressed?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW
> >>
> >>
> >> "Luna" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > Looks like I'm doing better at losing weight than you are at refraining
> >> > from telling people to kill themselves.
> >> >
> >> > Do you really want a list of people from history who contributed to our
> >> > society despite suffering from depression?
> >> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

--
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Crystal wrote:
>
> I have been increasingly depressed over the last year.

I just read through your posting history to have enough context
to try some responses that make sense for your situation.
Kudos on the sobriety. That's still going well I hope? It
does suggest a cause for your depression:

> I just read a couple
> articles on Serotonin and what foods help raise Serotonin levels and can
> make you feel better.

Terminating alcohol use can lower seratonin levels. Part of
how addictions build is a substance will boost seratonin
production in the short term but cut seratonin production in
the long run. The substance becomes both the cause of the
lower levels and the cure to increase levels in a vicious
feedback cycle. The long term solution is the hard one,
quitting and riding out the withxdrawal.

> I have been on a low carb diet for a year or so.

Have you ever moved on to OWL? I've read through your
positng history to try to figure that out and it looks like
you've remained on Induction. You never read the DANDR
book. You worked from memory in your low carb attempt.
And so on.

> They suggest a HIGH carb diet to raise Serotonin levels.

More specifically they recommend against extremely low
dietary carb levels. As in remaining on Induction. Try
moving on to OWL.

> So perhaps my increasingly depressed mood
> has been because of my low carb diet.

I think quitting drinking had a lot more to do with it,
but staying on Induction would only make problems last
longer if the seratonin theories are right.

> However, I only can lose weight on
> low carb. What to do.... what to do

Read the book, follow the process, move on to OWL. The
higher carbs of following the directions should handle
it.
 
"Susan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> JOLINDA RANEY wrote:
>
>> My apologies. You are right:)
>
> Ooh, you just said the Three Magic Words. :)
>
> Susan

Well, you make a lot of sense. It just hit a nerve with me. I have a
beautiful, talented daughter who tried to commit suicide 2yrs ago. She was
depressed over a break-up with a boy( her first love), and it was awful. I
should have not responded. I am sorry about not using OT---I agree it should
have been used. My daughter has moved on and is now in college and doing
wonderfully. I still don't think JC meant what he said( although he will
argue otherwise).

I have to realize that not everyone thinks as I do.

Hugs.
 
"Susan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> JOLINDA RANEY wrote:
>
>> My apologies. You are right:)
>
> Ooh, you just said the Three Magic Words. :)
>
> Susan

Well, you make a lot of sense. It just hit a nerve with me. I have a
beautiful, talented daughter who tried to commit suicide 2yrs ago. She was
depressed over a break-up with a boy( her first love), and it was awful. I
should have not responded. I am sorry about not using OT---I agree it should
have been used. My daughter has moved on and is now in college and doing
wonderfully. I still don't think JC meant what he said( although he will
argue otherwise).

I have to realize that not everyone thinks as I do.

Hugs.
 
x-no-archive: yes

JOLINDA RANEY wrote:

> Well, you make a lot of sense. It just hit a nerve with me. I have a
> beautiful, talented daughter who tried to commit suicide 2yrs ago. She was
> depressed over a break-up with a boy( her first love), and it was awful.

I lived with a depressed teen long enough to know how painful it is.
It's the worst. I'm glad to hear that your daughter is okay now. Older
and wiser, I hope.

I
> should have not responded. I am sorry about not using OT---I agree it should
> have been used.

It's just that an entire newsgroup can be hijacked by one obnoxious
miscreant if enough folks allow him to push their buttons. For those
who use KF's, OT helps us to avoid reading a thread that's not about the
topic we're expecting.

> My daughter has moved on and is now in college and doing
> wonderfully. I still don't think JC meant what he said( although he will
> argue otherwise).
>
> I have to realize that not everyone thinks as I do.
>
> Hugs.
>
>

I don't know or care if JC means any of what he says, he's a pathetic
dunce, from what I recall, about junior high mentality, if we're feeling
generous. :)

I certainly didn't disagree with anything you had to say, just with the
notion that saying it here, to him, was going to benefit anyone in any
way, or make any kind of difference.

I worked in mental health for many years. Folks don't kill themselves
because someone who's obviously a jerk tells them to, they do it, or
make attempts, for all sorts of other reasons. But I understand why
that's a hot button for you.

Susan
 
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:01:19 GMT, "rosie read n' post"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>i use to use a coffee mug that had the names of all the GREAT COMPOSERS
>who suffered from depression.
>we are a talented lot!
>;)

Now they're decomposing composers.

Kevin
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Kevin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:01:19 GMT, "rosie read n' post"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >i use to use a coffee mug that had the names of all the GREAT COMPOSERS
> >who suffered from depression.
> >we are a talented lot!
> >;)
>
> Now they're decomposing composers.
>
> Kevin

And the music plays backwards...
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-*****." -Jack Nicholson
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Kevin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:01:19 GMT, "rosie read n' post"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >i use to use a coffee mug that had the names of all the GREAT COMPOSERS
> >who suffered from depression.
> >we are a talented lot!
> >;)
>
> Now they're decomposing composers.
>
> Kevin

And the music plays backwards...
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-*****." -Jack Nicholson
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Kevin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:01:19 GMT, "rosie read n' post"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >i use to use a coffee mug that had the names of all the GREAT COMPOSERS
> >who suffered from depression.
> >we are a talented lot!
> >;)
>
> Now they're decomposing composers.
>
> Kevin

And the music plays backwards...
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-*****." -Jack Nicholson
 
I value any farmer more than the group you named.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW


"Luna" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Are you a proponent of utilitarian bioethics, by any chance?
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "JC Der Koenig" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Get to weepin'.
>>
>> --
>> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW
>>
>>
>> "Luna" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > Doesn't matter if you would be impressed or not. You said "Those that
>> > don't want to live just try to suck the energy from those of us that
>> > still have a zest for life."
>> >
>> > They (depressed people) don't JUST try to do suck your precious zestful
>> > energy. They try, and accomplish, much more than that.
>> >
>> > Maybe you think the world would have been better off if Buzz Aldrin,
>> > Stephen Hawking, Ernest Hemingway, Kurt Vonnegut, and Cole Porter had
>> > just killed themselves whenever they had their first onset of
>> > depression. If so, my heart weeps tears of bitter blood for the empty
>> > hole where your soul should be.
>> >
>> > In article <[email protected]>,
>> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Do you really believe that I'd be impressed?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. --
>> >> MFW
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Luna" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email protected]...
>> >> > Looks like I'm doing better at losing weight than you are at
>> >> > refraining
>> >> > from telling people to kill themselves.
>> >> >
>> >> > Do you really want a list of people from history who contributed to
>> >> > our
>> >> > society despite suffering from depression?
>> >> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick
>
> --
> http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick
 
He claimed that he would solve the unification theory problem.

He still hasn't.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW


"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "JC Der Koenig" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hawking has had plenty to be depressed about.
>>
>
> But he overcame it. ;-)
>
> Go to work JC!
> That's where I'm headed here shortly.
> I have a morning meeting, then still have to work the night shift
> tonight.
>
> How depressing..... <G>
>
> Cheers!
> --
> Om.
>
> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-*****." -Jack
> Nicholson
 
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