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> Richard P. ("****") Eastman answers statements of Mr. Abraham H. Foxman,
> National Director of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, which
> Eastman believes are misrepresentations of findings that are purely
> evidence driven, the evidence yielding conclusive refutation of the
> government-and-mass-media-promoted account of a Boeing 757, AA Flight 77,
> crashing into the west wall the Pentagon on the morning of September 11,
> 2001. It is in these unshakable findings that conclusions of a Zionist
> rather than an Arab provenance of the mass-murder attacks is found.
>
>
>
> Mr. Foxman in his remarks does not even hit at the existence of this
> evidence, or that the rapidly spread conclusion that Wolfowitz, Perle,
> Rumsfeld, Feith, Kissinger and that that implication itself implies a
> "neoconservative," a Zionist and an Anglo-American merchant banking
> involvement in the planning and execution of this mass-murder crime -- a
> conclusion that is corroborated by examination of the questions, "who
really
> gains" and "who really looses." Remember, from the first hoursPentagon who
> from the first moments from the very first hours following the crash, Mr.
> Kissinger, Mr. Wolfowitz and Mr. Rumsfeld were putting out the story of
the
> crashed jetliner that they knew had to be false, and claimed to know that
> Arabs were responsible at the same time they claimed that the attack was
> totally unexpected.
>
> It is not spontaneous generation of rumor or born of the congenital
hatred
> of "skinheads" that prompts these charges against the Pentagon Zionists
and
> those yet more powerful those responsible for securing the former with
> powers of governance and the formation of policy.
>
> First read what Mr. Foxman's position, then the line-by-line response.
>
> Richard P. Eastman M.S., M.A.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----
>
>
>
> What Mr. Foxman is contending:
>
> ADL report: Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories (.pdf -
1.2MB
> requires Acrobat Reader )
>
>
> New York, NY, September 2, 2003: Two years after the horrific 9/11
attacks
> on America, hateful conspiracy theories claiming the attacks were
actually
> carried about by Israelis and Jews continue to gather force around the
> world, causing dangerous new mutations of global anti-Semitism.
>
> The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), concerned at how such rumors continue
to
> find acceptance despite two years of intensive efforts by watchdog groups
> and democratic governments to combat them, today issued a report
coinciding
> with the second anniversary of the attacks, documenting the continuing
> spread of 9/11 conspiracy theories and the potential for this "Big Lie"
to
> rationalize and fuel global anti-Semitism.
>
> According to the League's report, Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy
> Theories, the canard of Jewish or Israeli involvement in 9/11 has gained
> widespread acceptance in the Arab and Muslim world, parts of Europe and
even
> in the United States.
>
> "The 9/11 attacks have fueled an entire new genre of anti-Semitic
conspiracy
> theories leading to an environment where rumors about Jews are finding
> acceptance in the mainstream," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National
> Director. "As we gather to commemorate the second anniversary of the
9/11
> attacks, the Big Lie shows no signs of diminishing. In fact, it is
finding
> new acceptance every day. That is not just disturbing, but tragic,
because
> we cannot win the war against terrorism without first winning over the
> hearts and minds of people in the Arab World who accept anti-Semitic 9/11
> conspiracies as fact. What's really needed is a concerted effort by
> democratic nations to reject anti-Jewish conspiracies."
>
> Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories documents how anti-
Semitic
> conspiracy theories about the attacks on the World Trade Center and the
> Pentagon spread around the world with lightening speed, ushered along
with
> the help of global electronic communications, especially the Internet and
> satellite television.
>
> According to ADL, the rumors, while finding expression in the media,
> speeches and in public statements, have also brought together a disparate
> group of Jew-haters who are using the Big Lie to fuel anti- Semitism.
>
> "Never in the history of the Jewish people has one terrible lie about
> 'Jewish control' spread so quickly and with such power, captivating not
> only those on the extreme fringe but the educated elite, particularly in
> the Muslim and Arab word," said Mr. Foxman. "The Big Lie has been
repeated
> by imams, the press and government officials in the Arab world, and is
> contributing to disturbing and dangerous mutations in global
> anti-Semitism."
>
> The League's report documents the spread of the Big Lie from the first
> whisperings of blame against Jews in the immediate aftermath of the
> attacks, to more recent manifestations and permutations. Among the ADL's
> conclusions:
>
> The Big Lie has united American far-right extremists and white
> supremacists and elements within the Arab and Muslim world that are
> exchanging and repeating information, ideas and conspiracy theories.
>
> The 9/11 conspiracy theories are essentially updated versions of
classical
> anti-Semitic canards, claming that Jews are inherently evil and intent on
> manipulating and controlling world events to their own benefit. It is
> essentially a modern manifestation of the anti- Semitic, "Protocols of the
> Elders of Zion," the infamous 19th century Russian forgery that purported
> to map out a Jewish conspiracy for world domination.
>
> September 11 conspiracies have spawned an entire industry that includes
> anti-Semitic books, pamphlets, videotapes, Web sites and speakers.
>
> 9/11 conspiracies have laid the foundation for the proliferation of
similar
> conspiracy theories about other global disasters. For example, some
> conspiracy theorists claim Israel was complicit in the destruction of
Space
> Shuttle Columbia and suggest that shuttle astronaut Col. Ilan Ramon was
> actually a "spy" for Israel. Others blame Jews and Israelis for
"pushing"
> the U.S. into war against Saddam Hussein.
>
> The accusation that Jews plotted the attacks has fueled more traditional
> canards about Jews, including those claiming that Jews have a "master
plan"
> for world domination, and that Jews use the blood of non-Jews to make
> holiday breads and pastries (blood libel).
>
> The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading
> organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that
> counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry
>
> =========
>
> Richard P. Eastman replies to the above statements of Mr. Abraham H.
Foxman:
>
>
> AHF: Two years after the horrific 9/11 attacks on America, hateful
> conspiracy theories claiming the attacks were actually carried about by
> Israelis and Jews continue to gather force around the world, causing
> dangerous new mutations of global anti-Semitism.
>
> RPE: Theories, of whatever kind, cannot, of themselves, be hateful. It
is
> the men who present theories who may or may not be motivated by a personal
> experience that also generates emotional responding often characterized
as
> hatred. But of course, if some "ax to grind" is the real motivation
behind
> the promulgation of "a theory," then it isn't a theory at all, it is a
> slander, a concocted story that is not really an honest attempt to
interpret
> events.
>
> The question then becomes, is it data-based interpretations and
explanations
> that are circulating around the world, or merely propagandistic slanders
> rather than honest attempts to reconstruct events from the known facts?
>
> I have presented evidence and conclusions that point inescapably to a
group
> of men in the Pentagon who share a Zionist intellectual orientation, an
> Israel-first foreign policy stance, and personal ties to the great
merchant
> banking families of Wall Street and London (e.g., Kissinger to the
> Rockefellers; Perle to the Rothschilds etc.), that tie them to each other,
> so that if a Boeing 757 did not crash at the Pentagon and each of them
> immediately were spreading the story that one did, that, most reasonably,
> they must have been involved in the planning of the false-flag inside-job
> mass-murder frame-up.
>
>
> AHF: The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), concerned at how such rumors
> continue to find acceptance despite two years of intensive efforts by
> watchdog groups and democratic governments to combat them, today issued a
> report coinciding with the second anniversary of the attacks, documenting
> the continuing spread of 9/11 conspiracy theories and the potential for
> this "Big Lie" to rationalize and fuel global anti-Semitism.
>
>
> RPE: There are indeed rumors about 911 and many of them doubtless
> originating and spreading through the efforts of people who are implacably
> against Jews -- if I may inject that sterotype, never having met anyone
> that I though capapble of such a harmful-to-everyone calumny.
>
> But is what "watchdog groups" done to "combat" rumors also the same thing
> that "watchdog groups" are doing to people examining only the universally
> established evidence (all available photos taken by various witnesses, all
> known accounts by on-the-scene witness, subsequent interviews with those
> witnesses, vacinity maps, engineering data on aircraft, structural reports
> by civil engineers on the damage to the building, and known properties of
> the materials involved, combined with the physics of the event -- because
> the fact is that never has any watchdog group ever undertaken to take the
> findings of this kind of researcher and answer them in a scientific way.
> Rather the "watchdogs" have lurked on the internet and then intervened
with
> the most vulgar attacks on people bringing their compiled evidence to the
> internet for discussion. How many times were honest men who had hunted
out
> the facts and made honest attempts to interpret them honestly been
subjected
> to ADL-allied "watchdogs" who attempt to crowd out the investigator with
> "freeping," with obscene name calling, misrepresentation, insincere
> pseudo-answers -- in short with "COINTELPRO" -- which is all that these
> watchdogs really know, all that they really do.
>
> In short, neither the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith nor the
> watchdogs (which may or may not be ADL supported or guided) have shown any
> concern that 911 was never investigated as a crime -- that within a few
> hours after the attack, Mr. Kissinger and Mr. Wolfowitz had solved the
case
> and, in fact, photos of the "actual hijackers" were being circulated,
> effectively tamping down public desire for an investigation. Yet, today
it
> is well known that most of the hijackers named are people still alive and
> not at all connected with the attacks.
>
> Mr. Foxman does not mention the Israelis who photographed the collapse of
> the towers, laughing and jumping with glee as they did so, men one of whom
> when later interviewed on Israeli radio stated that the group had gone to
> New York to photograph the event.
>
> Nor is there acknowledgement or interest that that 97 Israeli nationals
> were working at Dulles International, where Flight 77 originated, and at
> Reagan National, one mile from the Pentagon,where, as evidence presented
> below establishes, the Boeing 757 that overflew the Pentagon at the moment
> of the crash of the actual killer jet shortly afterwards landed at Reagan
or
> regained higher altitude disguised as a plane that had come in too short
and
> had to make another approach etc. Each of these Israelis had, illegally,
top
> security passes that gave them access to all parts of the airport,
> ticketing, security, baggage, the towers, take off and landing. And why
did
> Donald Rumsfled simply deport these people in such highly suspicious
> circumstance, given the treatment accorded to Moslems in sending them to
> Guantanamo. This is not of interest to Mr. Foxman. According to Mr.
> Foxman, everything is just rumor born of hate.
>
> But is Mr. Foxman being just in leveling this accusation at those who
have
> concluded from evidence that Zionist and Israelis were involved in 911.
>
> AHF: According to the League's report, Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11
> Conspiracy Theories, the canard of Jewish or Israeli involvement in 9/11
> has gained widespread acceptance in the Arab and Muslim world, parts of
> Europe and even in the United States.
>
> RPE: A "canard" has gained acceptance, you say. Now by calling them a
> canard you must mean that conclusions of Jewish or Israeli involvement are
> either "unfounded" or by you somehow known for certain to be untrue -- I
> assume you are not burdening your argument with merely an asserted
statement
> of your faith in what all fellow Jews are either capable or incapapble of
> doing.
>
> So first we have a "rumor" and now we have a "canard," but what about the
> people whose conclusions were entirely formed by the overwhelming body of
> hard evidence? Why, Mr. Foxman, do you not even discuss the possibility
> that someone could have merely followed the evidence to the conclusion of
news:[email protected]...
> Richard P. ("****") Eastman answers statements of Mr. Abraham H. Foxman,
> National Director of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, which
> Eastman believes are misrepresentations of findings that are purely
> evidence driven, the evidence yielding conclusive refutation of the
> government-and-mass-media-promoted account of a Boeing 757, AA Flight 77,
> crashing into the west wall the Pentagon on the morning of September 11,
> 2001. It is in these unshakable findings that conclusions of a Zionist
> rather than an Arab provenance of the mass-murder attacks is found.
>
>
>
> Mr. Foxman in his remarks does not even hit at the existence of this
> evidence, or that the rapidly spread conclusion that Wolfowitz, Perle,
> Rumsfeld, Feith, Kissinger and that that implication itself implies a
> "neoconservative," a Zionist and an Anglo-American merchant banking
> involvement in the planning and execution of this mass-murder crime -- a
> conclusion that is corroborated by examination of the questions, "who
really
> gains" and "who really looses." Remember, from the first hoursPentagon who
> from the first moments from the very first hours following the crash, Mr.
> Kissinger, Mr. Wolfowitz and Mr. Rumsfeld were putting out the story of
the
> crashed jetliner that they knew had to be false, and claimed to know that
> Arabs were responsible at the same time they claimed that the attack was
> totally unexpected.
>
> It is not spontaneous generation of rumor or born of the congenital
hatred
> of "skinheads" that prompts these charges against the Pentagon Zionists
and
> those yet more powerful those responsible for securing the former with
> powers of governance and the formation of policy.
>
> First read what Mr. Foxman's position, then the line-by-line response.
>
> Richard P. Eastman M.S., M.A.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----
>
>
>
> What Mr. Foxman is contending:
>
> ADL report: Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories (.pdf -
1.2MB
> requires Acrobat Reader )
>
>
> New York, NY, September 2, 2003: Two years after the horrific 9/11
attacks
> on America, hateful conspiracy theories claiming the attacks were
actually
> carried about by Israelis and Jews continue to gather force around the
> world, causing dangerous new mutations of global anti-Semitism.
>
> The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), concerned at how such rumors continue
to
> find acceptance despite two years of intensive efforts by watchdog groups
> and democratic governments to combat them, today issued a report
coinciding
> with the second anniversary of the attacks, documenting the continuing
> spread of 9/11 conspiracy theories and the potential for this "Big Lie"
to
> rationalize and fuel global anti-Semitism.
>
> According to the League's report, Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy
> Theories, the canard of Jewish or Israeli involvement in 9/11 has gained
> widespread acceptance in the Arab and Muslim world, parts of Europe and
even
> in the United States.
>
> "The 9/11 attacks have fueled an entire new genre of anti-Semitic
conspiracy
> theories leading to an environment where rumors about Jews are finding
> acceptance in the mainstream," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National
> Director. "As we gather to commemorate the second anniversary of the
9/11
> attacks, the Big Lie shows no signs of diminishing. In fact, it is
finding
> new acceptance every day. That is not just disturbing, but tragic,
because
> we cannot win the war against terrorism without first winning over the
> hearts and minds of people in the Arab World who accept anti-Semitic 9/11
> conspiracies as fact. What's really needed is a concerted effort by
> democratic nations to reject anti-Jewish conspiracies."
>
> Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories documents how anti-
Semitic
> conspiracy theories about the attacks on the World Trade Center and the
> Pentagon spread around the world with lightening speed, ushered along
with
> the help of global electronic communications, especially the Internet and
> satellite television.
>
> According to ADL, the rumors, while finding expression in the media,
> speeches and in public statements, have also brought together a disparate
> group of Jew-haters who are using the Big Lie to fuel anti- Semitism.
>
> "Never in the history of the Jewish people has one terrible lie about
> 'Jewish control' spread so quickly and with such power, captivating not
> only those on the extreme fringe but the educated elite, particularly in
> the Muslim and Arab word," said Mr. Foxman. "The Big Lie has been
repeated
> by imams, the press and government officials in the Arab world, and is
> contributing to disturbing and dangerous mutations in global
> anti-Semitism."
>
> The League's report documents the spread of the Big Lie from the first
> whisperings of blame against Jews in the immediate aftermath of the
> attacks, to more recent manifestations and permutations. Among the ADL's
> conclusions:
>
> The Big Lie has united American far-right extremists and white
> supremacists and elements within the Arab and Muslim world that are
> exchanging and repeating information, ideas and conspiracy theories.
>
> The 9/11 conspiracy theories are essentially updated versions of
classical
> anti-Semitic canards, claming that Jews are inherently evil and intent on
> manipulating and controlling world events to their own benefit. It is
> essentially a modern manifestation of the anti- Semitic, "Protocols of the
> Elders of Zion," the infamous 19th century Russian forgery that purported
> to map out a Jewish conspiracy for world domination.
>
> September 11 conspiracies have spawned an entire industry that includes
> anti-Semitic books, pamphlets, videotapes, Web sites and speakers.
>
> 9/11 conspiracies have laid the foundation for the proliferation of
similar
> conspiracy theories about other global disasters. For example, some
> conspiracy theorists claim Israel was complicit in the destruction of
Space
> Shuttle Columbia and suggest that shuttle astronaut Col. Ilan Ramon was
> actually a "spy" for Israel. Others blame Jews and Israelis for
"pushing"
> the U.S. into war against Saddam Hussein.
>
> The accusation that Jews plotted the attacks has fueled more traditional
> canards about Jews, including those claiming that Jews have a "master
plan"
> for world domination, and that Jews use the blood of non-Jews to make
> holiday breads and pastries (blood libel).
>
> The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading
> organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that
> counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry
>
> =========
>
> Richard P. Eastman replies to the above statements of Mr. Abraham H.
Foxman:
>
>
> AHF: Two years after the horrific 9/11 attacks on America, hateful
> conspiracy theories claiming the attacks were actually carried about by
> Israelis and Jews continue to gather force around the world, causing
> dangerous new mutations of global anti-Semitism.
>
> RPE: Theories, of whatever kind, cannot, of themselves, be hateful. It
is
> the men who present theories who may or may not be motivated by a personal
> experience that also generates emotional responding often characterized
as
> hatred. But of course, if some "ax to grind" is the real motivation
behind
> the promulgation of "a theory," then it isn't a theory at all, it is a
> slander, a concocted story that is not really an honest attempt to
interpret
> events.
>
> The question then becomes, is it data-based interpretations and
explanations
> that are circulating around the world, or merely propagandistic slanders
> rather than honest attempts to reconstruct events from the known facts?
>
> I have presented evidence and conclusions that point inescapably to a
group
> of men in the Pentagon who share a Zionist intellectual orientation, an
> Israel-first foreign policy stance, and personal ties to the great
merchant
> banking families of Wall Street and London (e.g., Kissinger to the
> Rockefellers; Perle to the Rothschilds etc.), that tie them to each other,
> so that if a Boeing 757 did not crash at the Pentagon and each of them
> immediately were spreading the story that one did, that, most reasonably,
> they must have been involved in the planning of the false-flag inside-job
> mass-murder frame-up.
>
>
> AHF: The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), concerned at how such rumors
> continue to find acceptance despite two years of intensive efforts by
> watchdog groups and democratic governments to combat them, today issued a
> report coinciding with the second anniversary of the attacks, documenting
> the continuing spread of 9/11 conspiracy theories and the potential for
> this "Big Lie" to rationalize and fuel global anti-Semitism.
>
>
> RPE: There are indeed rumors about 911 and many of them doubtless
> originating and spreading through the efforts of people who are implacably
> against Jews -- if I may inject that sterotype, never having met anyone
> that I though capapble of such a harmful-to-everyone calumny.
>
> But is what "watchdog groups" done to "combat" rumors also the same thing
> that "watchdog groups" are doing to people examining only the universally
> established evidence (all available photos taken by various witnesses, all
> known accounts by on-the-scene witness, subsequent interviews with those
> witnesses, vacinity maps, engineering data on aircraft, structural reports
> by civil engineers on the damage to the building, and known properties of
> the materials involved, combined with the physics of the event -- because
> the fact is that never has any watchdog group ever undertaken to take the
> findings of this kind of researcher and answer them in a scientific way.
> Rather the "watchdogs" have lurked on the internet and then intervened
with
> the most vulgar attacks on people bringing their compiled evidence to the
> internet for discussion. How many times were honest men who had hunted
out
> the facts and made honest attempts to interpret them honestly been
subjected
> to ADL-allied "watchdogs" who attempt to crowd out the investigator with
> "freeping," with obscene name calling, misrepresentation, insincere
> pseudo-answers -- in short with "COINTELPRO" -- which is all that these
> watchdogs really know, all that they really do.
>
> In short, neither the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith nor the
> watchdogs (which may or may not be ADL supported or guided) have shown any
> concern that 911 was never investigated as a crime -- that within a few
> hours after the attack, Mr. Kissinger and Mr. Wolfowitz had solved the
case
> and, in fact, photos of the "actual hijackers" were being circulated,
> effectively tamping down public desire for an investigation. Yet, today
it
> is well known that most of the hijackers named are people still alive and
> not at all connected with the attacks.
>
> Mr. Foxman does not mention the Israelis who photographed the collapse of
> the towers, laughing and jumping with glee as they did so, men one of whom
> when later interviewed on Israeli radio stated that the group had gone to
> New York to photograph the event.
>
> Nor is there acknowledgement or interest that that 97 Israeli nationals
> were working at Dulles International, where Flight 77 originated, and at
> Reagan National, one mile from the Pentagon,where, as evidence presented
> below establishes, the Boeing 757 that overflew the Pentagon at the moment
> of the crash of the actual killer jet shortly afterwards landed at Reagan
or
> regained higher altitude disguised as a plane that had come in too short
and
> had to make another approach etc. Each of these Israelis had, illegally,
top
> security passes that gave them access to all parts of the airport,
> ticketing, security, baggage, the towers, take off and landing. And why
did
> Donald Rumsfled simply deport these people in such highly suspicious
> circumstance, given the treatment accorded to Moslems in sending them to
> Guantanamo. This is not of interest to Mr. Foxman. According to Mr.
> Foxman, everything is just rumor born of hate.
>
> But is Mr. Foxman being just in leveling this accusation at those who
have
> concluded from evidence that Zionist and Israelis were involved in 911.
>
> AHF: According to the League's report, Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11
> Conspiracy Theories, the canard of Jewish or Israeli involvement in 9/11
> has gained widespread acceptance in the Arab and Muslim world, parts of
> Europe and even in the United States.
>
> RPE: A "canard" has gained acceptance, you say. Now by calling them a
> canard you must mean that conclusions of Jewish or Israeli involvement are
> either "unfounded" or by you somehow known for certain to be untrue -- I
> assume you are not burdening your argument with merely an asserted
statement
> of your faith in what all fellow Jews are either capable or incapapble of
> doing.
>
> So first we have a "rumor" and now we have a "canard," but what about the
> people whose conclusions were entirely formed by the overwhelming body of
> hard evidence? Why, Mr. Foxman, do you not even discuss the possibility
> that someone could have merely followed the evidence to the conclusion of