Did USP and Disco get warnings about testers?

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  1. LaarsX

    LaarsX New Member

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    some of you have alluded to the fact that USP & Disco were giving 'warnings' that the testers were going to be coming and knocking on doors... they were then able to take the necessary steps to ensure that all results were negative - i just wondered where these rumours came from, is there any fact in them, or are they just simply rumours..?

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  2. Wayne666

    Wayne666 New Member

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    IIRC, at least one source of these rumors is that Manzano said that their "Fuentes" based out of Valencia (I think) was good buddies with one of the head honchos running the Spanish dope testing lab. And I believe then went onto imply that they would have been "protected" because of this relationship.
     
  3. ad9898

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    Well if its been talked about on this forum it must be true, the higher your post count the closer you are to god... all seeing and all knowing. ;)
     
  4. Crankyfeet

    Crankyfeet New Member

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    Yes... all the revelations over the past few years have indicated that the doping problem is much, much less than we ever imagined. :rolleyes:

    Such fools are we to cynically question the omerta PR statements. We should be just good little fans and accept everything we're told... that miracles are possible... and trust that almost every young pro now in Europe, or elsewhere for that matter, is not being implicitly asked to dope or fuck off out of the sport.
     
  5. whiteboytrash

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    Yes when Lance wore the yellow jersey or won a stage at the Tour de France he was warned that he would have a dope test. Each & every time he had a dope test. What a fraud ! He was tipped off !
     
  6. TheDarkLord

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    So, you admit that you're a tool?
     
  7. Bro Deal

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    Several pros have said their teams got tip offs about random testing. As DB mentioned, Manzano claimed that people associated with Postal were in the loop that was giving Kelme/Communidad Valencia warnings. We also know that Armstrong paid the UCI a large sum of money on at least one occasion; I seem to recall that in the SCA transcripts, Armstrong was evasive about how much he had given to the UCI. The UCI accepting money from those they are supposed to be testing stinks to high heaven.

    On the other hand in Mike Anderson's lawsuit against Armstrong he alleges that he helped LA avoid a random test. That would indicate that any warnings that were being received were not all encompassing. It might indicate that warnings were restricted to a certain country or region.

    It is clear that some teams and riders were getting tipped off. No Disco/Postal rider has publicly stated they were getting warning, but it is probably reasonable, given what Manzano has said, to assume that Postal/Disco was getting info that they should not have been receiving.

    There does appear to be a pattern of certain teams getting preferential treatment by the UCI. There are a lot of things that look fishy. The human brain is adept as recognizing patterns, even in data that is be random. It's easy to see something that is not really there, but personally I think that there is enough weird things that have happened to point to widescale UCI corruption. Unfortunately there is not yet a smoking gun.
     
  8. Malkmus

    Malkmus New Member

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    Hey Lance. Seems like you are getting all excited about the tour this year because you've been hanging out here plenty. Really. I know we bust your balls. But you've provided some insightful commentary about the racing in the past. Do you mind doing it this year?
     
  9. thoughtforfood

    thoughtforfood New Member

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    Cranky, silly, they have caught everyone who ever doped. The peloton is and was clean. In fact, they caught one person who just had a twin in utero and the French singled out an American and put testosterone in his urine, so the actual number is everyone who got busted -2. See, I am good in math.

    Hey Shiner Bock, how about doing the world a favor and let someone deserving have the spotlight. You need to just fade away. Oh, and never run for office, because you will find that in politics, you aren't protected.
     
  10. limerickman

    limerickman Moderator

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    If I recall correctly, when the 6 non-negative results for Armstrong from the 1999 TDF were exposed in 2005, among the many statements issued by Armstrong, one gem stated that he had undergone numerous tests without prior notice.
    The impression being that Armstrong was tested all year round and various locations and various times during the period 1999-2005.


    Subsequently, it was disclosed that Armstrong had in fact only undergone a half dozen tests per year ; the majority of which were conducted during the TDF.
    The UCI did put it's hand up to say that out of competition testing was never part of their remit.
    WADA stated that it had tried to conduct out of competition testing on many cyclists but found that many riders/teams failed to provide notice of their location - so that out of competition testing was not functioning as it should.

    The point about doping is that most doping programmes revolve around training, not racing.
    The benefits of doping is that it allows a rider to train harder, for longer.
    The authorities need to detect doping when these riders are out of competition.
     
  11. TheDarkLord

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    Hey, that's a GREAT idea! We should encourage Lance to get into politics. Once he is in, he will be exposed in record short time by his political opponents. He'll be spending all this time trying to defend his Tour wins. :D
     
  12. Wayne666

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    If we've learned nothing else in the last few years, we now know how ineffective the OOC controls were. They were infrequent at best, and easily avoided with little or no repercussions. Knowing the right person, in the right lab or testing agency, would further reduce the risk of someone getting caught with their pants down on one of the rare occassions someone on a team was going to be tested.

    Even with the effort to close the many loopholes and increased frequency of testing, lets not forget that without an off-hand remark by Cassani, Rasmussen would have likely still have been successfully gaming the system last year and won the Tour as a result.
     
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