Did Vino Know?

juani said:

Quoted message said:

It doesn't matter if they knew or not,
the result would've been the same.

trg said:

I don't think so. Gerolsteiner could have made sure he didn't get any
daylight. The pack would have been all over him well before the line.

Several Gerolsteiner riders covered him at the bonus sprint and he still
got some daylight on them (which was quite a feat considering the weather).

juani said:

Quoted message said:

It doesn't matter if they knew or not,
the result would've been the same.

trg said:

I don't think so. Gerolsteiner could have made sure he didn't get any
daylight. The pack would have been all over him well before the line.

Several Gerolsteiner riders covered him at the bonus sprint and he still
got some daylight on them (which was quite a feat considering the weather).

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Quoted message said:

juani said:

Quoted message said:

It doesn't matter if they knew or not,
the result would've been the same.

trg said:

I don't think so. Gerolsteiner could have made sure he didn't get any
daylight. The pack would have been all over him well before the line.

Several Gerolsteiner riders covered him at the bonus sprint and he still
got some daylight on them (which was quite a feat considering the
weather).

No doubt about it, Vino was impressive yestersday, but different dynamics
were in play for the 1st sprint and the stage win. As long as Levi came in
right after Vino at the first bonus, it didn't matter, he still had his
fifth. But I think that when he made his move at 3 k to go, if Gerolsteiner
had covered it, the sprinters teams would have been pulled along too. The
pack has enough confidence to let one or two guys get up the road a bit at 2
or 3k But not a whole team including a couple of good sprinters like
Wrolich and Forster.

And while Vino's feat was impressive yesterday, he had help. Credit Agricole
shut down the chase in order to protect Hushovd's jersey and Lotto bungled
the leadout.

"Donald Munro" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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Quoted message said:

juani said:

Quoted message said:

It doesn't matter if they knew or not,
the result would've been the same.

trg said:

I don't think so. Gerolsteiner could have made sure he didn't get any
daylight. The pack would have been all over him well before the line.

Several Gerolsteiner riders covered him at the bonus sprint and he still
got some daylight on them (which was quite a feat considering the
weather).

No doubt about it, Vino was impressive yestersday, but different dynamics
were in play for the 1st sprint and the stage win. As long as Levi came in
right after Vino at the first bonus, it didn't matter, he still had his
fifth. But I think that when he made his move at 3 k to go, if Gerolsteiner
had covered it, the sprinters teams would have been pulled along too. The
pack has enough confidence to let one or two guys get up the road a bit at 2
or 3k But not a whole team including a couple of good sprinters like
Wrolich and Forster.

And while Vino's feat was impressive yesterday, he had help. Credit Agricole
shut down the chase in order to protect Hushovd's jersey and Lotto bungled
the leadout.

"Donald Munro" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

juani said:

Quoted message said:

It doesn't matter if they knew or not,
the result would've been the same.

trg said:

I don't think so. Gerolsteiner could have made sure he didn't get any
daylight. The pack would have been all over him well before the line.

Several Gerolsteiner riders covered him at the bonus sprint and he still
got some daylight on them (which was quite a feat considering the
weather).

No doubt about it, Vino was impressive yestersday, but different dynamics
were in play for the 1st sprint and the stage win. As long as Levi came in
right after Vino at the first bonus, it didn't matter, he still had his
fifth. But I think that when he made his move at 3 k to go, if Gerolsteiner
had covered it, the sprinters teams would have been pulled along too. The
pack has enough confidence to let one or two guys get up the road a bit at 2
or 3k But not a whole team including a couple of good sprinters like
Wrolich and Forster.

And while Vino's feat was impressive yesterday, he had help. Credit Agricole
shut down the chase in order to protect Hushovd's jersey and Lotto bungled
the leadout.

"Donald Munro" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

juani said:

Quoted message said:

It doesn't matter if they knew or not,
the result would've been the same.

trg said:

I don't think so. Gerolsteiner could have made sure he didn't get any
daylight. The pack would have been all over him well before the line.

Several Gerolsteiner riders covered him at the bonus sprint and he still
got some daylight on them (which was quite a feat considering the
weather).

No doubt about it, Vino was impressive yestersday, but different dynamics
were in play for the 1st sprint and the stage win. As long as Levi came in
right after Vino at the first bonus, it didn't matter, he still had his
fifth. But I think that when he made his move at 3 k to go, if Gerolsteiner
had covered it, the sprinters teams would have been pulled along too. The
pack has enough confidence to let one or two guys get up the road a bit at 2
or 3k But not a whole team including a couple of good sprinters like
Wrolich and Forster.

And while Vino's feat was impressive yesterday, he had help. Credit Agricole
shut down the chase in order to protect Hushovd's jersey and Lotto bungled
the leadout.

"Donald Munro" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

juani said:

Quoted message said:

It doesn't matter if they knew or not,
the result would've been the same.

trg said:

I don't think so. Gerolsteiner could have made sure he didn't get any
daylight. The pack would have been all over him well before the line.

Several Gerolsteiner riders covered him at the bonus sprint and he still
got some daylight on them (which was quite a feat considering the
weather).

No doubt about it, Vino was impressive yestersday, but different dynamics
were in play for the 1st sprint and the stage win. As long as Levi came in
right after Vino at the first bonus, it didn't matter, he still had his
fifth. But I think that when he made his move at 3 k to go, if Gerolsteiner
had covered it, the sprinters teams would have been pulled along too. The
pack has enough confidence to let one or two guys get up the road a bit at 2
or 3k But not a whole team including a couple of good sprinters like
Wrolich and Forster.

And while Vino's feat was impressive yesterday, he had help. Credit Agricole
shut down the chase in order to protect Hushovd's jersey and Lotto bungled
the leadout.

Quoted message said:

Did Vino know he would get the bonus for the stage win, or did he just
go out and take the stage anyway? I don't know how anyone can knock
this guy! (Except the sprinters, of course.)

He was a lot more interested in the stage win than fifth on GC.

Jeff

Quoted message said:

Did Vino know he would get the bonus for the stage win, or did he just
go out and take the stage anyway? I don't know how anyone can knock
this guy! (Except the sprinters, of course.)

He was a lot more interested in the stage win than fifth on GC.

Jeff

Quoted message said:

Did Vino know he would get the bonus for the stage win, or did he just
go out and take the stage anyway? I don't know how anyone can knock
this guy! (Except the sprinters, of course.)

He was a lot more interested in the stage win than fifth on GC.

Jeff

Quoted message said:

Did Vino know he would get the bonus for the stage win, or did he just
go out and take the stage anyway? I don't know how anyone can knock
this guy! (Except the sprinters, of course.)

He was a lot more interested in the stage win than fifth on GC.

Jeff

Quoted message said:

Did Vino know he would get the bonus for the stage win, or did he just
go out and take the stage anyway? I don't know how anyone can knock
this guy! (Except the sprinters, of course.)

He was a lot more interested in the stage win than fifth on GC.

Jeff

Quoted message said:

Did Vino know he would get the bonus for the stage win, or did he just
go out and take the stage anyway? I don't know how anyone can knock
this guy! (Except the sprinters, of course.)

He was a lot more interested in the stage win than fifth on GC.

Jeff

Jeff said:

He was a lot more interested in the stage win than fifth on GC.

Granted, what if they had not canceled the time bonus sprints?

My guess is that Vino would have gone for the 2nd bonus sprint and not
succeeded. It's hard to believe Gerolsteiner would drop the ball twice
in a row. Then Vino would not have had the punch necessary to win.
Vino would not have expected to win the final sprint and his best
chances would have been to focus on moving up in GC.

Similarly, if Levi had known the finish line bonus was still available,
his teammates would not have been protecting him. They would have been
shadowing and flicking Vino.

Instead, everything fell into place for Vino and Levi lost his little
bit of luck. After losing a couple of TTs this year by a second or so,
I thought that he would finally get a break. No doubt Vino was better
today, but the officials bungled the finish IMHO.

Jeff said:

He was a lot more interested in the stage win than fifth on GC.

Granted, what if they had not canceled the time bonus sprints?

My guess is that Vino would have gone for the 2nd bonus sprint and not
succeeded. It's hard to believe Gerolsteiner would drop the ball twice
in a row. Then Vino would not have had the punch necessary to win.
Vino would not have expected to win the final sprint and his best
chances would have been to focus on moving up in GC.

Similarly, if Levi had known the finish line bonus was still available,
his teammates would not have been protecting him. They would have been
shadowing and flicking Vino.

Instead, everything fell into place for Vino and Levi lost his little
bit of luck. After losing a couple of TTs this year by a second or so,
I thought that he would finally get a break. No doubt Vino was better
today, but the officials bungled the finish IMHO.

Jeff said:

He was a lot more interested in the stage win than fifth on GC.

Granted, what if they had not canceled the time bonus sprints?

My guess is that Vino would have gone for the 2nd bonus sprint and not
succeeded. It's hard to believe Gerolsteiner would drop the ball twice
in a row. Then Vino would not have had the punch necessary to win.
Vino would not have expected to win the final sprint and his best
chances would have been to focus on moving up in GC.

Similarly, if Levi had known the finish line bonus was still available,
his teammates would not have been protecting him. They would have been
shadowing and flicking Vino.

Instead, everything fell into place for Vino and Levi lost his little
bit of luck. After losing a couple of TTs this year by a second or so,
I thought that he would finally get a break. No doubt Vino was better
today, but the officials bungled the finish IMHO.

Jeff said:

He was a lot more interested in the stage win than fifth on GC.

Granted, what if they had not canceled the time bonus sprints?

My guess is that Vino would have gone for the 2nd bonus sprint and not
succeeded. It's hard to believe Gerolsteiner would drop the ball twice
in a row. Then Vino would not have had the punch necessary to win.
Vino would not have expected to win the final sprint and his best
chances would have been to focus on moving up in GC.

Similarly, if Levi had known the finish line bonus was still available,
his teammates would not have been protecting him. They would have been
shadowing and flicking Vino.

Instead, everything fell into place for Vino and Levi lost his little
bit of luck. After losing a couple of TTs this year by a second or so,
I thought that he would finally get a break. No doubt Vino was better
today, but the officials bungled the finish IMHO.

Jeff said:

He was a lot more interested in the stage win than fifth on GC.

Granted, what if they had not canceled the time bonus sprints?

My guess is that Vino would have gone for the 2nd bonus sprint and not
succeeded. It's hard to believe Gerolsteiner would drop the ball twice
in a row. Then Vino would not have had the punch necessary to win.
Vino would not have expected to win the final sprint and his best
chances would have been to focus on moving up in GC.

Similarly, if Levi had known the finish line bonus was still available,
his teammates would not have been protecting him. They would have been
shadowing and flicking Vino.

Instead, everything fell into place for Vino and Levi lost his little
bit of luck. After losing a couple of TTs this year by a second or so,
I thought that he would finally get a break. No doubt Vino was better
today, but the officials bungled the finish IMHO.

Jeff said:

He was a lot more interested in the stage win than fifth on GC.

Granted, what if they had not canceled the time bonus sprints?

My guess is that Vino would have gone for the 2nd bonus sprint and not
succeeded. It's hard to believe Gerolsteiner would drop the ball twice
in a row. Then Vino would not have had the punch necessary to win.
Vino would not have expected to win the final sprint and his best
chances would have been to focus on moving up in GC.

Similarly, if Levi had known the finish line bonus was still available,
his teammates would not have been protecting him. They would have been
shadowing and flicking Vino.

Instead, everything fell into place for Vino and Levi lost his little
bit of luck. After losing a couple of TTs this year by a second or so,
I thought that he would finally get a break. No doubt Vino was better
today, but the officials bungled the finish IMHO.

Levi WAS racing for fifth. It was his expressed goal for the tour . If
he thought he already had been awarded fifth in the GC, wouldn't he
have taken his laps like Discovery, and not try to slow Vino? And
Vino, knowing this, would take advantage. Being Vino.

Pete