diets and running/fat newbie question



In article <[email protected]>, Emily Jane Bronte wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:28:53 +0000 (UTC), Donovan Rebbechi
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I'm just going to tell you to shove it.
>
> You don't like our anaesthetist from Ayr, do you? I'd
> noted a certain snippiness in your posts to young Timmy
> before. Now it appears the lacy gloves are off and it's
> handbags at dawn for the pair of you.
>
> I think you should settle this spat on the basis of a 15
> mile run - one in Ayr and one in NYC - timed and verified
> by a fellow rec.runner. The fastest is the good guy, the
> slowest the ******. Simple as that.

I'm glad you've restored an element of humour to a
discussion that was becoming less than pleasent.

I will be running a chip-timed half marathon this weekend on
Sunday (the "Colon Cancer Half Marathon on the NYRR
website). I don't know whether or not Crazy Global will be
there. I think this proposal is awfully unfair (to Timmy).

But this talk of challenges is interesting. One question
that's interesting is, how long can a speedy old British
twit hold off the angry young Aussie ? I figure the twit is
in the lead, but the mad Kangeroo is making leaps and
bounds ...

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
 
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:14:25 +0000 (UTC), Donovan Rebbechi
<[email protected]> wrote:

>But this talk of challenges is interesting. One question
>that's interesting is, how long can a speedy old British
>twit hold off the angry young Aussie ? I figure the twit is
>in the lead, but the mad Kangeroo is making leaps and
>bounds ...

That's a neat metaphor for our respective nations, isn't it?
Except that most observers have you Aussies leading by a
country mile.

You must forgive our curmudgeonly ways. It's hard being
on your way down, and even harder when you're being
kicked by every bugger you dissed on the way up. Still, I
guess it's deserved.

BTW, I've been a veggie for 30+ years and you wouldn't catch
me anywhere near whey. It's eeeeeeuchy.
 
"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Anyway, I'd agree that my diet isn't "normal". I don't eat
> meat, and I
have no
> plans to. I eat other protein rich foods instead, like
> whey powder. I
couldn't

LOL!.... bad day, Donovan?

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."
 
"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Sorry, could you fill me in on where the joke is ? I don't
> see anything
clever
> or ironic in there. I think you were just ridiculing my
> food choices,
which is

so,
> you hide behind the "where's your sense of humour"
> ********. Sorry, I do
take
> my food choices (especially being vegetarian) damn
> seriously, and if you
wish
> to use this as fodder for a laugh at my expense, I'm not
> going to laugh at
all,
> I'm just going to tell you to shove it.

Your choice of food intake was being made fun of and this is
the reaction?

I'm a vegetarian, about 12 years now. People poke fun at it
all the time. It happens to all of us periodically. There's
really no need to get this mad. It's clear by reading
several of your posts that you've had a bad day - we all do
- but maybe you should try to separate whatever is bothering
you from banal newsgroup friction.

- and please don't explode on me, I'm just offering a
suggestion, as one who has 'been there' and regretted
posts as well... we live and learn, and the bottom line
is that once you get used to it, it's very easy to
completely ignore negative NG behaviour that can make you
angry to begin with.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."
 
"SwStudio" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> Your choice of food intake was being made fun of and this
> is the reaction?

> I'm a vegetarian, about 12 years now. People poke fun at
> it all the time. (...)

The point of the joke was not that Donovan preferred protein
shakes to pieces of dead meat, it was that he chose a
"nutritive supplement" instead of "real food".

Whether you define "real food" as "something that you can
bite into", "something that you cannot buy in a store which
resembles a pharmacy", "something that has a taste of its
own" or "something that you can find in a good cookbook",
the joke, however weak, *was* there - and sure wasn´t
directed at vegetarians.

BTW I used to be staunch supporter of the "I´d rather eat
food" party, but this winter I´ve found myself drinking a
concoction of whey powder and milk - and I didn´t refuse an
offer to test the effects(1) of an L-carnitine supplement:)

(1) On me, mainly flatulence.

Anders
 
"Anders Lustig" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> The point of the joke was not that Donovan preferred
> protein shakes to pieces of dead meat, it was that he
> chose a "nutritive supplement" instead of "real food".
>
> Whether you define "real food" as "something that you can
> bite into", "something that you cannot buy in a store
> which resembles a pharmacy", "something that has a taste
> of its own" or "something that you can find in a good
> cookbook", the joke, however weak, *was* there - and sure
> wasn´t directed at vegetarians.

How can whey not be defined as real food?

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."
 
In article <[email protected]>, Anders Lustig wrote:
> "SwStudio" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...

> Whether you define "real food" as "something that you can
> bite into",

This rules out sugar.

> "something that you cannot buy in a store which resembles
> a pharmacy",

Also rules out sugar

> "something that has a taste of its own"

Doesn't rule out whey

> or "something that you can find in a good cookbook", the

Rules out things like high fructose corn syrup, and other
common sweeteners. Also, this says more about tradition or
common practice than anything else. You won't necessarily
find Indian food in a good Western cookbook, because cooking
Indian food isn't a common practice in the West.

I don't think it was a "joke" at all, because we already
discussed this point, where I argued that the notion of
"real food" is largely based on ignorance (ignorance about
the fact that whey concentrate is just a refined
macronutrient much like white sugar), it's not based on any
sort of principled or meaningful distinction.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
 
taking iodine or kelp is more likely to cause acne and
thyroid problems. plus, it's not as yummy.
 
I didn't say any of this, Anders Lustig did. It looks
like you are quoting me, as my name is there but nothing
I said is.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article
> <[email protected]>, Anders
Lustig wrote:
> > "SwStudio" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
>
> > Whether you define "real food" as "something that you
> > can bite into",
>
> This rules out sugar.
>
> > "something that you cannot buy in a store which
> > resembles a pharmacy",
>
> Also rules out sugar
>
> > "something that has a taste of its own"
>
> Doesn't rule out whey
>
> > or "something that you can find in a good cookbook", the
>
> Rules out things like high fructose corn syrup, and
> other common
sweeteners.
> Also, this says more about tradition or common practice
> than anything
else. You
> won't necessarily find Indian food in a good Western
> cookbook, because
cooking
> Indian food isn't a common practice in the West.
>
> I don't think it was a "joke" at all, because we already
> discussed this point, where I argued that the notion of
> "real food" is largely based on ignorance (ignorance about
> the fact that whey concentrate is just a
refined
> macronutrient much like white sugar), it's not based on
> any sort of
principled
> or meaningful distinction.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
 
I didn't say any of this, Anders Lustig did. It looks
like you are quoting me, as my name is there but nothing
I said is.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article
> <[email protected]>, Anders
Lustig wrote:
> > "SwStudio" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
>
> > Whether you define "real food" as "something that you
> > can bite into",
>
> This rules out sugar.
>
> > "something that you cannot buy in a store which
> > resembles a pharmacy",
>
> Also rules out sugar
>
> > "something that has a taste of its own"
>
> Doesn't rule out whey
>
> > or "something that you can find in a good cookbook", the
>
> Rules out things like high fructose corn syrup, and
> other common
sweeteners.
> Also, this says more about tradition or common practice
> than anything
else. You
> won't necessarily find Indian food in a good Western
> cookbook, because
cooking
> Indian food isn't a common practice in the West.
>
> I don't think it was a "joke" at all, because we already
> discussed this point, where I argued that the notion of
> "real food" is largely based on ignorance (ignorance about
> the fact that whey concentrate is just a
refined
> macronutrient much like white sugar), it's not based on
> any sort of
principled
> or meaningful distinction.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
 
"Anders Lustig" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "SwStudio" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
>
> > Your choice of food intake was being made fun of and
> > this is the reaction?
>
> > I'm a vegetarian, about 12 years now. People poke fun at
> > it all the time. (...)
>
> The point of the joke was not that Donovan preferred
> protein shakes to pieces of dead meat, it was that he
> chose a "nutritive supplement" instead of "real food".
>
> Whether you define "real food" as "something that you can
> bite into", "something that you cannot buy in a store
> which resembles a pharmacy", "something that has a taste
> of its own" or "something that you can find in a good
> cookbook", the joke, however weak, *was* there - and sure
> wasn´t directed at vegetarians.

I define "real food" the same way as the dictionary:

Material, usually of plant or animal origin, that contains
or consists of essential body nutrients, such as
carbohydrates, fats, proteins, vitamins, or minerals, and is
ingested and assimilated by an organism to produce energy,
stimulate growth, and maintain life.

... I believe a protein shake is "real food"; as much so as
an apple, a plate of lasagne, or a chocolate bar.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."
 
"Anders Lustig" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "SwStudio" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
>
> > Your choice of food intake was being made fun of and
> > this is the reaction?
>
> > I'm a vegetarian, about 12 years now. People poke fun at
> > it all the time. (...)
>
> The point of the joke was not that Donovan preferred
> protein shakes to pieces of dead meat, it was that he
> chose a "nutritive supplement" instead of "real food".
>
> Whether you define "real food" as "something that you can
> bite into", "something that you cannot buy in a store
> which resembles a pharmacy", "something that has a taste
> of its own" or "something that you can find in a good
> cookbook", the joke, however weak, *was* there - and sure
> wasn´t directed at vegetarians.

I define "real food" the same way as the dictionary:

Material, usually of plant or animal origin, that contains
or consists of essential body nutrients, such as
carbohydrates, fats, proteins, vitamins, or minerals, and is
ingested and assimilated by an organism to produce energy,
stimulate growth, and maintain life.

... I believe a protein shake is "real food"; as much so as
an apple, a plate of lasagne, or a chocolate bar.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."
 
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:

> I'm glad you've restored an element of humour to a
> discussion that was becoming less than pleasent.

I glad you mentioned that. Now let me see, who was it who
interpreted a gentle bit of leg pulling/teasing in such a
way that he felt moved to

that "normal". "?

If there is any blame to be attached to anyone for this
thread becoming "less than pleasant" I think you need to
look a little at your own reactions.

Had we been in the same room together, you would have seen
me grinning as I made this statement. It was intended as a
lightheart bit of ribbing at most. You've got enough
experience of usenet to know that irony and toungue-in-cheek
remarks don't always come across entirely as the sender
might have wished. It's why, love them or loath them, we use
emoticons.

Clearly somehow I scored a very direct hit on a very raw
nerve of yours but frankly, you can't afford to be so
sensitive about such things on usenet or in real life. I've
nothing against vegetarianism, I've even dabbled with it
myself but I like meat too much and I've no moral or ethical
objections to eating it.

To return to my original remark, I still don't consider a
protein shake as a "normal" diet ("normal" in the sense that
it's something your mother or grandmother might have set out
on the table in front of you as a child) but that's not the
point. Runners aren't normal people and if it's normal for
you, that's okay.

Tim

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Donovan Rebbechi wrote:

> I'm glad you've restored an element of humour to a
> discussion that was becoming less than pleasent.

I glad you mentioned that. Now let me see, who was it who
interpreted a gentle bit of leg pulling/teasing in such a
way that he felt moved to

that "normal". "?

If there is any blame to be attached to anyone for this
thread becoming "less than pleasant" I think you need to
look a little at your own reactions.

Had we been in the same room together, you would have seen
me grinning as I made this statement. It was intended as a
lightheart bit of ribbing at most. You've got enough
experience of usenet to know that irony and toungue-in-cheek
remarks don't always come across entirely as the sender
might have wished. It's why, love them or loath them, we use
emoticons.

Clearly somehow I scored a very direct hit on a very raw
nerve of yours but frankly, you can't afford to be so
sensitive about such things on usenet or in real life. I've
nothing against vegetarianism, I've even dabbled with it
myself but I like meat too much and I've no moral or ethical
objections to eating it.

To return to my original remark, I still don't consider a
protein shake as a "normal" diet ("normal" in the sense that
it's something your mother or grandmother might have set out
on the table in front of you as a child) but that's not the
point. Runners aren't normal people and if it's normal for
you, that's okay.

Tim

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In article <[email protected]>, Tim Downie wrote:
> Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
>> I'm glad you've restored an element of humour to a
>> discussion that was becoming less than pleasent.
>
> I glad you mentioned that. Now let me see, who was it who
> interpreted a gentle bit of leg pulling/teasing in such a
> way that he felt moved to

> that "normal". "?

Actually, I didn't mean that in a "yelling" tone, I meant it
in a "blunt and to the point" tone. I didn't start yelling
until later in the thread.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
 
In article <[email protected]>, Tim Downie wrote:
> Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
>> I'm glad you've restored an element of humour to a
>> discussion that was becoming less than pleasent.
>
> I glad you mentioned that. Now let me see, who was it who
> interpreted a gentle bit of leg pulling/teasing in such a
> way that he felt moved to

> that "normal". "?

Actually, I didn't mean that in a "yelling" tone, I meant it
in a "blunt and to the point" tone. I didn't start yelling
until later in the thread.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
 
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:48:22 -0000, "Tim Downie"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>To return to my original remark, I still don't consider a
>protein shake as a "normal" diet ("normal" in the sense
>that it's something your mother or grandmother might have
>set out on the table in front of you as a child) but that's
>not the point. Runners aren't normal people and if it's
>normal for you, that's okay.

No. Sorry. This just won't wash.

You've clearly gone out of your way to upset a valued and
esteemed member of our small community. Your petty-
mindedness in suggesting that a whey-protein shake isn't an
everyday, average, meal in the western world is too facile
to contemplate. You are in league with that Anders fellow
in attempting to destabilise the delicate balance that
exists between the meat-eaters and their lesser brethren,
the veggie-lovers.

Donny had every right to call you on this. It was clear to
us all that you were merely using this as an excuse to
ridicule his personal beliefs and to undermine the very
stability of the vegetarian community worldwide. Speaking
personally, I feel like I've been hit by an exocet below
the waterline. I may even snack on a lamb chop tonight,
such is my shock.

You are despicable. I cannot foresee any circumstances
in which you can, with honour, continue as a member of
this forum.
 
Emily Jane Bronte wrote:

> You are despicable. I cannot foresee any circumstances
> in which you can, with honour, continue as a member of
> this forum.

As you suffer from the same eating disorder as Donovan, I
forgive you your crankiness. :p

Tim

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