diets and running/fat newbie question



"Tim Downie" <[email protected]> wrote
in message
> To return to my original remark, I still don't consider a
> protein shake as
a
> "normal" diet ("normal" in the sense that it's something
> your mother or grandmother might have set out on the table
> in front of you as a child)
but
> that's not the point. Runners aren't normal people and if
> it's normal for you, that's okay.

If I may interject, I believe your point is that protein
shakes seem artificial, or processed, or unnatural to you...
that type of thing. However, I think that what your mom or
grandmother would put in front of you would have elements
every bit as processed, or "weird" as whey/soy powder. The
difference is that protein shakes are a *fairly* new item in
a mass-consumption way, compared to foods, even processed
foods, which have been around for a lot longer.

For instance, whey (which most shakes use) is simply a
separated part of milk, much like cheese curds. Do you find
yogurt "natural" and would you classify it as real food? Of
course you do, I would hazard to guess.... but most brands
add rennet to it. That's stomach lining. Or how about a bowl
of Jell-o? Certainly mom served you that a time or two.
That's gelatin and sugar. Gelatin is boiled skin, bones, and
connective tissue of animals. It's used in photo film, too.
Is that "real" food, more than a separated section of milk?

Obviously I could go on ad nauseum, but my point is that I
think the idea of getting your protein from mixing a powder
with water or milk seems newer than most foods, and maybe
will take some time to get accepted as completely normal
food, albeit in a new-ish state.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."
 
"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> In article <[email protected]>,
> SwStudio wrote:
> > I didn't say any of this, Anders Lustig did. It looks
> > like you are
quoting
> > me, as my name is there but nothing I said is.
>
> Oops, I suppose I should have removed your name from
> it. Sorry.

lol, no problem - it just confused me... okay, I admit
that's not hard to do. ;)

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."

> --
> Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
 
SwStudio wrote:

> If I may interject, I believe your point is that protein
> shakes seem artificial, or processed, or unnatural to
> you... that type of thing. However, I think that what
> your mom or grandmother would put in front of you would
> have elements every bit as processed, or "weird" as
> whey/soy powder.

Oh possibly. In fact no doubt. But as it's only my opinion
and my interpretation of what I consider to be "real" food,
it's hardly a big issue. I respect your right to scoff
whatever you like.

If I had to put my finger on just what it was that made me
want to tease Donovan, it's the use of the term "protein
shake" to describe a food item. Where's the poetry in
that? I don't sit down to a dinner of protein,
carbohydrate and fat, I eat sirloin steak, grilled
chicken, roast lamb, poached salmon, potatoes, rice,
pasta, beans, peas, carrots etc..

A "protein shake" makes me think of some desolate time in
the future when we're eating our own recycled waste and food
will be nothing more exciting than tubes of gloop labelled
"protein", "carbohydrate" and "fat".

Food should be enjoyed, nay, relished. One should delight in
the varieties of food items and the multitudinous ways of
preparing them. Whilst I'm sure Donovan *does* enjoy his
food, I dislike the imagery and implications that reducing a
foodstuff to a "protein shake" generates. Give it a more
poetic name and I'd probably glug it down happily.

Tim

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In article <[email protected]>, Tim Downie wrote:
> SwStudio wrote:

> A "protein shake" makes me think of some desolate time in
> the future when we're eating our own recycled waste and
> food will be nothing more exciting than tubes of gloop
> labelled "protein", "carbohydrate" and "fat".
>
> Food should be enjoyed, nay, relished. One should delight
> in the varieties of food items and the multitudinous ways
> of preparing them. Whilst I'm sure Donovan *does* enjoy
> his food, I dislike the imagery and implications that
> reducing a foodstuff to a "protein shake" generates. Give
> it a more poetic name and I'd probably glug it down
> happily.

If I ever make a drink for you, I'll be sure to call it a
"smoothie" (-;

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
 
In article <[email protected]>, Phil M. wrote:
> "Tim Downie" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Food should be enjoyed, nay, relished. One should delight
>> in the varieties of food items and the multitudinous ways
>> of preparing them.
>
> I actually relish my protein shake, I mean smoothie.

From now on, the word p....... s.... is officially erased
from my vocabulary. Now I'm off to drink my smoothie.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
 
Brian Wakem wrote:

>"eNo" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:Gh73c.7$I%.3@dfw-
>service2.ext.ray.com...
>
>
>>"jojo" <cgv_2000*yourhat*@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>>ok... some advice here.
>>>
>>>I am 5'-11" tall and 157 lbs.
>>>
>>>
>>And you want to lose more weight? Perhaps you should
>>consult with a doctor first.
>>
>>
>
>
>Why? I'm 2 inches taller and 10lb light than him and
>I'm healthy.
>
>

Bah: I've got you all beat. 6' 1" and 130lbs. I'm cursed
with being skinny: 5 years ago when I was living in Denver
without a car (read: lots and lots of cycling) I was a foul
and disgusting 117lbs. Three years sitting on my ****
working from home saw my weight stabilise at 155 lbs. I like
eating, and I eat a lot. So there! :p Everybody's different.

Malc
 
Doug Freese wrote:

>
>
> jojo wrote:
>
>
>> The nutritional value gained from drinking fruit
>> juice does not outweigh the overwhelming amount of
>> sugar in them.
>
>
> If you looking for restricting calories I guess this is
> place but there are lots of vitamins etc. so I might limit
> the quantity but not entirely. As we all know there are
> lots of ways to limit caloric intake.

Doesn't a glass of OJ have about half the K of banana? We
all need more K, and in my case I hate bananas... so juice
is good. Dunno exactly what this Ocean Spray is... but OJ
with lots of bits is yummy in the morning ;)

Malc
 
You know... we can debate about 'real food' till we're blue in the
face... but I think we all know what Tim meant by 'real food'. It might
be time to move on? :)

--
Nova Scotia, Canada
 
"Tim Downie" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I dislike the imagery and implications that reducing a
> foodstuff to a "protein shake" generates. Give it a more
> poetic name and I'd probably glug it down happily.

Ok... how about milkshake? Better? :)

--
Nova Scotia, Canada
 
Donovan Rebbechi <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Phil M. wrote:
>> "Tim Downie" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> Food should be enjoyed, nay, relished. One should
>>> delight in the varieties of food items and the
>>> multitudinous ways of preparing them.
>>
>> I actually relish my protein shake, I mean smoothie.
>
> From now on, the word p....... s.... is officially erased
> from my vocabulary. Now I'm off to drink my smoothie.
>
> Cheers,

A round of smoothies for everyone! Well, almost everyone.

Phil
 
"SwStudio" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> > Whether you define "real food" as "something that you
> > can bite into", "something that you cannot buy in a
> > store which resembles a pharmacy", "something that has a
> > taste of its own" or "something that you can find in a
> > good cookbook", the joke, however weak, *was* there -
> > and sure wasn´t directed at vegetarians.

> How can whey not be defined as real food?

See all of the above. Especially when purchased as an
"ultrafiltered powder", as it reads on the package from
which I scoop my cupful.

Being "nutrition" and "natural" doesn´t make it "real food",
you know - even when your definition or that of the
dictionary doesn´t agree.

And even if you don´t agree that the distinction is
meaningful, you *could* bring yourself to see that others
could see it as such (and make a quip about it).

Anders
 
Donovan Rebbechi <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> > Whether you define "real food" as "something that you
> > can bite into",
> This rules out sugar.

Should someone wish to fulfill his nutritional needs with a
scoopful of sugar dissoluted in water instead of eating or
drinking something - even flavoured sugarwed water with a
brand name - he might just as well take it intravenously:)

> > "something that you cannot buy in a store which
> > resembles a pharmacy",
> Also rules out sugar

FWIW around here neither the health stores nor the stores
where most products boast "incredible gains" stock packages
of sugar, and the way I illustrated the difference may not
be appropriate for where you
live.

> > "something that has a taste of its own" >
> Doesn't rule out whey

OK, there is a certain bland taste, which might even be
distinctive enough for someone to describe some other
tasteless product as wheylike:)

> > or "something that you can find in a good cookbook", the

> Rules out things like high fructose corn syrup, and other
> common sweeteners. Also, this says more about tradition or
> common practice than anything else. You won't necessarily
> find Indian food in a good Western cookbook, because
> cooking Indian food isn't a common practice in the West.

Not entirely unknown, either. But your use of whey has
nothing at all to do with Indian cuisine - and I wouldn´t
dare to use the whey powder I consume for any dish:)

> I don't think it was a "joke" at all, because we already
> discussed this point, where I argued that the notion of
> "real food" is largely based on ignorance (ignorance about
> the fact that whey concentrate is just a refined
> macronutrient much like white sugar), it's not based on
> any sort of principled or meaningful distinction.

The fact that you didn´t see it as a joke proved that you
are an irritable *******. The fact that you took it as a
slight or an attack at your principles or whatever pmerely
suggested that you can behave like a pompous ****, but the
fact that you still cannot accept that it was a joke proves
that you are a pompous **** at times (such as, perhaps,
before an important race).

(Please note that as a non-native speaker I invariably
downplay the potential offensiveness of the words I use.)

If you truly believed that we didn´t know what whey is or
where it comes from, I´m a bit disappointed that you, as an
obviously intelligent person, so easily allow yourself to
make remarkably silly assumptions about others.

Last but not least, the point is not whether the distinction
could withstand any deeper thought or not - the point is
whether such an distinction would or should readily offer
itself to *any* half-intelligent reader of Tim´s quip.

Last but not least, Pt II: the fact that I respond in this
manner to a thread that died a natural and merciful death
ovber the weekend proves that I, too, am a pompous ****.

But I intend to be a faster - over a HM distance - than you
this year!

Anders
 
In article <[email protected]>, Anders Lustig wrote:
> Donovan Rebbechi <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>
>
>> > Whether you define "real food" as "something that you
>> > can bite into",
>> This rules out sugar.
>
> Should someone wish to fulfill his nutritional needs
> with a scoopful of sugar dissoluted in water instead of
> eating or drinking something - even flavoured sugarwed
> water with a brand name - he might just as well take it
> intravenously:)

Please stop beating the horse --

This horse is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and
gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e
rests in peace! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory!
'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off
'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the
bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-HORSE!!

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
 
"SwStudio" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> I didn't say any of this, Anders Lustig did. It looks
> like you are quoting me, as my name is there but nothing
> I said is.

No, it doesn´t look like that. Although Donovan
inadvertently left that one line undeleted, it is plain and
obvious to anyone, quite without any need to count arrows,
who said what and who wasn´t quoted at all!

Did you, too, have a key race during the weekend?:)

Anders
 
Anders Lustig wrote:

> Being "nutritionAL" and "natural" doesn´t make it "real
> food", you know - even when your definition or that of the
> dictionary doesn´t agree.
>
> And even if you don´t agree that the distinction is
> meaningful, you *could* bring yourself to see that others
> could see it as such (and make a quip about it).

Quip? Never, but how about Jeffry Dahmer's deinition of
"real" food? The notion of canabalism almost gives me
resolve to become vegetarian considering what we feed our
cows and chickens. Do we think Elsie the contented cow was
charmed because she had eaten many of her relatives?
Rhetorical quiddity. ;)

--
Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email protected]
 
"Anders Lustig" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> No, it doesn´t look like that. Although Donovan
> inadvertently left that one line undeleted, it is plain
> and obvious to anyone, quite without any need to count
> arrows, who said what and who wasn´t quoted at all!
>
> Did you, too, have a key race during the weekend?:)

No, and I wasn't agry/upset/chagrined/pick-your-word in the
slightest! Did YOU have a key race this weekend, Anders?
Because you really missed the boat on this one.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."
 
SwStudio wrote:

> No, and I wasn't agry/upset/chagrined/pick-your-word in
> the slightest! Did YOU have a key race this weekend,
> Anders? Because you really missed the boat on this one.

Sounds like Charlie Daniels' - Devil Went Down to
Georgia. ;)

--
Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email protected]
 
Donovan Rebbechi <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> Please stop beating the horse --

It is a parrot, stupid:)

It is perfectly understandable that you couldn´t bring
yourself to read the entire post - but if you had, you´d
saved yourself the trouble of pointing out to me that a dead
horse is indeed a dead horse...

Anders
 
"SwStudio" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> No, and I wasn't agry/upset/chagrined/pick-your-word in
> the slightest!

The word I´d pick for rushing in with an entirely pointless
"correction" is "priggish".

> Did YOU have a key race this weekend, Anders?

No, but what should´ve been my key race this winter took off
last Sunday without me, and as I was reading and writing I
could listen to the rain which I fear marks the end of the
XC skiing season - without heralding the real beginning of
the running season (but, rather, a period in limbo).

> Because you really missed the boat on this one.

It´s not at all ununsual when I´m left a bit puzzled by
these idiomatic expressions: do you mean that I was wrong or
that I was right, but I shouldn´t have pointed it out?

Of course I was right: only a self-important prig could have
seen any real danger of confusion in Donovan´s post and feel
an urgent need to do something about it!

And, of course, I, too, was a self-important prig to
point this out!

(But I still don´t think I was a self-important prig when I,
quite foolishly, thought I could step in as a complete
outsider and act as a blue-helemeted mediator between one or
two pompous twats and a quite innocent jester...)

Anders
 
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