Dimension Instep Pedal Insert - Shimano SPD



Tom Sherman writes:

>>> FOR THE LOVE OF SHOZO SHIMANO, WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO USE CLIPS AND
>>> STRAPS?


>> Because "anyone" prefers shoes that don't suck, but doesn't like the
>> ease and versatility of plain pedals?


> If one is not going to get the positive foot retention by using a
> slotted cleat with clips and straps, Power Grips are a better
> alternative for use with non-cycling specific shoes. The Power Grips
> offer better retention and ease of entry and exit when combined with
> non-cycling shoes compared to clips and straps.


> If one does want positive foot retention, then "clipless" systems
> offer that without the need to physically release one's foot with a
> hand.


>>> I suggest getting some decent shoes with recessed SPD cleats.


>> Ha ha ha hahahaha *snort*, that's a good one! Decent SPD shoes!


> Well, some (e.g. J. Brandt) find their SPD shoes fine for walking
> in.


> CLIPS AND STRAPS ARE OBSOLETE FOR A GOOD REASON.


I used Christophe Speciale clips and Binda straps for years and always
had too little room over my big toe in the clips, so much so that both
toenails got stunted and ingrown from the pressure. I was only too
glad to get rid of them and the exposed cleat that made walking
awkward.

I've been wearing SPD smooth rubber soled shoes for touring and riding
to work, wearing the shoes comfortably all day.

Jobst Brandt
 
In article <[email protected]>, Andrew Price
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:20:22 -0800 (PST), [email protected] wrote:
>
> [---]
>
> >Do others find the new design to be less comfortable than the old?

>
> Definitely, at least as far as Shimano sandals are concerned (I
> haven't tried Lake sandals). I found the older two-strap Shimano
> SH-SD60 was considerably better than the current model.


I've not tried the newer Shimano sandal but my dual strap Shimanos
absolutely offer superior comfort to a pair of Lake sandals.

My chief complaints against the Lakes are: a) The sole was too thick.
And though the toe box did afford better toe protection, the sole felt
excessively mushy while walking and riding; and b), the biggest gripe:
sans socks -- as sandals should be worn! -- the Lake's straps, with
their relative lack of upper support webbing, really chafed, digging
into the flesh topside of the foot.


New Shimano Design
http://harriscyclery.net/itemdetails.cfm?ID=1218

Old dual strap Shimano Design. Scroll down for pics:
http://tinyurl.com/3yx4ya

Lake, Old Shimano sandals together:
http://tinyurl.com/2nk96n
 
>>> [email protected] aka Alan B. Stew(art?) wrote:
>>>> Anyone have any experience with this toe clip that slips into your spd
>>>> pedal?
>>>> Here it is on Performance:
>>>> http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=347&subcategory_ID=10046


>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>> FOR THE LOVE OF SHOZO SHIMANO, WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO USE CLIPS AND
>>> STRAPS?
>>> I suggest getting some decent shoes with recessed SPD cleats.


> Andrew Muzi wrote:
>> Why? Because my big roomy shoe covers are watertight and warm. Because
>> a metal cleat on the sole of one's shoe is an effective heat sink.
>> (-2F here this morning. Sounds worse as '-19C')


Tom Sherman wrote:
> Power Grips offer the same advantages, without the "Oh ****, I am about
> to fall over but can't get my foot un-snagged from the pedal even though
> the strap is loose" moments. Been there, done that, hated it, don't want
> to do it again.


Shoes with no 'features' on the bottom work just fine. Deep 3D patterned
soles are, I agree, a bad combination with toeclip pedals.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
 
On Jan 18, 5:52 pm, A Muzi <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> [email protected] aka Alan B. Stew(art?) wrote:

> > Anyone have any experience with this toe clip that slips into your spd
> >>> pedal? Here it is on Performance:
> >>>http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=347&subcategory_I....

> >  Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
> >> FOR THE LOVE OF SHOZO SHIMANO, WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO USE CLIPS AND
> >> STRAPS?

> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > Good question. ISTM that clips and straps rank well behind 1) clipless
> > pedals w/ walkable shoes (e.g., SPD and some others) 2) Powergrips
> > (great product, highly underappreciated, IMO) and 3) Platform pedals,
> > unadorned.
> > IMO, clips and straps make about as much sense as a rod-actuated FD.
> > more from Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
> >> I suggest getting some decent shoes with recessed SPD cleats.

>
> OB:
>
> > If one shops carefully, this can be done for less than $100 for the
> > package.

>
> There's a healthy amount of personal opinion in your response,


Hence the "IMO".........


> to which
> you are entitled, but that doesn't make it true or change the obvious
> utility of toeclips. Especially in cold or wet weather.



Well, IMO, Powergrips fulfill the same "obvious utility", as well, and
do a better job in the bargain. Clips only have an advantage if used
with slotted cleats. And they lose that advantage to clipless. IMO, of
course. ;-)
 
On Jan 18, 6:02 pm, A Muzi <[email protected]> wrote:
> It's Chris wrote:
> > I got one of those for commuting a long time ago. The clip was too short
> > ( I wear a size 8 1/2 and the ball of my foot was way too far back on
> > the pedal).Also I kept twisting out at stops out of habit and having the
> > thing come off my foot on the street.
> > I learned it was easier just to leave a pair of work shoes at work and
> > ride with my biking shoes.

>
> The original Winwood model had a four-position adjustment for shoe size.


I have the Winwood version (purchased in '96) with the adjustment.
They are still a bit small, even on my US 10.5 shoes.
 
On Jan 18, 6:36 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > On Jan 18, 12:48 am, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >> [email protected] aka Alan B. Stew(art?) wrote:> Anyone have any experience with this toe clip that slips into your spd
> >>> pedal?
> >>> Here it is on Performance:
> >>>http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=347&subcategory_I....
> >>> Opinions?

>
> >> FOR THE LOVE OF SHOZO SHIMANO, WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO USE CLIPS AND
> >> STRAPS?

>
> > Good question. ISTM that clips and straps rank well behind 1) clipless
> > pedals w/ walkable shoes (e.g., SPD and some others) 2) Powergrips
> > (great product, highly underappreciated, IMO) and 3) Platform pedals,
> > unadorned.

>
> > IMO, clips and straps make about as much sense as a rod-actuated FD.

>
> >> I suggest getting some decent shoes with recessed SPD cleats.

>
> > If one shops carefully, this can be done for less than $100 for the
> > package.

>
>  >
> Wow! We are in agreement. That is scary!
>


It's much scarier for me than for you, I assure you.
 
>> It's Chris wrote:
>>> I got one of those for commuting a long time ago. The clip was too short
>>> ( I wear a size 8 1/2 and the ball of my foot was way too far back on
>>> the pedal).Also I kept twisting out at stops out of habit and having the
>>> thing come off my foot on the street.
>>> I learned it was easier just to leave a pair of work shoes at work and
>>> ride with my biking shoes.


> A Muzi <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The original Winwood model had a four-position adjustment for shoe size.


Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> I have the Winwood version (purchased in '96) with the adjustment.
> They are still a bit small, even on my US 10.5 shoes.


That's right but an 8-1/2 (42?) shoe should fit, yes?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
 
On Jan 18, 9:12 pm, A Muzi <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> It's Chris wrote:
> >>> I got one of those for commuting a long time ago. The clip was too short
> >>> ( I wear a size 8 1/2 and the ball of my foot was way too far back on
> >>> the pedal).Also I kept twisting out at stops out of habit and having the
> >>> thing come off my foot on the street.
> >>> I learned it was easier just to leave a pair of work shoes at work and
> >>> ride with my biking shoes.

> >  A Muzi <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> The original Winwood model had a four-position adjustment for shoe size..

> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > I have the Winwood version (purchased in '96) with the adjustment.
> > They are still a bit small, even on my US 10.5 shoes.

>
> That's right but an 8-1/2 (42?) shoe should fit, yes?
>


I would think so, yes.
 
As the OP'er on this one, allow me to say that I appreciate all the
info and comments (except that stuff about sandals....well really,
sandals indeed), I took it all into consideration and bought Wellgo
platforms and mini-clips (strapless, reminds me of Prom night...).

As for all the scoffing, let me say that the electric guitar did not
render the accoustic obsolete. Some people like red states, some
people like blue.

ABS
"Impervious to Peer Pressure"
 
Andrew Muzi wrote:
>>>> [email protected] aka Alan B. Stew(art?) wrote:
>>>>> Anyone have any experience with this toe clip that slips into your spd
>>>>> pedal?
>>>>> Here it is on Performance:
>>>>> http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=347&subcategory_ID=10046

>
>
>>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>>> FOR THE LOVE OF SHOZO SHIMANO, WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO USE CLIPS
>>>> AND STRAPS?
>>>> I suggest getting some decent shoes with recessed SPD cleats.

>
>> Andrew Muzi wrote:
>>> Why? Because my big roomy shoe covers are watertight and warm.
>>> Because a metal cleat on the sole of one's shoe is an effective heat
>>> sink.
>>> (-2F here this morning. Sounds worse as '-19C')

>
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>> Power Grips offer the same advantages, without the "Oh ****, I am
>> about to fall over but can't get my foot un-snagged from the pedal
>> even though the strap is loose" moments. Been there, done that, hated
>> it, don't want to do it again.

>
> Shoes with no 'features' on the bottom work just fine. Deep 3D patterned
> soles are, I agree, a bad combination with toeclip pedals.
>

As are shoes with things on the uppers that could catch, such as hook
and pile straps. I suppose dress shoes/boots or cowboy boots would be
options for easy extraction footwear.

I note that my Trek ATB [1] came with clips and straps. What were they
thinking in Waterloo?

[1] Bought from Fritz and Peter.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth
 
On Jan 18, 9:47 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> As the OP'er on this one, allow me to say that I appreciate all the
> info and comments (except that stuff about sandals....well really,
> sandals indeed), I took it all into consideration and bought Wellgo
> platforms and mini-clips (strapless, reminds me of Prom night...).
>
> As for all the scoffing, let me say that the electric guitar did not
> render the accoustic obsolete.  Some people like red states, some
> people like blue.


And some people like SPD sandals. A lot.

I scoffed, too. Then the very able rider next to me said "I have a
pair of those, too. They're some of my favorites".

It's always funny to me that in the population of oddballs that "ride
bike", scoffing exists. Incl. when I do it.

Live and learn...

> "Impervious to Peer Pressure"


Peer pressure makes good bike riders. Actually, IME, peer pressure
makes the best bike riders. --D-y
 
>>>>> [email protected] aka Alan B. Stew(art?) wrote:
>>>>>> Anyone have any experience with this toe clip that slips into your
>>>>>> spd
>>>>>> pedal?
>>>>>> Here it is on Performance:
>>>>>> http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=347&subcategory_ID=10046


>>>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>>>> FOR THE LOVE OF SHOZO SHIMANO, WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO USE CLIPS
>>>>> AND STRAPS?
>>>>> I suggest getting some decent shoes with recessed SPD cleats.


>>> Andrew Muzi wrote:
>>>> Why? Because my big roomy shoe covers are watertight and warm.
>>>> Because a metal cleat on the sole of one's shoe is an effective heat
>>>> sink.
>>>> (-2F here this morning. Sounds worse as '-19C')


>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>> Power Grips offer the same advantages, without the "Oh ****, I am
>>> about to fall over but can't get my foot un-snagged from the pedal
>>> even though the strap is loose" moments. Been there, done that, hated
>>> it, don't want to do it again.


> Andrew Muzi wrote:
>> Shoes with no 'features' on the bottom work just fine. Deep 3D
>> patterned soles are, I agree, a bad combination with toeclip pedals.


Tom Sherman wrote:
> As are shoes with things on the uppers that could catch, such as hook
> and pile straps. I suppose dress shoes/boots or cowboy boots would be
> options for easy extraction footwear.
> I note that my Trek ATB [1] came with clips and straps. What were they
> thinking in Waterloo?
> [1] Bought from Fritz and Peter.


We agree. Regular leather-sole dress shoes are great with toeclips. If
the bottom of your shoe looks like a waffle iron and the top is
festooned with velcro tabs, maybe not so much.

[1.1]My good friend Peter Davis at Champaign Cycle? Cool.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
 
Andrew Muzi wrote:
>>>>>> [email protected] aka Alan B. Stew(art?) wrote:
>>>>>>> Anyone have any experience with this toe clip that slips into
>>>>>>> your spd
>>>>>>> pedal?
>>>>>>> Here it is on Performance:
>>>>>>> http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=347&subcategory_ID=10046

>
>
>>>>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>>>>> FOR THE LOVE OF SHOZO SHIMANO, WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO USE CLIPS
>>>>>> AND STRAPS?
>>>>>> I suggest getting some decent shoes with recessed SPD cleats.

>
>>>> Andrew Muzi wrote:
>>>>> Why? Because my big roomy shoe covers are watertight and warm.
>>>>> Because a metal cleat on the sole of one's shoe is an effective
>>>>> heat sink.
>>>>> (-2F here this morning. Sounds worse as '-19C')

>
>>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>>> Power Grips offer the same advantages, without the "Oh ****, I am
>>>> about to fall over but can't get my foot un-snagged from the pedal
>>>> even though the strap is loose" moments. Been there, done that,
>>>> hated it, don't want to do it again.

>
>> Andrew Muzi wrote:
>>> Shoes with no 'features' on the bottom work just fine. Deep 3D
>>> patterned soles are, I agree, a bad combination with toeclip pedals.

>
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>> As are shoes with things on the uppers that could catch, such as hook
>> and pile straps. I suppose dress shoes/boots or cowboy boots would be
>> options for easy extraction footwear.
>> I note that my Trek ATB [1] came with clips and straps. What were they
>> thinking in Waterloo?
>> [1] Bought from Fritz and Peter.

>
> We agree. Regular leather-sole dress shoes are great with toeclips. If
> the bottom of your shoe looks like a waffle iron and the top is
> festooned with velcro tabs, maybe not so much.
>

Yes, when first starting out riding an ATB, I tried using ATB shoes with
the clips and straps, which was a terrible combination. The pedals have
seen good service, with Power Grips replacing the clips and straps.

> [1.1]My good friend Peter Davis at Champaign Cycle? Cool.
>

Yep.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth
 
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:40:31 -0500, Luke <[email protected]>
wrote:

[---]

>My chief complaints against the Lakes are: a) The sole was too thick.
>And though the toe box did afford better toe protection, the sole felt
>excessively mushy while walking and riding; and b), the biggest gripe:
>sans socks -- as sandals should be worn! -- the Lake's straps, with
>their relative lack of upper support webbing, really chafed, digging
>into the flesh topside of the foot.


That's useful information, many thanks. I was thinking of buying a
new pair of sandals later this year; now I know which ones to avoid...

[---]

>Lake, Old Shimano sandals together:
>http://tinyurl.com/2nk96n


What's the one on the extreme left of the photo?
 
In article <[email protected]>, Andrew Price
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:40:31 -0500, Luke <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> [---]
>
> >My chief complaints against the Lakes are: a) The sole was too thick.
> >And though the toe box did afford better toe protection, the sole felt
> >excessively mushy while walking and riding; and b), the biggest gripe:
> >sans socks -- as sandals should be worn! -- the Lake's straps, with
> >their relative lack of upper support webbing, really chafed, digging
> >into the flesh topside of the foot.

>
> That's useful information, many thanks. I was thinking of buying a
> new pair of sandals later this year; now I know which ones to avoid...
>
> [---]
>
> >Lake, Old Shimano sandals together:
> >http://tinyurl.com/2nk96n

>
> What's the one on the extreme left of the photo?


That's Exustar's contribution to the lineup. Don't know much about the
company, other than its wares seem to be made exclusively in China, but
last year the brand was conspicuous among the bicycle accessories and
components at one of favourite sporting goods haunts. Until I viewed
the above link I hadn't realized that Exustar offered a [SPD?] cycling
sandal.

There's supposedly more here: http://www.exustar.com/
but I couldn't get the site to load.



http://tinyurl.com/yqrs9o
 
On Jan 18, 7:40 pm, Luke <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Andrew Price
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:20:22 -0800 (PST), [email protected] wrote:

>
> > [---]

>
> > >Do others find the new design to be less comfortable than the old?

>
> > Definitely, at least as far as Shimano sandals are concerned (I
> > haven't tried Lake sandals).  I found the older two-strap Shimano
> > SH-SD60 was considerably better than the current model.

>
> I've not tried the newer Shimano sandal but my dual strap Shimanos
> absolutely offer superior comfort to a pair of Lake sandals.
>
> My chief complaints against the Lakes are: a) The sole was too thick.
> And though the toe box did afford better toe protection, the sole felt
> excessively mushy while walking and riding; and b), the biggest gripe:
> sans socks -- as sandals should be worn! -- the Lake's straps, with
> their relative lack of upper support webbing, really chafed, digging
> into the flesh topside of the foot.
>
> New Shimano Designhttp://harriscyclery.net/itemdetails.cfm?ID=1218
>
> Old dual strap Shimano Design. Scroll down for pics:http://tinyurl.com/3yx4ya
>
> Lake, Old Shimano sandals together:http://tinyurl.com/2nk96n


I'll stick with my comfortable Lake sandals. Lake sandals with a
Shimano sole on them. You forgot to mention that Lake sandals have a
Shimano sole on them. Shimano two strap sandals seemed to skip my
shoe size. 43/44 size was too small, 45/46 size was too big. No
problem with the straps. But then I use socks when wearing shoes.
Lake sandals are quite comfortable for me up to 125 miles. Never
tried them on longer rides. Used them on a 9 day 700+ mile ride a
couple years ago. Worked great.
 

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