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I would if you couldn't tolerate WW and yet continued to haunt the WW

ng,

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complaining about how the program doesn't work (meaning it doesn't work
*for
you*). Which is precisely what you've done here. Notice I'm not over at
the
WW ng? Understand the difference?

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## WW also has a low carb plan by the way.... There are many low-carb
diets out there. Whatever works. Anyone saying anything negative

about

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a
diet is not attacking your deity!

[blah............ snip]

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when you say a diet doesnt work, how long does it take before you've come

to

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that conclusion?

## How long would you stick to a diet if you weren't losing any weight on
it?

if you are gaining weight, thats one thing, but just not

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losing weight --

## Didn't gain a lb on it until I went off it 25 months later. :-)

thats a lack of patience on somebodys part.

## Yes, 2 years and 1 month is not long enough to see if it'll work
again..... how about 5 years? Or 10 years? :-)

theres a

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website, lowcarbluxury.com i think ... the lady that wrote that site was

on

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induction for a YEAR with not an iota of weight loss because of a stall...

## A year with no veggies???? Roger (a real [censored]) will now go there and
leave a message for her, telling her how stupid she is and how she should
switch to cups and cups of vegetables. Why? Because he somehow sees
himself as a post-meno women with the same dietary requirements. That poor
lady....

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being older and post menopausal -- good luck. just keep with it for
crissakes.

## I am........
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
==========================================
[censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
official ASDLC guidelines.
I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@

well, i will be the first to say that i am an artist, not a doctor... i
looked into nursing, but found out quickly it wasnt a job for me. while i
do despute that as fact for a few reasons, my opinions arent based on any
sort of education.

i will say that because of stasis, medications and hormones (which all
relate back to stasis anyway), the body will continue to try to hold onto
whatever it was as long as possible. so for a time, the body will maintain
even though it is not getting enough calories. the human body is content to
never do anything, and it will definately go that route for as long as
possible until it is forced to go another route.

i do know that while i was on paxil, losing weight was very hard. when i
quit paxil, and at the time i was not on a diet, eating all that trash - i
still lost 30lbs right away. whatever my body was hording at the time,
regardless of caloric intake, got flushed.

now, if you are saying a normal, yet overweight individual is on atkins and
isnt losing weight on it, nor inches or whatever....yes now its time to look
at portion control. even in his book he says this isnt an "eat all you
want" type of thing.. far from it. even if its all meat, the body will try
to store it if its more than the body needs at one sitting. most overweight
folks also eat too many times a day. they dont seem to realize that when
the stomach is grumbling, the body isnt hungry; it just means the stomach is
empty. eventually that feeling will go away (stasis again, it wont keep
doing it because it expends energy to do so), and you wont drop dead if you
dont eat. its when you start to feel tired, maybe a bit of a headache, its
a weird thing, but the body will tell you somehow when its time... if you
use the stomach growl as an indicator, its no wonder people are overeating
constantly.

you are right, jc, but what im trying to illustrate is that its not
completely black and white in this case. hormones suck and luckily men dont
have to deal with too many. i just wonder if a caloric restriction would
work when hormones are telling the body to keep it all. insulin is a
hormone, and its the reason the body took everything we ate and stored
it...ie: we got fat. why didnt the body just burn it as fuel? was it
because we ate too much? or was it a chemical trigger that told our body to
store it? who knows?

i guess im rambling, but it is food for thought. so to answer your
question, i guess i dont despute it, but i think it wasnt the entire
picture🙂 <3 JC

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Nobody can maintain their weight if they eat too few calories.

Do you dispute that as a fact?

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well im not sure about that, if you read up on what she said, she covered
something like that. hell i dont know. at my age, i dont have to worry
about age related stalls (she was over 40 i do believe), that menopausal
thing, or even worrying about portions.. at this rate i eat 4 meals a
week ;/... le sigh. either way, the story is interesting. shes a former
nurse and has a lot of interesting things to say about it all.

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If someone stalls for a year, they are eating too much for a year.

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MFW

"tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
>> I would if you couldn't tolerate WW and yet continued to haunt the WW
>> ng,
>> complaining about how the program doesn't work (meaning it doesn't
>> work *for
>> you*). Which is precisely what you've done here. Notice I'm not over
>> at the
>> WW ng? Understand the difference?
>>
>>> ## WW also has a low carb plan by the way.... There are many
>>> low-carb
>>> diets out there. Whatever works. Anyone saying anything negative
>>> about a
>>> diet is not attacking your deity!
> [blah............ snip]
>
> when you say a diet doesnt work, how long does it take before you've
> come to that conclusion? if you are gaining weight, thats one thing,
> but just not losing weight -- thats a lack of patience on somebodys
> part. theres a website, lowcarbluxury.com i think ... the lady that
> wrote that site was on induction for a YEAR with not an iota of weight
> loss because of a stall... being older and post menopausal -- good
> luck. just keep with it for crissakes.
>

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"Laureen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Cuz she loves us???? She is LC'ing to maintain.

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** Better than some of you who've gained! ;-) Envious?

** Better than some of you who've gained! ;-D Jealous?
--
Wysong

** Better than some of you who've gained! ;-) Jealous?

Wysong, in a post just 1 thread above this one, you wrote,

"....Some of the people here seem to suffer from personality problems I
suspect are tied into their past history of obesity and feelings of
rejection and self hate. A few here who did get the weight off seem to
feel *superior* to others who failed, gained or are stuck on a permanent
plateau. >> They assume the GOD role for themselves, looking down on
others...."

and in this thread you're doing the same thing, by looking down on folks
that have gained? i'm not quite sure i understand your logic or thought
process... arent you doing the same thing? 🙁

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** Better than some of you who've gained! ;-) Envious?

** Better than some of you who've gained! ;-D Jealous?
--
Wysong

Yes, you are rambling.

It's actually very simple. Nobody came out of a concentration camp still
fat, male or female. Do you believe it's coincidence that none of them had
these so-called "hormone" problems?

--

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"tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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well, i will be the first to say that i am an artist, not a doctor... i
looked into nursing, but found out quickly it wasnt a job for me. while i
do despute that as fact for a few reasons, my opinions arent based on any
sort of education.

i will say that because of stasis, medications and hormones (which all
relate back to stasis anyway), the body will continue to try to hold onto
whatever it was as long as possible. so for a time, the body will
maintain even though it is not getting enough calories. the human body is
content to never do anything, and it will definately go that route for as
long as possible until it is forced to go another route.

i do know that while i was on paxil, losing weight was very hard. when i
quit paxil, and at the time i was not on a diet, eating all that trash - i
still lost 30lbs right away. whatever my body was hording at the time,
regardless of caloric intake, got flushed.

now, if you are saying a normal, yet overweight individual is on atkins
and isnt losing weight on it, nor inches or whatever....yes now its time
to look at portion control. even in his book he says this isnt an "eat
all you want" type of thing.. far from it. even if its all meat, the body
will try to store it if its more than the body needs at one sitting. most
overweight folks also eat too many times a day. they dont seem to realize
that when the stomach is grumbling, the body isnt hungry; it just means
the stomach is empty. eventually that feeling will go away (stasis again,
it wont keep doing it because it expends energy to do so), and you wont
drop dead if you dont eat. its when you start to feel tired, maybe a bit
of a headache, its a weird thing, but the body will tell you somehow when
its time... if you use the stomach growl as an indicator, its no wonder
people are overeating constantly.

you are right, jc, but what im trying to illustrate is that its not
completely black and white in this case. hormones suck and luckily men
dont have to deal with too many. i just wonder if a caloric restriction
would work when hormones are telling the body to keep it all. insulin is a
hormone, and its the reason the body took everything we ate and stored
it...ie: we got fat. why didnt the body just burn it as fuel? was it
because we ate too much? or was it a chemical trigger that told our body
to store it? who knows?

i guess im rambling, but it is food for thought. so to answer your
question, i guess i dont despute it, but i think it wasnt the entire
picture🙂 <3 JC

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"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Nobody can maintain their weight if they eat too few calories.

Do you dispute that as a fact?

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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well im not sure about that, if you read up on what she said, she
covered something like that. hell i dont know. at my age, i dont have
to worry about age related stalls (she was over 40 i do believe), that
menopausal thing, or even worrying about portions.. at this rate i eat 4
meals a week ;/... le sigh. either way, the story is interesting. shes
a former nurse and has a lot of interesting things to say about it all.

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"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> If someone stalls for a year, they are eating too much for a year.
>
> --
> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. --
> MFW
>
>
> "tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>>
>>> I would if you couldn't tolerate WW and yet continued to haunt the WW
>>> ng,
>>> complaining about how the program doesn't work (meaning it doesn't
>>> work *for
>>> you*). Which is precisely what you've done here. Notice I'm not over
>>> at the
>>> WW ng? Understand the difference?
>>>
>>>> ## WW also has a low carb plan by the way.... There are many
>>>> low-carb
>>>> diets out there. Whatever works. Anyone saying anything negative
>>>> about a
>>>> diet is not attacking your deity!
>> [blah............ snip]
>>
>> when you say a diet doesnt work, how long does it take before you've
>> come to that conclusion? if you are gaining weight, thats one thing,
>> but just not losing weight -- thats a lack of patience on somebodys
>> part. theres a website, lowcarbluxury.com i think ... the lady that
>> wrote that site was on induction for a YEAR with not an iota of weight
>> loss because of a stall... being older and post menopausal -- good
>> luck. just keep with it for crissakes.
>>
>
>

Takes one to know one.

In news:[email hidden],
tia <[email hidden]> stated
|
| Wysong, in a post just 1 thread above this one, you wrote,
|
| "....Some of the people here seem to suffer from personality problems
| I suspect are tied into their past history of obesity and feelings of
| rejection and self hate. A few here who did get the weight off seem
| to feel *superior* to others who failed, gained or are stuck on a
| permanent plateau. >> They assume the GOD role for themselves,
| looking down on others...."
|
| and in this thread you're doing the same thing, by looking down on
| folks that have gained? i'm not quite sure i understand your logic
| or thought process... arent you doing the same thing? 🙁
|
|
|
|
| --
| _____________________________
| This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY!
|
||
|| ** Better than some of you who've gained! ;-) Envious?
||
||
|| ** Better than some of you who've gained! ;-D Jealous?
|| --
|| Wysong

Now this is an example of exactly why you are so annoying and draw so many
adverse comments! You constantly misstate the Atkins program. Induction is
NOT NOT NOT no veggies.

In news:[email hidden],
Wysong *~ <P@P> stated
|
| theres a
|| website, lowcarbluxury.com i think ... the lady that wrote that site
|| was on induction for a YEAR with not an iota of weight loss because
|| of a stall...
|
| ## A year with no veggies???? Roger (a real [censored]) will now go
| there and leave a message for her, telling her how stupid she is and
| how she should switch to cups and cups of vegetables. Why? Because
| he somehow sees himself as a post-meno women with the same dietary
| requirements. That poor lady....

| --
| Wysong
| Age 60. Height 5'6"
| Starting date: 1/8/05
| 171/ 165 / 140 lb
| Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
| Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
| ==========================================
| [censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
| little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
| official ASDLC guidelines.
| I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
| ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@

Wysong *~ P@P said:

# At one time no one on this NG wanted to hear that. They took the Atkins
books for GOSPEL truth! Anyone mentioning calories was quickly told it's
not a diet and no need to count calories - that it was a WOL and blah,
blah,... now I see most posters *HERE* are actually on a LOW CALORIE almost
vegetarian diet. That was NOT the case 2 years ago. There were endless
posts about meat dinners and salad, salad and meat, meat and..... when it
switched to veggies I was gone by then.

Rubbish! I've been in this group since the day it was created, and
ASD for a substantial period before that. You preferred to ignore
people like Carmen, Nina, and myself who suggested you track calories,
preferring to listen to newbies telling you you weren't eating enough,
or to cut out this or that food, interspersed with small bursts of
starvation dieting recommended by nobody.

168/125/125
8 years: LC since 2/18/97 maintaining since 3/17/99
--
jamie ([email hidden])

"There's a seeker born every minute."

You spout such nonsense. I don't see Atkins as my saviour. I am not
strictly doing Atkins, when I started I read DANDR and Protein Power and
decided to base my eating on the principles of controlling carbs that they
enunciated. It has resulted in my losing a little over 60 pounds without
starving myself or doing any exercise, that seems pretty positive to me.
Even if I never lose another pound, I will continue to eat this way as it
makes me feel better and is not at all difficult.

I just believe it is very wrong to distort what anyone says the way you
distort it. Here's a relevant section from DANDR, page 90:

"A Message to My Friends the Die-Hard Carnivores

"Of course, there are lots of people who start Atkins more than a little
pleased with the fact that I certainly won't discourage them from eating
meat, fish and fowl. I'm a carnivore, too. But I'm also an
omnivore--meaning I eat anything that's healthy.

"I know there are some people who simply don't like vegetables. Or, at
least they don't like the ones they've eaten so far. The funny thing is
that a lot of folks who do Atkins eventually find vegetables they can love.
Perhaps it's because many people who follow the program end up trying many
recipes and dishes they have never eaten before. They are making all sorts
of healthy changes in their eating habits, and, in that context, sampling
new foods doesn't seem particularly revolutionaryl. If you've always been a
grudging consumer of vegetables, I hope you'll become a vegetable-eating
convert."

Sounds to me like he is pushing a "balanced" diet with plenty of veggies.

In news:[email hidden],
Wysong *~ <P@P> stated
| I am annoying because I tell you all the TRUTH! A truth you don't
| want to hear because you see this diet and Atkins as some type of
| savior! Your personal savior (from your obesity and overeating) -
| and when the plan doesn't work you get as upset as trying to tell a
| Southern Baptist there is no God - hence they can't be saved! The
| TRUTH is Atkins, after one year has no more success than any other
| diet out there. The success-failure rate is the same. The ONLY
| difference is those on LC initially lose faster. By the end of a
| year the loss is the same across the board. These are the things
| that irritate you people! TRUTHS! --
| Wysong
| Age 60. Height 5'6"
| Starting date: 1/8/05
| 171/ 165 / 140 lb
| Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
| Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
| ==========================================
| [censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
| little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
| official ASDLC guidelines.
| I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
| ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@

Wysong *~ said:

I am annoying because I tell you all the TRUTH! A truth you don't want to
hear because you see this diet and Atkins as some type of savior! Your
personal savior (from your obesity and overeating) - and when the plan
doesn't work you get as upset as trying to tell a Southern Baptist there is
no God - hence they can't be saved!

Um, take the religious [censored] somewhere else, please. It isn't relevant.

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The TRUTH is Atkins, after one year has no more success than any other
diet out there. The success-failure rate is the same. The ONLY
difference is those on LC initially lose faster.

Not to me. The difference to me is that I'm 100% successful at
maintaining a diet with intake < output using a low-carb approach, where I
was 100% unsuccessful at doing so using a low-fat approach. That's it.
It means that, for ME, low-carb is a better tool. For those who are
successful at maintaining a diet with intake < output using low-fat, they
should use that approach.

Statistics aren't meaningful when applied to individual data points.

Quoted message said:

By the end of a year the loss is the same across the board.

Not for me. I never sustained any other WOE for long enough to show on a
year-to-year basis. Everything looks flat from a high enough perspective.

Quoted message said:

These are the things that irritate you people! TRUTHS! -- Wysong

No. Stupidity, obtuseness, and lying irritate me. Please stop them.

KeS

The point is that there is a way to lose weight with no doubt. A person
should just be thankful that they don't have to take it as far as the
concentration camp environment to get results.

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

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"tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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i dont debate that starvation works. most folks coming out of there also
didnt have any teeth, hair or usually a life....but i dont even want to
think about that. not to mention, i doubt any of them had rx's either.
not that it matters. you and i agree just in different words i guess. i
dont know.. at the moment im too tired. it was a trying hospital day and
ill relate to you another time 🙁

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"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yes, you are rambling.

It's actually very simple. Nobody came out of a concentration camp still
fat, male or female. Do you believe it's coincidence that none of them
had these so-called "hormone" problems?

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

--
"tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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well, i will be the first to say that i am an artist, not a doctor... i
looked into nursing, but found out quickly it wasnt a job for me. while
i do despute that as fact for a few reasons, my opinions arent based on
any sort of education.

i will say that because of stasis, medications and hormones (which all
relate back to stasis anyway), the body will continue to try to hold
onto whatever it was as long as possible. so for a time, the body will
maintain even though it is not getting enough calories. the human body
is content to never do anything, and it will definately go that route
for as long as possible until it is forced to go another route.

i do know that while i was on paxil, losing weight was very hard. when
i quit paxil, and at the time i was not on a diet, eating all that
trash - i still lost 30lbs right away. whatever my body was hording at
the time, regardless of caloric intake, got flushed.

now, if you are saying a normal, yet overweight individual is on atkins
and isnt losing weight on it, nor inches or whatever....yes now its time
to look at portion control. even in his book he says this isnt an "eat
all you want" type of thing.. far from it. even if its all meat, the
body will try to store it if its more than the body needs at one
sitting. most overweight folks also eat too many times a day. they dont
seem to realize that when the stomach is grumbling, the body isnt
hungry; it just means the stomach is empty. eventually that feeling
will go away (stasis again, it wont keep doing it because it expends
energy to do so), and you wont drop dead if you dont eat. its when you
start to feel tired, maybe a bit of a headache, its a weird thing, but
the body will tell you somehow when its time... if you use the stomach
growl as an indicator, its no wonder people are overeating constantly.

you are right, jc, but what im trying to illustrate is that its not
completely black and white in this case. hormones suck and luckily men
dont have to deal with too many. i just wonder if a caloric restriction
would work when hormones are telling the body to keep it all. insulin is
a hormone, and its the reason the body took everything we ate and stored
it...ie: we got fat. why didnt the body just burn it as fuel? was it
because we ate too much? or was it a chemical trigger that told our
body to store it? who knows?

i guess im rambling, but it is food for thought. so to answer your
question, i guess i dont despute it, but i think it wasnt the entire
picture🙂 <3 JC

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"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Nobody can maintain their weight if they eat too few calories.
>
> Do you dispute that as a fact?
>
> --
> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. --
> MFW
>
>
> "tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>> well im not sure about that, if you read up on what she said, she
>> covered something like that. hell i dont know. at my age, i dont
>> have to worry about age related stalls (she was over 40 i do believe),
>> that menopausal thing, or even worrying about portions.. at this rate
>> i eat 4 meals a week ;/... le sigh. either way, the story is
>> interesting. shes a former nurse and has a lot of interesting things
>> to say about it all.
>>
>> --
>> _____________________________
>> This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY!
>>
>>
>> "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>>> If someone stalls for a year, they are eating too much for a year.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. --
>>> MFW
>>>
>>>
>>> "tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email hidden]...
>>>>
>>>>> I would if you couldn't tolerate WW and yet continued to haunt the
>>>>> WW ng,
>>>>> complaining about how the program doesn't work (meaning it doesn't
>>>>> work *for
>>>>> you*). Which is precisely what you've done here. Notice I'm not
>>>>> over at the
>>>>> WW ng? Understand the difference?
>>>>>
>>>>>> ## WW also has a low carb plan by the way.... There are many
>>>>>> low-carb
>>>>>> diets out there. Whatever works. Anyone saying anything negative
>>>>>> about a
>>>>>> diet is not attacking your deity!
>>>> [blah............ snip]
>>>>
>>>> when you say a diet doesnt work, how long does it take before you've
>>>> come to that conclusion? if you are gaining weight, thats one
>>>> thing, but just not losing weight -- thats a lack of patience on
>>>> somebodys part. theres a website, lowcarbluxury.com i think ... the
>>>> lady that wrote that site was on induction for a YEAR with not an
>>>> iota of weight loss because of a stall... being older and post
>>>> menopausal -- good luck. just keep with it for crissakes.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

"FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You spout such nonsense. I don't see Atkins as my saviour.

$ Then a little honest criticism wouldn't get you so upset.

I am not

Quoted message said:

strictly doing Atkins, when I started I read DANDR and Protein Power and
decided to base my eating on the principles of controlling carbs that they
enunciated.

$ I have those books also.

It has resulted in my losing a little over 60 pounds without

Quoted message said:

starving myself or doing any exercise,

$ So do you expect the rest of us to have the same results? I lost 46 lbs
but I was walking 3 or 4 times a week at the time.

that seems pretty positive to me.

$ It was positive to me as well, until I hit the permanent stall/plateau.

Quoted message said:

Even if I never lose another pound, I will continue to eat this way as it
makes me feel better and is not at all difficult.

$ I agree as long as you can have more then just meat and loads and loads of
low-carb veggies.

Quoted message said:

I just believe it is very wrong to distort what anyone says the way you
distort it. Here's a relevant section from DANDR, page 90:

"A Message to My Friends the Die-Hard Carnivores

"Of course, there are lots of people who start Atkins more than a little
pleased with the fact that I certainly won't discourage them from eating
meat, fish and fowl. I'm a carnivore, too. But I'm also an
omnivore--meaning I eat anything that's healthy.

"I know there are some people who simply don't like vegetables.

$ I love them - as well as fruit, cheese, nuts, berries.....

Or, at

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least they don't like the ones they've eaten so far. The funny thing is
that a lot of folks who do Atkins eventually find vegetables they can

love.

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Perhaps it's because many people who follow the program end up trying many
recipes and dishes they have never eaten before. They are making all

sorts

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of healthy changes in their eating habits, and, in that context, sampling
new foods doesn't seem particularly revolutionaryl. If you've always been

a

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grudging consumer of vegetables, I hope you'll become a vegetable-eating
convert."

$ So? Do you take this to mean a small bit of meat and loads and loads of
veggies?

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Sounds to me like he is pushing a "balanced" diet with plenty of veggies.

$ It still doesn't alter the fact that in the end, no matter what diet
people followed - the results were the same at the end of a 1 year period!
The only difference was people doing the LC diet lost FASTER initially then
those on other plans.
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
==========================================
[censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
official ASDLC guidelines.
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## And when was THAT suggested? No Jaimie, it was FIRST suggested I

use

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heavy cream instead of milk (MORE CALORIES), that I give up coffee, diet
soda, nuts, cheese... on an on it went until there was nothing left to
give
up but the meat or the low carb veggies. Calories? Few people talked
about counting calories (weighing and measuring) and going LOW-CALORIE
instead of LOW-CARB, or going both low-carb-low-calorie together.

================

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let me personally take responsibility and apologize for whomever told you

to

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do that. they were wrong. does that help? the coffee has
caffeine...caffeine is a drug. yes give that up.

$$ Why? It makes no difference where losing weight is concerned. Some
people like coffee and tea.

diet soda as long as its

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carb/caffeine free is ok.

$$ Not according to a few people here. They said the fake sweetener could
stall you so I a gave up my beloved diet Pepsi.

nuts not until late in phase 2. cheese keep to

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under 4oz a day.

$$ No, they said cheese stalls some people so we stopped buying cheese.
Then they said nuts stall some people - try giving up nuts. So we stopped
buying nuts as well.... I still managed to live on meats and the low-carb
veggies, exercised 3 to 4 times a week and never lost another lb.

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is that better? i love you so much -- but i cant let you dissuade folks
because you didnt do it right or somebody lied to you.

$$ There is no way to know if the advice you get here is true or total BS!
Since I made all those sacrifices and my weight maintained - what was I to
think?

the plan works.

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ever go to atkins.com and ask the dieticians there? they have their own

mb

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i frequent too. hell even atkins university, where they teach you more
since most folks cant grasp the highly medicalese book.

$$ The books he sold are not highly medicalese that I have. I gave one
away and kept the "New Diet Revolution" one.

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## I don't recall anyone recommending a "starvation diet" until last
week -
if 1200 c. are too many cut back I was told, even with the dizziness,
coldness and heart palpitations.... less than 1200 c. for an active

adult

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women is entering a starvation diet.

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AHHHHHHHHHHH! this is not a starvation thing..DIETS ARE NOT ONLY ABOUT
EATING LESS. you HAVE to exercize...

## How many times do I have to repeat that I'm not only doing all the house
and yard work but I now walk 6 days a week - from 1.5 to 3 miles? Maybe I
need to add this to my sigfile? :-)

never once have i see you say a damn

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thing about getting out and running a mile! can you?

## Can most 60 year old women with a bad knee run a mile? I can walk about
3 miles at 3 to 3.2 MPH.

my poor mother -- one

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of the other reasons i got off my 315lb ass in the beginning -- can walk 3
miles a day at age 62!

## How many times do I have to repeat that I'm not only doing all the house
and yard work but I now walk 6 days a week - from 1.5 to 3 miles? :-)

she has arthritis, she's post menopausal and shes

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even on antidepressants! she still lost like 5lbs in induction and shes
continuing to feel great and lose weight.

## So did I for the first 5 months, up to 2 1/2 lbs a week.

she was a ww addict for those

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stupid yenta meetings and she still quit because atkins feels a million
times better-- it works -- AND its FREE.

$$ Yes, it worked for 5 months.

nobody is teaching her how to read

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a damn label and count calories... ffs... ;/

$$ Lets see how long it takes her to reach her goal weight. She also
had/has 80 lbs to lose right?
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
==========================================
[censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
official ASDLC guidelines.
I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
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$ So do you expect the rest of us to have the same results? I lost 46 lbs
but I was walking 3 or 4 times a week at the time.

finally.. finally you mention how changing your lifestyle will result in
success. you have to walk to lose weight. nobody can have the same
results... at your age, everything is going to be different! plus your HRT,
that changes everything.

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$ It was positive to me as well, until I hit the permanent stall/plateau.
\

is this where you quit walking?????

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$ I agree as long as you can have more then just meat and loads and loads
of
low-carb veggies.

omfg this again.. ok look. weight watchers starts you off with EVERYTHING..
then slowly takes things away. when youre real heavy you eat something like
30 points. then you back off to 20, etc. on atkins, as you lose weight,
your body will begin to utilize more and more carby/sugary things as fuel
instead of triggering insulin. invert the pyramid.... atkins starts you out
with basics out of the gate, then you slowly add stuff back.... eventually
you CAN eat trash and still maintain -- as long as youre constantly pulling
your body out of dreaded stasis.

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$ I love them - as well as fruit, cheese, nuts, berries.....

you can have that....................later. once your body can handle it
again

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$ So? Do you take this to mean a small bit of meat and loads and loads
of
veggies?

no... eventually you can eat fast food and candy in moderation depending on
how you react to it and how far out of stasis you are. some wont be able
to, but the point is its possible for some and its not about the goddamn
vegetables.. heh

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$ It still doesn't alter the fact that in the end, no matter what diet
people followed - the results were the same at the end of a 1 year period!

ok ...quote your source -- where on earth are you getting that trash
statistic... and if you had taken statistics in school you would know a lot
of them are indeed trash depending on the size of the sample and the source
involved.

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The only difference was people doing the LC diet lost FASTER initially
then
those on other plans.
--

i lost 14lbs in 3 weeks... initially i lost damn faster than that. you
gotta understand its about percentages. people dont lose weight faster in
the beginning at all. its just not true. they are losing at a steady
percentage rate. the body would never do anything so haphazard like that...
if you are 400lbs and you lose 10% of your body weight -- that actual number
of pounds lost will be different than if you are 200lbs and lose 10% of your
body weight.. the percentage rate is the same...........

as for the diets being equal -- one got me into emergency surgery - the
other saved my life. you CAN NOT argue the nutritional benefits from atkins
to ww. you just cant. any diet that advocates eating low fat just isnt how
god intended it to go.

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no, my moms maintaining.. shes lost as much as SHE wants to lose. shes
still heavy but she says when you lose all the weight, the wrinkles sag a
lot in the face lol... the atkins plan freaked her out tho. she is losing
weight and she doesnt want to.

if youre not losing, youre not doing enough. quit the hormones, not the
cheese and pepsi.. but honestly, i know somebody who knows what IN
pepsi....youd give it up too if you knew what was in that crud. if youre
walking 1.5 to 3 miles -- its not enough, apparently. your body is so used
to it right now, you wont lose another pound.

go ahead, restrict calories. when that levels out too, youll be back

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## And when was THAT suggested? No Jaimie, it was FIRST suggested I

use

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heavy cream instead of milk (MORE CALORIES), that I give up coffee,
diet
soda, nuts, cheese... on an on it went until there was nothing left to
give
up but the meat or the low carb veggies. Calories? Few people talked
about counting calories (weighing and measuring) and going LOW-CALORIE
instead of LOW-CARB, or going both low-carb-low-calorie together.

================

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let me personally take responsibility and apologize for whomever told you

to

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do that. they were wrong. does that help? the coffee has
caffeine...caffeine is a drug. yes give that up.

$$ Why? It makes no difference where losing weight is concerned. Some
people like coffee and tea.

diet soda as long as its

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carb/caffeine free is ok.

$$ Not according to a few people here. They said the fake sweetener could
stall you so I a gave up my beloved diet Pepsi.

nuts not until late in phase 2. cheese keep to

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under 4oz a day.

$$ No, they said cheese stalls some people so we stopped buying cheese.
Then they said nuts stall some people - try giving up nuts. So we stopped
buying nuts as well.... I still managed to live on meats and the low-carb
veggies, exercised 3 to 4 times a week and never lost another lb.

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is that better? i love you so much -- but i cant let you dissuade folks
because you didnt do it right or somebody lied to you.

$$ There is no way to know if the advice you get here is true or total BS!
Since I made all those sacrifices and my weight maintained - what was I to
think?

the plan works.

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ever go to atkins.com and ask the dieticians there? they have their own

mb

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i frequent too. hell even atkins university, where they teach you more
since most folks cant grasp the highly medicalese book.

$$ The books he sold are not highly medicalese that I have. I gave one
away and kept the "New Diet Revolution" one.

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## I don't recall anyone recommending a "starvation diet" until last
week -
if 1200 c. are too many cut back I was told, even with the dizziness,
coldness and heart palpitations.... less than 1200 c. for an active

adult

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women is entering a starvation diet.

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AHHHHHHHHHHH! this is not a starvation thing..DIETS ARE NOT ONLY ABOUT
EATING LESS. you HAVE to exercize...

## How many times do I have to repeat that I'm not only doing all the
house
and yard work but I now walk 6 days a week - from 1.5 to 3 miles? Maybe
I
need to add this to my sigfile? :-)

never once have i see you say a damn

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thing about getting out and running a mile! can you?

## Can most 60 year old women with a bad knee run a mile? I can walk
about
3 miles at 3 to 3.2 MPH.

my poor mother -- one

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of the other reasons i got off my 315lb ass in the beginning -- can walk
3
miles a day at age 62!

## How many times do I have to repeat that I'm not only doing all the
house
and yard work but I now walk 6 days a week - from 1.5 to 3 miles? :-)

she has arthritis, she's post menopausal and shes

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even on antidepressants! she still lost like 5lbs in induction and shes
continuing to feel great and lose weight.

## So did I for the first 5 months, up to 2 1/2 lbs a week.

she was a ww addict for those

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stupid yenta meetings and she still quit because atkins feels a million
times better-- it works -- AND its FREE.

$$ Yes, it worked for 5 months.

nobody is teaching her how to read

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a damn label and count calories... ffs... ;/

$$ Lets see how long it takes her to reach her goal weight. She also
had/has 80 lbs to lose right?
--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
==========================================
[censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
official ASDLC guidelines.
I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
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truth is relative, any philosophy class will tell you that. what i'm

after

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is *fact*. atkins is a savior ;p

## Good! So are all the other diets out there since everyone ends up the
same weight at the end of a year!

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besides, induction is only two weeks. i cant think of anything except

maybe

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water that you would die without for two weeks.

## I lost 9 lbs the first 2 weeks without this induction. All I had to give
up was rice, potatoes, corn, peas, beans, winter squash, bagels, macaroni
and fruit. What did you have to give up or eliminate?

i havent eaten in almost

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two weeks and it still hasnt phased me. if i was on that sugar
rollercoaster of WW, id be dying after the first day. im not even hungry
b/c im in ketosis.

## According to my keto sticks I didn't go into Ketosis and still lost those
9 lbs. :-)

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there is no failure on the atkins plan....IF YOU UNDERSTAND STASIS.

## There is no failure on any of the diet plans the designers claim, if you
understand you must EAT LESS (portion control) and EXERCISE more (get off
you're ass)! And in the end everyone loses the same amount of weight no
matter what diet they chose.

its a

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basic biology term. however, theres no point. fanatics that are

convinced

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stay that way. im just the stupid one for trying to change your mind....

## Change my mind about WHAT? Sure I can drop my calories below 1000 a day,
walk 6 miles and hire household/yard help (if someone pays them for me) and
wear the heart monitor at $250 a day. I can just ignore the dizziness, the
headaches and the heart palps.... yeah, that makes sense.... So tell me,
what did your Dr. tell you to do when the palps and headaches hit? The
dizziness? Were you allowed to drive? I live way out in the country. I
can't walk to the stores. Dropping below 1000 calories a day is not healthy
for active older people.

and

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had i figured that out sooner, it woulda saved me the hassle of typing all
this. oh well.
one question remains however....if youre not on some low carb diet, why

are

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you here?

## Isn't this the low-carb newsgroup?

is it for friends or something? im just wondering. please dont

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take my harsh tone tonight personally... my day was extremely hellish
(hospital thing) and tomorrow might be worse, im not sure. god bless
anyway.

--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
==========================================
NOW WALKING 1.5 to 3 MILES DAY.
==========================================
[censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
official ASDLC guidelines.
I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
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Wysong *~ said:

I am annoying because I tell you all the TRUTH! A truth you don't want

to

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hear because you see this diet and Atkins as some type of savior! Your
personal savior (from your obesity and overeating) - and when the plan
doesn't work you get as upset as trying to tell a Southern Baptist there

is

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no God - hence they can't be saved!

Um, take the religious [censored] somewhere else, please. It isn't relevant.

## Please take your worship of a DIET and Diet Dr. somewhere else, please.
It's offensive to some people.

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The TRUTH is Atkins, after one year has no more success than any other
diet out there. The success-failure rate is the same. The ONLY
difference is those on LC initially lose faster.

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Not to me. The difference to me is that I'm 100% successful at
maintaining a diet with intake

## Yes, to me as well, since I am also 100% successful *maintaining.* It's
LOSING after the initial 46 lbs that's the problem.

--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
==========================================
NOW WALKING 1.5 to 3 MILES DAY.
==========================================
[censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
official ASDLC guidelines.
I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@

i did get dizzy on the atkins plan. my diastolic dropped to 58 (bp was
120/58) and i had an issue of getting dizzy when i stood up. turns out, i
wasnt eating enough. when i actually got some calories in me, i was ok.
today at the hospital it was all i could do to get the goddamn nurses and
their stupid bp machine off of me and tend to my husband.

if you didnt get into ketosis, check them before bed. hell to make sure i
was doing it right i checked 20 times a day just to see where it was the
best indicator. late at night was better than the morning. if you didnt
get into ketosis at all, something isnt right. the sticks arent very
sensitive but cmon theyre sensitive to a certain
degree................although unless youre very close to goal and dont have
much fat to burn, they also might not turn. thats a bit different, my
husband knows more about that than i do. i know its possible tho.

as for not eating calories or whatever -- im telling you to eat as much as
you want. im asking you to get out and walk further. if you can walk 3
miles, another 1/4 mile wont kill your knee will it? do that for awhile and
tell me you dont lose a pound? try a half mile. all i know is, just by
adding 10 mins to my work out every couple of weeks - ive never seen a
stall, never had a problem dropping weight, no issues at all. i did have to
add back a lot more carbs to slow the weight loss down, however. i was
getting dizzy and all that cuz i was going too fast. eventually that
feeling went away. diziness is usually attributed to circulation and
bloodpressure, when its not a serious disorder. occasionally blood will
pool in your limbs and if you get up too fast, your blood pressure is
supposed to compensate by getting higher for the moment... well mine
wouldnt... it evened out, but i sure was dizzy for a bit.

im not telling you to drop down to 1000 calories or anything stupid.
anorexics in highschools are doing that and they come out with [censored] of
problems. i knew a girl whos SAT scores were higher than her caloric input
each day...she wasnt bright, that was a scary girl... anyway, go further,
move farther, extend the walk 10-20 mins or just make the walk faster. .
distance is the best indication its good youre doing it that way..

god im blabby today. luv you guys...
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"tia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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truth is relative, any philosophy class will tell you that. what i'm

after

Quoted message said:

is *fact*. atkins is a savior ;p

## Good! So are all the other diets out there since everyone ends up the
same weight at the end of a year!

Quoted message said:

besides, induction is only two weeks. i cant think of anything except

maybe

Quoted message said:

water that you would die without for two weeks.

## I lost 9 lbs the first 2 weeks without this induction. All I had to
give
up was rice, potatoes, corn, peas, beans, winter squash, bagels, macaroni
and fruit. What did you have to give up or eliminate?

i havent eaten in almost

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two weeks and it still hasnt phased me. if i was on that sugar
rollercoaster of WW, id be dying after the first day. im not even hungry
b/c im in ketosis.

## According to my keto sticks I didn't go into Ketosis and still lost
those
9 lbs. :-)

Quoted message said:

there is no failure on the atkins plan....IF YOU UNDERSTAND STASIS.

## There is no failure on any of the diet plans the designers claim, if
you
understand you must EAT LESS (portion control) and EXERCISE more (get off
you're ass)! And in the end everyone loses the same amount of weight no
matter what diet they chose.

its a

Quoted message said:

basic biology term. however, theres no point. fanatics that are

convinced

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stay that way. im just the stupid one for trying to change your mind....

## Change my mind about WHAT? Sure I can drop my calories below 1000 a
day,
walk 6 miles and hire household/yard help (if someone pays them for me)
and
wear the heart monitor at $250 a day. I can just ignore the dizziness,
the
headaches and the heart palps.... yeah, that makes sense.... So tell me,
what did your Dr. tell you to do when the palps and headaches hit? The
dizziness? Were you allowed to drive? I live way out in the country. I
can't walk to the stores. Dropping below 1000 calories a day is not
healthy
for active older people.

and

Quoted message said:

had i figured that out sooner, it woulda saved me the hassle of typing
all
this. oh well.
one question remains however....if youre not on some low carb diet, why

are

Quoted message said:

you here?

## Isn't this the low-carb newsgroup?

is it for friends or something? im just wondering. please dont

Quoted message said:

take my harsh tone tonight personally... my day was extremely hellish
(hospital thing) and tomorrow might be worse, im not sure. god bless
anyway.

--
Wysong
Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 165 / 140 lb
Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
==========================================
NOW WALKING 1.5 to 3 MILES DAY.
==========================================
[censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
official ASDLC guidelines.
I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@

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ok.. look. it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out weight loss..
its very simple.

Well, yes in one way. Nobody in a concentration camp fails to lose weight.

The trick is being able to eat far enough below your maintenance level
without lowering your mebabolism down to the new lower caloric level, or
feeling so lousy that you can't function properly in everyday life. Those
are real considerations. One of the reasons low carb is so popular is that
it seems to really help people eat significantly less without suffering a
lot of unpleasant symptoms that disrupt functioning. But... this varies for
everyone, works better for some than others.

Wysong *does* have some challenges that many here don't. She's older and
post-menopausal, has a thyroid problem she takes meds for. From the symptoms
she describes when she eats well below maintenance, I'd say she probably has
some degree of disorder in the endocrine systems that maintain blood glucose
levels, although she's said she is not diabetic. These are all things can
make weight loss more difficult. But... it can be done. Many people have
done it.

If you read her posts for a while, you'll see a lot of complaining about the
restrictions she perceives in the LC process, as well as an ineffectiveness
FOR HER - based on how she applied the principles - that she projects onto
the whole program and virtually everyone on it. I don't think this is just
ignorance, but rather some kind of weird emotional defense system. "See,
everybody... it wasn't *my* fault..."

You'll also start to notice that she usually doesn't respond to credible
suggestions with anything but "yeah, but..." She's been told many times she
should build muscle, which means serious resistance exercise. I see no
evidence she tried that. She would probably benefit from better management
of her thyroid functions, and I suggested she look into Diana Schwarzbein...
no response. And back when she was here before and plateaued, many people
put forth their pet theories about "stallers"... types of foods that can
cause a person to stall, such as dairy, artificial sweeteners, etc. You're
supposed to try those *one at a time* for a month or more, and see if
eliminating a certain type of food enhances or restarts weight loss. If so,
you permanently eliminate it from your diet. If not, you resume eating it
and go on to an experiment with another "staller", eliminating it for a
month to see the effect. Etc. Instead, apparently she just eliminated
everything anyone mentioned, all in one fell swoop, and ended up eating
practically nothing except meat and a few veggies. She didn't follow
directions. I personally think she just likes to complain.

HG

In news:[email hidden],
Wysong *~ <P@P> stated
|
| $$ There is no way to know if the advice you get here is true or
| total BS! Since I made all those sacrifices and my weight maintained
| - what was I to think?
|
The advice you get here is not true or false. It is not statements of fact.
It is suggestions of possibilities. You try them, one at a time, if they
don't work you try a different one. No one says this WILL work, they say
this MAY work. Your body, your experiment.

In news:[email hidden],
Wysong *~ <P@P> stated

|
| ## Yes, to me as well, since I am also 100% successful *maintaining.*
| It's LOSING after the initial 46 lbs that's the problem.

Maybe your body is just happiest at 165. That really isn't very much
overweight and your body may think it is not at all overweight. Charts are
just charts.

|
| --
| Wysong
| Age 60. Height 5'6"
| Starting date: 1/8/05
| 171/ 165 / 140 lb
| Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
| Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
| ==========================================
| NOW WALKING 1.5 to 3 MILES DAY.
| ==========================================
| [censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
| little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
| official ASDLC guidelines.
| I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
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