Discovery disbands

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  1. Tim Lamkin

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    Guy kind of looks weird......like a face out of Batman. :eek:
     


  2. limerickman

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    Touche - you got me there!

    I went in to that link you posted
    Damn you :)

    Now the USPS/DC secret police will have my ISP address....aaaaaaaahhhhhhh
     
  3. Tim Lamkin

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    Why don't you use a floating IP..... :)
     
  4. stevebaby

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    All that money and he can't afford to go to a dentist.
     
  5. stevebaby

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    ...and put it on Youtube... :D
     
  6. Serafino

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    Tailwind discusses end of Team Discovery Channel


    By Mark Zalewski, North American Editor

    The cycling world was changed Friday as the management company for the Discovery Channel team, Tailwind Sports, announced it would not be continuing its search for a new title sponsor for the 2008 season. Speculation ran wild as to the reasons behind the decision - doping, money, both? Later in the day the management assembled the key players behind the decision for an ad hoc press conference call to give the rationale behind the decision - including Tailwind principles Bill Stapleton and Bart Knaggs, as well as Discovery boss Johan Bruyneel and a rare appearance by Lance Armstrong, who is part owner of the team.

    The obvious first questions were why, and why now, having just won the Tour de France for the eighth time in nine years? Bill Stapleton led the responses for the group in this area, placing the blame on other teams and the general environment within cycling, not with the company. "We made a determination in our own minds," he said. "We can control what goes on in our own team but we can't control what goes on in the sport and with other teams. We couldn't in good conscious make a recommendation to a company to spend the sort of money that would be required to sponsor the team, in the current environment."

    "There are all kinds of issues in the sport, doping and others," said Stapleton. "It's not an environment conducive to a lot of investment."

    "We are not comfortable managing and running a team right now."


    An obvious follow-up to that statement was the recent announcement by T-Mobile saying they are continuing with their sponsorship, in light of the recent controversies. "We are not trying to send any message to other sponsors - we wish everyone the best," said Stapleton. "We had to make an individual decision and we reached a different conclusion than other people. Maybe those other people are European-based or have different reasons for being in the sport."

    Armstrong also commented on this. "It's not a statement," he said. "We are not trying to slap T-Mobile for their additions to programmes and plans, or anybody else."


    Stapleton went on to say that doping was not the only problem that came up when talking to potential sponsors. "Obviously the doping scandals plague, there has been an issue this year with the teams. We have experiences the rise and fall of AIGCP, and there is not a cohesive ownership and leadership group right now."

    We are walking away

    Stapleton and Armstrong both commented that this decision was not for a lack of a sponsor, but that it was a stand alone decision in the best interests of a sponsor. "End of the day, it is a great marketing investment, when you look at the metrics and hospitality, you can present to a sponsor," said Stapleton. "We went in to the market at a time when almost every day there was new news regarding doping and admissions or disputes within the sport, and those became an issue in the talks."

    "I think we had a firm commitment for three years," said Armstrong. "Based on my impression I think we were 90% there. We are walking away from that today. We are not comfortable managing and running a team right now. Johan is retiring on top of that, and I am going to go and focus on my foundation, so we are not your guys right now."

    "I would add the moment it crystalized was when we were at the Tour," said Armstrong, focusing on his well known disagreements with the organiser of the Tour de France. "Taking aside from all the politics and polyemics, the disagreements between ASO and UCI, with the ASO talking about perhaps taking it back to national teams. If something like that were to happen... . If you get a company to invest and then all of a sudden the ASO decides that it should go back to national teams, their investment goes to zero. Issues like that up in the air it is too risky to ask people for that kind of money."


    "I see that on a daily basis with the foundation," Armstrong continued. "Same thing goes here, we have to make sure we are a good steward of the money."


    Jumping ship or leaving gracefully?

    There were still questions as well as a sense of Tailwind leaving a sinking ship, instead of staying in the sport in an effort to help rebuild its image. "We are not being cute here and saying there aren't a whole host of problems," said Armstrong in response. "Perhaps there is someone out there to come in and solve the problems and own the sport - that might not be a bad thing for cycling."

    "The organisers, the governing bodies, the rider, the teams, the press, the fans - all of these things are at war, and we need some semblance of organisation," Armstrong continued. "I don't want to minimise doping, but take it out of the equation. All of the other stuff going on is troublesome for sure. I disagree with ASO in the sense that they don't allow Pat McQuaid to come to the Tour de France. He runs the UCI - you have to have a certain level of respect for everyone in the game. That has been put on hold, but we have to get back a level of trust with all of the interested parties."


    Returning to doping specifically, Armstrong said that he is out of answers as to what more cycling can do. "No other professional sport can be compared to cycling when it comes to the efforts and strides that are being made... no other professional American or European sport, if you walked in as a commissioner and said you are going to use the rules that cycling uses, those athletes would never play another down, another inning or another match. I have to take my hats off to the UCI and to everyone who has tried to implement the controls. As we see now, the controls work."

    "What else can cycling do, is the question? I know there are critics like Mr. Pound and the list goes on, but outside of having someone live with Dick Pound, I don't know what else anyone can do!"


    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2007/discovery_closesdoors07
     
  7. Doctor.House

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    Empty denial becomes him.

    Lying is oxygen to Armstrong. Cow blood cells on RSR-13.



     
  8. Serafino

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    They have a point about the state of cycling. No new lead sponsor will enter the sport given the circus that is the ASO, UCI, WADA and (lastly) doping. The sport is run by imbeciles.
     
  9. Cobblestones

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    Wasn't it Jaksche who said that Disco doesn't even try to look clean?
     
  10. Doctor.House

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    I disagree. Pharmstrong, Nike, Tailwind ran the TDF media show for seven years. They lead the tour in doping cover up and look at how it ended.

    USPO/Discovery wrecked the Tour by pushing the envelope.

    Now they run away to wreck the mortgage back securities marketplace.

    LIVE WRONG was the perfect slogan.


     
  11. Cobblestones

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    I think you have an excellent point here. You'd think the team who has won the major event 8 times during the last 10 years would be the one which had the most clout when it comes to right a broken system from the inside. Instead, it's one of the teams who is responsible for the mess in the first place. And before you start to cry 'but no USPS/Disco rider was ever tested positive', ask yourself: can you really imagine a renewal of cycling under the leadership of Disco or tailwind+new sponsor? Seriously? Which other teams would follow? Can you think of a single one?

    ETA: I'm actually quite unhappy that Discovery stops funding cycling. Lost (US) sponsor money means less chance of increased cycling TV coverage in the US. But I think tailwind is to blame. If they at least had tried to appear clean as T-Mobile or CSC I think some sponsor would have come forward. Of course that would've meant to get rid of Bruyneel, AC and the whole doping connection. Now they have to leave/retire anyway.
     
  12. JohnO

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    T-Mobile ran an organized doping program in the 90's, their star was caught blood doping last year, and Sinkewitz nailed this year during out of competition. CSC? Their star was blood doping last year, and they are still being run by Mr 60%. That was the most un-secret secret for years, yet he was given a free ride by the doping accusers.

    There's your team leadership in the fight against doping. They found Jesus this year, so everything is all right. With DC gone, you can put your head back in the sand.

    And DC didn't run the show, they just played in it. The show was and is being run by two organizations: the UCI and ASO. And I use the term 'organization' very loosely. There. Don't you feel better now?
     
  13. fscyclist

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    Must be the CEO of BP, not Exxon.
     
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    ROTFLMAO. Classic. :D
     
  15. jsull14

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    Good post.
     
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  17. wolfix

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    The action of Tailwind to pull out of professional cycling makes a lot of sense. Cycling right now is a lousy investment. With the instability of the UCI and the ASO, cycling teams do not know what to expect. The actions of the Tour of Germany not allowing Contador to race based on information that has not been released shows me that the UCI has lost control of cycling. In cycling right now, we have no one in control.
    The Tour of Germany should not be allowed to have the backing of the UCI. The UCI should have stepped up and demanded that Contador be allowed to race until further proof of the allegations are released. This is just one incident of many of the total collapse of cycling. The riders and teams are being abused by the cycling organizations.There is no consistency in the "war on doping."

    Jimmy Buffet wrote one of my favorite songs called " Gypsies in the Palace." It reminds me of cycling at this moment.

     
  18. NJK

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    We have won eight tours, a vuelta and a giro without having a pos test. Not many teams can say that. Blah Blah Yawn Yawn. I suppose Armstrong will say they he only drank bottled mineral water throughout his tour wins. 10 major tour wins in an age of systematic doping with no pos tests. I suggest Lance should take a look at Savoldelli hct levels it sort of suggests doping believe it or not. Mind you at disco they were all clean and had natural hct levels of 40-42 all the way through the tour. And don't forget the big one, Lance trained on christmas day and new years day, that is why he won the tour 7 times. No other pro cyclists would dream of that.:eek:
     
  19. Tim Lamkin

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    ...and a lousy business....hopefully T-Mobile and CSC will be caught again with the many dopers they have and pull out of sponsorship…that should open the flood gate for ALL to leave this gutted sport, and then the healing and starting over can begin.
     
  20. jhuskey

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    Yes but can't spell. It's RUINED not RUN.
     
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