Discuss!! Question #1

Fred Fredburger said:

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

If you can think of a way to rephrase things in such a way that a
"good" answer provides a way to raise taxes, then you'll get all the
nonsense you're hoping for.

Have you surrendered your Libertarian principals in favor of "Cut taxes,
Increase Spending!" Republican pragmatism?

Your former emphasis on the size and intrusiveness of government has
gone recently, along with your complaints about government spending. So
it sounds like you're falling into line. I know Rush Limbaugh will, but
I'm surprised that you beat him to it.

There would be a tangential irony if I asked you to explain your
misunderstandings in an understandable way.

On 4/20/08 8:01 AM, in article
[email hidden], "Bob Schwartz"

Quoted message said:

ST said:

Have you ever been accused of taking steroids?

Not everyone that has man-[censored] is taking steroids.
I guess some people don't know that.

Bob Schwartz

I do not have man-[censored]. I do weights but rarely do bench press as I lift at
home when I have time. Quit acting like you know exactly what I am thinking
when I type something then acting like a stupid idiot and cannot read and
understand simple English in the question. Pretty hypocritical and actually
a stupid act.

On 4/20/08 1:50 PM, in article
[email hidden], "SLAVE of

THE STATE said:

ST said:

OK......... I am going out on a limb here with one of my deep-thought
philosophical questions..

If Gays are BORN that way, no chance of changing desires or thought patterns
regarding relationship preferences then WHY does (mostly from the same left
-leaning group that agrees with the above statement) the liberal-leaning
crowd ALSO disagree with complete incarceration of, what we call, pedophiles
and related perpetrators instead calling for, at great cost, treatment with
psycho therapists and doctors and allowing these (our legal term) pedophiles
2nd and 3rd chances at out innocent citizens/children??

What is worse than going from a sometimes 50/50 chance of actually being
right predicting weather on the TV news to actually predicting Global
Warming caused by man and we are gonna all die in 50 years??

How about.......... Being elitist enough to know what behaviors are
INGRAINED and a genetic predisposition for then knowing exactly what
behaviors, regarding sexual preference,  that can be CURED and deserve
multiple chances by the same elite group?

Are you smartasses that smart enough to know where the line is?? And IF some
of you are gonna come back and say "It is all good UNLESS someone is
hurt/injured/violated!" I am still going to want to know where is the line,
regarding ANY sexual preference, between being born that way versus
individual decision? (free will)

If you can think of a way to rephrase things in such a way that a
"good" answer provides a way to raise taxes, then you'll get all the
nonsense you're hoping for.

That is the first response at all that makes since. It is a pretty simple
question. Either they are all genetic or they are not.. Is there a line of
demarcation?? None of these assbags got the balls at all to address any part
of the question, not to mention are not at all, or will ever be, omniscient
enough to ever now.

On 4/20/08 3:38 PM, in article
[email hidden], "SLAVE of

THE STATE said:

Fred Fredburger said:

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

If you can think of a way to rephrase things in such a way that a
"good" answer provides a way to raise taxes, then you'll get all the
nonsense you're hoping for.

Have you surrendered your Libertarian principals in favor of "Cut taxes,
Increase Spending!" Republican pragmatism?

Your former emphasis on the size and intrusiveness of government has
gone recently, along with your complaints about government spending. So
it sounds like you're falling into line. I know Rush Limbaugh will, but
I'm surprised that you beat him to it.

There would be a tangential irony if I asked you to explain your
misunderstandings in an understandable way.

It is called spin........
They cannot understand my questions and cannot understand your response.

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

Fred Fredburger said:

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

If you can think of a way to rephrase things in such a way that a
"good" answer provides a way to raise taxes, then you'll get all the
nonsense you're hoping for.

Have you surrendered your Libertarian principals in favor of "Cut taxes,
Increase Spending!" Republican pragmatism?

Your former emphasis on the size and intrusiveness of government has
gone recently, along with your complaints about government spending. So
it sounds like you're falling into line. I know Rush Limbaugh will, but
I'm surprised that you beat him to it.

There would be a tangential irony if I asked you to explain your
misunderstandings in an understandable way.

You used to complain about the size of the Federal Government. Lately it
seems that your problem has changed to one of tax increases and cuts.

Why the change?

ST said:

It is called spin........
They cannot understand my questions and cannot understand your response.

Self flattery is the most sincere.

ST said:

OK......... I am going out on a limb here with one of my deep-thought
philosophical questions..

If Gays are BORN that way, no chance of changing desires or thought patterns
regarding relationship preferences then WHY does (mostly from the same left
-leaning group that agrees with the above statement) the liberal-leaning
crowd ALSO disagree with complete incarceration of, what we call, pedophiles
and related perpetrators instead calling for, at great cost, treatment with
psycho therapists and doctors and allowing these (our legal term) pedophiles
2nd and 3rd chances at out innocent citizens/children??

What is worse than going from a sometimes 50/50 chance of actually being
right predicting weather on the TV news to actually predicting Global
Warming caused by man and we are gonna all die in 50 years??

How about.......... Being elitist enough to know what behaviors are
INGRAINED and a genetic predisposition for then knowing exactly what
behaviors, regarding sexual preference,  that can be CURED and deserve
multiple chances by the same elite group?

Are you smartasses that smart enough to know where the line is?? And IF some
of you are gonna come back and say "It is all good UNLESS someone is
hurt/injured/violated!" I am still going to want to know where is the line,
regarding ANY sexual preference, between being born that way versus
individual decision? (free will)

Steverino,

I'll be serious for a moment.
There's a whole lot of inflammatory stuff in your post,
which is why no one is taking you seriously, apart from
the fact that it's OT.
(For example, jumping straight from talking about gays to
talking about pedophiles, I think you are trying to
compare innateness of sexual desire, but this comparison
has such a long bad history that you can't expect to make
it and have people treat it as a dispassionate argument.)

There's two issues here, one is that we (society) have ideas
about right and wrong and hope that we can teach most people
to tell the difference. The second is separating desire from
_acting_ on that desire. Most people who aren't freaked out
by OMG GAY QUEERS! don't feel that we need to teach
young impressionable people that it's wrong to be gay
anymore.

We do still condemn pedophilia, and you may be right that
many adult pedophiles are incurable in the sense that we
can't change their desires. I think people who advise treating
them where possible instead of locking them all up hope to
change them enough not to _act_ on their desires. To make
another comparison, men think about sex all the time, but
most of them don't _act_ on it all the time. Well, except
wanking, but that doesn't count.

Sincerely,
Mr. Garrison

ST said:

That is the first response at all that makes since. It is a pretty simple
question. Either they are all genetic or they are not..

....or some gradation in between. Grownups see things in shades of gray.

In article said:

OK......... I am going out on a limb here with one of my deep-thought
philosophical questions..

If Gays are BORN that way, no chance of changing desires or thought patterns
regarding relationship preferences then WHY does (mostly from the same left
-leaning group that agrees with the above statement) the liberal-leaning
crowd ALSO disagree with complete incarceration of, what we call, pedophiles
and related perpetrators instead calling for, at great cost, treatment with
psycho therapists and doctors and allowing these (our legal term) pedophiles
2nd and 3rd chances at out innocent citizens/children??

What is worse than going from a sometimes 50/50 chance of actually being
right predicting weather on the TV news to actually predicting Global
Warming caused by man and we are gonna all die in 50 years??

How about.......... Being elitist enough to know what behaviors are
INGRAINED and a genetic predisposition for then knowing exactly what
behaviors, regarding sexual preference, that can be CURED and deserve
multiple chances by the same elite group?

Are you smartasses that smart enough to know where the line is?? And IF some
of you are gonna come back and say "It is all good UNLESS someone is
hurt/injured/violated!" I am still going to want to know where is the line,
regarding ANY sexual preference, between being born that way versus
individual decision? (free will)

As has been pointed out to you several times, this (and the other DISCUS!!!! post)
is a logical fallacy. I'll expand a bit on Ben's answer. You're trying to compare two
very different things like they are the same. A pedophile is involved in a
*non-consensual* relationship with someone that will cause that person harm. A
homosexual relationship between adults is *consensensual* and will cause no more harm
to either party (or society) than an adult heterosexual relationship. I think the
consent part is the key.

Ben's right about it being important to teach pedophiles that acting on their
impulses/desires is bad. Obviously it doesn't always work, which is also the case for
any crime you can think of. Some people don't learn or can't overcome their impulses.
You for instance. You often post asshattery like this and get the same results (which
are never good for you). You "have [us] on the ropes" - dude, you aren't even in the
same city as the building with the ring. And Ronaldo J is right, your punctuation
style makes it easy to cap on you. Really easy.

Oh, by the way: more often than not, death penalty oponents don't drop that when
they're victimized.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

ST said:

Quoted message said:

It is called spin........
They cannot understand my questions and cannot understand your response.

Fred Fredburger said:

Self flattery is the most sincere.

I thought it was self abuse.

On 4/20/08 9:17 PM, in article
[email hidden],

Quoted post said:

ST said:

OK......... I am going out on a limb here with one of my deep-thought
philosophical questions..

If Gays are BORN that way, no chance of changing desires or thought patterns
regarding relationship preferences then WHY does (mostly from the same left
-leaning group that agrees with the above statement) the liberal-leaning
crowd ALSO disagree with complete incarceration of, what we call, pedophiles
and related perpetrators instead calling for, at great cost, treatment with
psycho therapists and doctors and allowing these (our legal term) pedophiles
2nd and 3rd chances at out innocent citizens/children??

What is worse than going from a sometimes 50/50 chance of actually being
right predicting weather on the TV news to actually predicting Global
Warming caused by man and we are gonna all die in 50 years??

How about.......... Being elitist enough to know what behaviors are
INGRAINED and a genetic predisposition for then knowing exactly what
behaviors, regarding sexual preference,  that can be CURED and deserve
multiple chances by the same elite group?

Are you smartasses that smart enough to know where the line is?? And IF some
of you are gonna come back and say "It is all good UNLESS someone is
hurt/injured/violated!" I am still going to want to know where is the line,
regarding ANY sexual preference, between being born that way versus
individual decision? (free will)

Steverino,

I'll be serious for a moment.
There's a whole lot of inflammatory stuff in your post,
which is why no one is taking you seriously, apart from
the fact that it's OT.
(For example, jumping straight from talking about gays to
talking about pedophiles, I think you are trying to
compare innateness of sexual desire, but this comparison
has such a long bad history that you can't expect to make
it and have people treat it as a dispassionate argument.)

There's two issues here, one is that we (society) have ideas
about right and wrong and hope that we can teach most people
to tell the difference. The second is separating desire from
_acting_ on that desire. Most people who aren't freaked out
by OMG GAY QUEERS! don't feel that we need to teach
young impressionable people that it's wrong to be gay
anymore.

We do still condemn pedophilia, and you may be right that
many adult pedophiles are incurable in the sense that we
can't change their desires. I think people who advise treating
them where possible instead of locking them all up hope to
change them enough not to _act_ on their desires. To make
another comparison, men think about sex all the time, but
most of them don't _act_ on it all the time. Well, except
wanking, but that doesn't count.

Sincerely,
Mr. Garrison

At least you made an effort. OT? Inflammatory? I se it all the time here and
it does not stop you guys from voicing an opinion OR flaming the poster..

On 4/20/08 11:46 PM, in article
[email hidden], "Howard Kveck"

Quoted message said:

In article said:

OK......... I am going out on a limb here with one of my deep-thought
philosophical questions..

If Gays are BORN that way, no chance of changing desires or thought patterns
regarding relationship preferences then WHY does (mostly from the same left
-leaning group that agrees with the above statement) the liberal-leaning
crowd ALSO disagree with complete incarceration of, what we call, pedophiles
and related perpetrators instead calling for, at great cost, treatment with
psycho therapists and doctors and allowing these (our legal term) pedophiles
2nd and 3rd chances at out innocent citizens/children??

What is worse than going from a sometimes 50/50 chance of actually being
right predicting weather on the TV news to actually predicting Global
Warming caused by man and we are gonna all die in 50 years??

How about.......... Being elitist enough to know what behaviors are
INGRAINED and a genetic predisposition for then knowing exactly what
behaviors, regarding sexual preference, that can be CURED and deserve
multiple chances by the same elite group?

Are you smartasses that smart enough to know where the line is?? And IF some
of you are gonna come back and say "It is all good UNLESS someone is
hurt/injured/violated!" I am still going to want to know where is the line,
regarding ANY sexual preference, between being born that way versus
individual decision? (free will)

As has been pointed out to you several times, this (and the other
DISCUS!!!! post)
is a logical fallacy. I'll expand a bit on Ben's answer. You're trying to
compare two
very different things like they are the same. A pedophile is involved in a
*non-consensual* relationship with someone that will cause that person harm. A
homosexual relationship between adults is *consensensual* and will cause no
more harm
to either party (or society) than an adult heterosexual relationship. I think
the
consent part is the key.

Ben's right about it being important to teach pedophiles that acting on
their
impulses/desires is bad. Obviously it doesn't always work, which is also the
case for
any crime you can think of. Some people don't learn or can't overcome their
impulses.
You for instance. You often post asshattery like this and get the same results
(which
are never good for you). You "have [us] on the ropes" - dude, you aren't even
in the
same city as the building with the ring. And Ronaldo J is right, your
punctuation
style makes it easy to cap on you. Really easy.

Oh, by the way: more often than not, death penalty oponents don't drop that
when
they're victimized.

You guys are picking the easy answer. Consensual versus not. There are
relationships WE, as humans (even just Americans) consider perverted even
though they agree as partners. I am not asking for an expanation of how we
deal with the situation to make it work.

Where is the line between a born pre-disposition and and an inert
uncontrolled desire? When does it, supposedly go from genetic and
uncontrollable to free will?

Donald Munro said:

ST said:

Quoted message said:

It is called spin........
They cannot understand my questions and cannot understand your response.

Fred Fredburger said:

Self flattery is the most sincere.

I thought it was self abuse.

OK, have it your way:

Self abuse is the most sincere.

Works that way too.

On Apr 21, 7:17 am, ST <[email hidden]> wrote:
When does it, supposedly go from genetic and

Quoted message said:

uncontrollable to free will?

Stevie -

What makes you sure there is such a thing as free will?

-rj

P.S. Here is an interesting article:

http://tinyurl.com/2zw2g4

P.P.S. I guarantee every dumbass on r.b.r. will examine the length of
their fingers after alook at that article.

Fred Fredburger said:

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

Fred Fredburger said:

SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> If you can think of a way to rephrase things in such a way that a
> "good" answer provides a way to raise taxes, then you'll get all the
> nonsense you're hoping for.
Have you surrendered your Libertarian principals in favor of "Cut taxes,
Increase Spending!" Republican pragmatism?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Your former emphasis on the size and intrusiveness of government has
gone recently, along with your complaints about government spending. So
it sounds like you're falling into line. I know Rush Limbaugh will, but
I'm surprised that you beat him to it.

Quoted message said:

There would be a tangential irony if I asked you to explain your
misunderstandings in an understandable way.

You used to complain about the size of the Federal Government. Lately it
seems that your problem has changed to one of tax increases and cuts.

Why the change?

The federal [national] guvmint is way too gd big.

"It's the spending, stupid." -- BF, 1759

Happy now?

Paul G. said:

I'm leaning toward the theory of Lynne being the source of the lesbianism
in the Cheney household. But that begs the question- why would an
ultra-conservative like [censored] Cheney marry a woman with lesbian leanings
who produces lesbian offspring? Isn't a guy marrying a manly woman kind
of gay? Or am I going out on a limb here with one of my deep-thought
philosophical questions.. ? -Paul

It was a shotgun wedding.

On Apr 21, 9:40 am, ronaldo_jeremiah <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Apr 21, 7:17 am, ST <[email hidden]> wrote:
When does it, supposedly go from genetic and

Quoted message said:

uncontrollable to free will?

Stevie -

What makes you sure there is such a thing as free will?

Dumbass,

I've never gotten any one in rbr to bite on that one.

Good luck.

Fred Fredburger said:

Self abuse is the most sincere.

But it might become illegal
<http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/purity/index.asp>

ronaldo_jeremiah said:

Quoted message said:

What makes you sure there is such a thing as free will?

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

I've never gotten any one in rbr to bite on that one.

We need to develop more free won't to stop us responding to bots.

Anyway its time for my daily EPR dose.

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

On Apr 21, 9:40 am, ronaldo_jeremiah <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Apr 21, 7:17 am, ST <[email hidden]> wrote:
When does it, supposedly go from genetic and

Quoted message said:

uncontrollable to free will?

Stevie -

What makes you sure there is such a thing as free will?

Dumbass,

I've never gotten any one in rbr to bite on that one.

Good luck.

Consider the fish.