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george conklin wrote:
> "bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Amy Blankenship wrote:
>>> "bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Tim McNamara wrote:
>>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>> bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim McNamara wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>>>> "george conklin" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Small farms would condemn about 75% of the current world's
>>>>>>>>>> population to death. That is not a solution except for death.
>>>>>>>>> I don't know if the 75% is correct but the basic idea is sound.
>>>>>>> No, it's not. Where do you think 75% (actually more) of the world's
>>>>>>> population gets its food now? From small farms. Large scale
>>>>>>> agribusiness farming is the purview of economically developed
>>>>>>> countries which feeds a fraction of the world's population regularly,
>>>>>>> and which does provide emergency capacity when food production fails
>>>>>>> in ecologically difficult areas due to drought, flooding, fires, etc.
>>>>>>> In the latter case, large scale farming does save lives. However,
>>>>>>> 75% of the world's population is not all going to suffer such
>>>>>>> catastrophes at once.
>>>>>> 75% of the world's population is surplus anyway. I just read where the
>>>>>> United States is going to top 300 million around October 15. Compared
>>>>>> to the country (this one) I grew up in that is about 150 million too
>>>>>> many. We are paving over everything, quite literally. I went to visit
>>>>>> the houses I grew up in, back in Illinois and all the corn fields I
>>>>>> grew up playing in are now built over with housing or "Condo-fields".
>>>>>> If we keep replacing corn with people we are going to be in deeper
>>>>>> **** than we are now. Rolling the global population to about 1 billion
>>>>>> (max) and keeping it there with some no growth thinking is about the
>>>>>> only way the human race will be here in another 200 years. I think we
>>>>>> are setting ourselves up far a mass plague or starvation that is going
>>>>>> to thin out the population. We just plain doesn't need so many people.
>>>>> I suspect that there are points of agreement that we could find, but
>>>>> there are also points of disagreement. For example, your claim that
>>>>> 75% of the population is "surplus." Of course, that gives you a 4:1
>>>>> chance of being one of the surplus ones. ;-) I agree that there is
>>>>> overpopulation not only in America but around the world as well. I
>>>>> cannot bring myself to call anyone "surplus," however. They have every
>>>>> bit as much right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as I
>>>>> have.
>>>> My actual solution was to ship food to them that had fertility
>>>> impairment hormones in it or mandate a vasectomy or tube tie in order to
>>>> qualify if people already had 2 or more children. Nobody gets hurt, but
>>>> nobody gets to have 10 kids they can't feed, either.
>>> I think you're operating under two fundamental misconceptions:
>>>
>>> 1) That civilizations never reach a point where population stops
>>> increasing
>>> 2) That children never feed their parents
>>>
>>> If you look at the most developed nations, population growth through
>>> reproduction is in the near-zero to negative range, depending on which
>>> country you're talking about. This implies that as more and more nations
>>> become industrialized, population will level off or even decline. The
>>> reason we have such extreme population growth now is that we have better
>>> education, health care, food production, and food distribution. So
>>> mortality is down.
>> Way off base for the US.
>
> You are very ignorant. No native-born group reproduces itself in the USA.
> Immigration causes population growth here, but they are only meeting a
> demand for labor that a insufficient birth rate from native-born groups
> fails to provide.
>
>
Hah,
I do have 2 cents to add to this one. I went into a Taco Bell not too
long ago and couldn't order what I wanted without a whole lot of sign
language. It seems they were so busy hiring Mexicans who didn't speak
English they forgot to hire one to take the orders from the main
clientèle, which just happened to be whiteys, like me. Some people got
frustrated and walked out but I hung in there and got my 2 Green bean
burritos, the only thing I ever order there. It felt like forever trying
to get them to understand even something that simple.
Yeah, we really need them.
Bill Baka
> "bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Amy Blankenship wrote:
>>> "bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Tim McNamara wrote:
>>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>> bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim McNamara wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>>>> "george conklin" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Small farms would condemn about 75% of the current world's
>>>>>>>>>> population to death. That is not a solution except for death.
>>>>>>>>> I don't know if the 75% is correct but the basic idea is sound.
>>>>>>> No, it's not. Where do you think 75% (actually more) of the world's
>>>>>>> population gets its food now? From small farms. Large scale
>>>>>>> agribusiness farming is the purview of economically developed
>>>>>>> countries which feeds a fraction of the world's population regularly,
>>>>>>> and which does provide emergency capacity when food production fails
>>>>>>> in ecologically difficult areas due to drought, flooding, fires, etc.
>>>>>>> In the latter case, large scale farming does save lives. However,
>>>>>>> 75% of the world's population is not all going to suffer such
>>>>>>> catastrophes at once.
>>>>>> 75% of the world's population is surplus anyway. I just read where the
>>>>>> United States is going to top 300 million around October 15. Compared
>>>>>> to the country (this one) I grew up in that is about 150 million too
>>>>>> many. We are paving over everything, quite literally. I went to visit
>>>>>> the houses I grew up in, back in Illinois and all the corn fields I
>>>>>> grew up playing in are now built over with housing or "Condo-fields".
>>>>>> If we keep replacing corn with people we are going to be in deeper
>>>>>> **** than we are now. Rolling the global population to about 1 billion
>>>>>> (max) and keeping it there with some no growth thinking is about the
>>>>>> only way the human race will be here in another 200 years. I think we
>>>>>> are setting ourselves up far a mass plague or starvation that is going
>>>>>> to thin out the population. We just plain doesn't need so many people.
>>>>> I suspect that there are points of agreement that we could find, but
>>>>> there are also points of disagreement. For example, your claim that
>>>>> 75% of the population is "surplus." Of course, that gives you a 4:1
>>>>> chance of being one of the surplus ones. ;-) I agree that there is
>>>>> overpopulation not only in America but around the world as well. I
>>>>> cannot bring myself to call anyone "surplus," however. They have every
>>>>> bit as much right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as I
>>>>> have.
>>>> My actual solution was to ship food to them that had fertility
>>>> impairment hormones in it or mandate a vasectomy or tube tie in order to
>>>> qualify if people already had 2 or more children. Nobody gets hurt, but
>>>> nobody gets to have 10 kids they can't feed, either.
>>> I think you're operating under two fundamental misconceptions:
>>>
>>> 1) That civilizations never reach a point where population stops
>>> increasing
>>> 2) That children never feed their parents
>>>
>>> If you look at the most developed nations, population growth through
>>> reproduction is in the near-zero to negative range, depending on which
>>> country you're talking about. This implies that as more and more nations
>>> become industrialized, population will level off or even decline. The
>>> reason we have such extreme population growth now is that we have better
>>> education, health care, food production, and food distribution. So
>>> mortality is down.
>> Way off base for the US.
>
> You are very ignorant. No native-born group reproduces itself in the USA.
> Immigration causes population growth here, but they are only meeting a
> demand for labor that a insufficient birth rate from native-born groups
> fails to provide.
>
>
Hah,
I do have 2 cents to add to this one. I went into a Taco Bell not too
long ago and couldn't order what I wanted without a whole lot of sign
language. It seems they were so busy hiring Mexicans who didn't speak
English they forgot to hire one to take the orders from the main
clientèle, which just happened to be whiteys, like me. Some people got
frustrated and walked out but I hung in there and got my 2 Green bean
burritos, the only thing I ever order there. It felt like forever trying
to get them to understand even something that simple.
Yeah, we really need them.
Bill Baka