Do cyclists get cotton mouth?

[gds]

The Wogster wrote:
..
>
> Watch what they are sweetened with, often it's aspertame, unless your
> diabetic, it's worse for you then the sugar.....
>

Why? Seriously, I think there are always tradeoffs with the non caloric
sweetners but what makes aspertame worse for non diabetics?

 

[jj]

On 28 Sep 2005 11:21:06 -0700, "UofADavid128" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Wow...just asked an on the surface question...people are amazing.

I was interested to read how many people chew gum when riding, presumably
for this reason of dry mouth. I like "Extra" wrigley's _Wildberry Frost_.
Oddly twice now I've had it actually "liquify" near the end of a ride and
it's never done that before. (Very unpleasant, because though liquified it
became impossibly, uh 'gummy' and hard to spit out.)

Though I think gum helps with the problem of dry mouth, presumably due to
rapid mouth breathing, most of the time my mouth isn't that dry.

However on a handful of occasions my mouth has been inexplicably dry
despite adequate hydration and the gum actually sticks to my mouth - very
strange; as though the dry mouth is due to unusual nerve stimulation or
something other than hydration.

According to Wiki: "the Sympathetic nervous system can accelerate heart
rate, widen bronchial passages, decrease motility (movement) of the large
intestine, constrict blood vessels, cause pupil dilation, activate goose
bumps, start sweating and raise blood pressure."

So...for biking...good!

But: (also Wiki)

"The parasympathetic nervous system only uses acetylcholine (ACh) as its
neurotransmitter. The ACh acts on two types of receptors, the muscarinic
and nicotinic cholinergic receptors. Most transmissions occur in two
stages, when stimulated the preganglionic nerve releases ACh at the
ganglion, which act on nicotinic receptors of the postganglionic nerve. The
postganglionic nerve then releases ACh to stimulate the muscarinic
receptors of the target organ.
....
Further: "...The M3 (muscarinic) receptors are...located in many glands
which help to stimulate secretion in salivary glands..."

So it seems Cotton Mouth could possibly be a failure, or blockage of the
Parasympatheic nervous system to produce or activate the M3 receptors with
Acetylcholine.

Also at those few times, drinking fails to do more than temporarily solve
the problem. Most of the time, gum works great! ;-)

jj

 

[Chris BeHanna]

jj wrote:

> I was interested to read how many people chew gum when riding, presumably
> for this reason of dry mouth.

I've always tended to think that chewing gum while engaging in an
activity that lends itself to a lot of heavy breathing is an incredibly
bad idea.

Accidentally inhaling the gum could very quickly be fatal. The
Heimlich manuver isn't going to be able to dislodge a sticky wad of
chewing gum, so that means an emergency tracheotomy. If there's no one
around to perform that service, buh-bye.

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[jj]

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:54:30 -0400, Chris BeHanna <[email protected]>
wrote:

>jj wrote:
>
>> I was interested to read how many people chew gum when riding, presumably
>> for this reason of dry mouth.
>
> I've always tended to think that chewing gum while engaging in an
>activity that lends itself to a lot of heavy breathing is an incredibly
>bad idea.
>
> Accidentally inhaling the gum could very quickly be fatal. The
>Heimlich manuver isn't going to be able to dislodge a sticky wad of
>chewing gum, so that means an emergency tracheotomy. If there's no one
>around to perform that service, buh-bye.

Never ever even came close to inhaling. Don't imagine it will ever be a
problem, after two years of once and twice a day riding, over 700 outings.
ymmv.

jj

 

[The Wogster]

gds wrote:
> The Wogster wrote:
> .
>
>>Watch what they are sweetened with, often it's aspertame, unless your
>>diabetic, it's worse for you then the sugar.....
>>
>
>
> Why? Seriously, I think there are always tradeoffs with the non caloric
> sweetners but what makes aspertame worse for non diabetics?
>

It's bad no matter what, just when your diabetic, sugar is not an
option, so they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. For the rest
of us, sugar is the best option, just not too much of it....

W

 

[Bill Sornson]

Chris BeHanna wrote:
> jj wrote:
>
>> I was interested to read how many people chew gum when riding,
>> presumably for this reason of dry mouth.
>
> I've always tended to think that chewing gum while engaging in an
> activity that lends itself to a lot of heavy breathing is an
> incredibly bad idea.
>
> Accidentally inhaling the gum could very quickly be fatal. The
> Heimlich manuver isn't going to be able to dislodge a sticky wad of
> chewing gum, so that means an emergency tracheotomy. If there's no
> one around to perform that service, buh-bye.

OMG, I've been foolishly risking my life while cycling (and before that
running) for decades!

Puh-leeze...

 

[Tom Keats]

In article <[email protected]>,
"Bill Sornson" <[email protected]> writes:
> Chris BeHanna wrote:
>> jj wrote:
>>
>>> I was interested to read how many people chew gum when riding,
>>> presumably for this reason of dry mouth.
>>
>> I've always tended to think that chewing gum while engaging in an
>> activity that lends itself to a lot of heavy breathing is an
>> incredibly bad idea.
>>
>> Accidentally inhaling the gum could very quickly be fatal. The
>> Heimlich manuver isn't going to be able to dislodge a sticky wad of
>> chewing gum, so that means an emergency tracheotomy. If there's no
>> one around to perform that service, buh-bye.
>
> OMG, I've been foolishly risking my life while cycling (and before that
> running) for decades!
>
> Puh-leeze...

I accidentally half-aspirated a Lifesaver once.
But I horked it up again, double-quick.

The Khundalini is quite capable of performing the
Heimlich Squeeze.

So is bad kalamari, but that's from a lower chakra.


cheers,
Tom

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[Leo Lichtman]

"Bill Sornson" wrote: OMG, I've been foolishly risking my life while
cycling (and before that running) for decades! (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It ain't only you. The only place where people are safe is in a classroom,
where the teachers have been saving lives for decades, bless their hearts.

We need to start a campaign to get gum outlawed, but we would probably run
afoul of the powerful gum lobby, whose slogan is something about gum not
killing people, as I recall.

BTW, I believe the reason Lifesavers have a hole is to keep them from being
outlawed.

 

[[email protected]]

[email protected] wrote:

> So, my question to you, our target market, is if you A) suffer from
> cotton mouth while riding and if yes, B) how do you combat the problem?


I'll tell you this much for sure: Corn Nuts is not
the answer. I repeat, NOT Corn Nuts.

Seriously, don't be too discouraged by the superior
attitude of those on this NG. Cyclists in general
are hook-line-and-sinker for any marketing ploy that
gets tossed their direction. Cyclists are some of the
biggest maroons in the history of consumerism.
Unfortunately for marketers/entrepreneurs, there just
aren't very many of us out there.

Robert

 

[Bill]

[email protected] wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>>So, my question to you, our target market, is if you A) suffer from
>>cotton mouth while riding and if yes, B) how do you combat the problem?
>
>
>
> I'll tell you this much for sure: Corn Nuts is not
> the answer. I repeat, NOT Corn Nuts.
>
> Seriously, don't be too discouraged by the superior
> attitude of those on this NG. Cyclists in general
> are hook-line-and-sinker for any marketing ploy that
> gets tossed their direction. Cyclists are some of the
> biggest maroons in the history of consumerism.
> Unfortunately for marketers/entrepreneurs, there just
> aren't very many of us out there.
>
> Robert
>
Double seriously, there are about a half dozen self acclaimed experts
who will advise you that their way is the only way. If you hang around
long enough you will see who they are.

On topic, it doesn't hurt to have some oranges with you to peel and eat
or suck on while you ride. You could peel some before a ride and have
them in a plastic baggy tie wrapped to your handlebars if you don't want
to stop and enjoy the scenery. I ride in the country so there is scenery
and not just buildings. A nice shade tree on a hot day is nice. Not all
of us want to brag about how fast we went but just to get out and ride,
somewhere, anywhere but in front of a television, or in some cases a
computer monitor.

Anybody try green tea? It goes down good cold, warm, or even hot.
Bill

 

[POHB]

My next-door-neighbour died of choking on gum. He was chewing to help in
give up smoking.

"Chris BeHanna" <[email protected]> wrote

> Accidentally inhaling the gum could very quickly be fatal. The Heimlich
> manuver isn't going to be able to dislodge a sticky wad of chewing gum, so
> that means an emergency tracheotomy. If there's no one around to perform
> that service, buh-bye.
>

 

[di]

"Leo Lichtman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Bill Sornson" wrote: OMG, I've been foolishly risking my life while
> cycling (and before that running) for decades! (clip)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> It ain't only you. The only place where people are safe is in a
> classroom, where the teachers have been saving lives for decades, bless
> their hearts.
>
> We need to start a campaign to get gum outlawed, but we would probably run
> afoul of the powerful gum lobby, whose slogan is something about gum not
> killing people, as I recall.
>
> BTW, I believe the reason Lifesavers have a hole is to keep them from
> being outlawed.
>

Every package of gum will be required to have a serial number and a federal
registration form that must be filled out in triplicate to purchase gum.
Of course every chewer must be over 18, there would be big fines for anyone
violating the new law, fines would be used to support the program. A new
Federal Cabinet Level Department will be formed called the GEA, (Gum
Enforcement Agency), to oversee the program.

Only then all will we be totally safe from ourselves.

 

[Bill Sornson]

di wrote:
> "Leo Lichtman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Bill Sornson" wrote: OMG, I've been foolishly risking my life
>> while cycling (and before that running) for decades! (clip)
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> It ain't only you. The only place where people are safe is in a
>> classroom, where the teachers have been saving lives for decades,
>> bless their hearts.
>>
>> We need to start a campaign to get gum outlawed, but we would
>> probably run afoul of the powerful gum lobby, whose slogan is
>> something about gum not killing people, as I recall.
>>
>> BTW, I believe the reason Lifesavers have a hole is to keep them from
>> being outlawed.
>>
>
> Every package of gum will be required to have a serial number and a
> federal registration form that must be filled out in triplicate to
> purchase gum. Of course every chewer must be over 18, there would be
> big fines for anyone violating the new law, fines would be used to
> support the program. A new Federal Cabinet Level Department will be
> formed called the GEA, (Gum Enforcement Agency), to oversee the
> program.
> Only then all will we be totally safe from ourselves.

I'll buy it in TJ if I have to! (God knows it's easy enough to get
/anything/ across the border.)

Bill "sugarless nukes?" S.

 

[Bill Sornson]

POHB top-posted:

> My next-door-neighbour died of choking on gum. He was chewing to
> help in give up smoking.

Well, when you try to light the end of the wrapper, that's bound to happen.

Bill "former Nicorette chewer" S.

 

[gds]

The Wogster wrote:
> gds wrote:
> > The Wogster wrote:
> > .
> >
> >>Watch what they are sweetened with, often it's aspertame, unless your
> >>diabetic, it's worse for you then the sugar.....
> >>
> >
> >
> > Why? Seriously, I think there are always tradeoffs with the non caloric
> > sweetners but what makes aspertame worse for non diabetics?
> >
>
> It's bad no matter what, just when your diabetic, sugar is not an
> option, so they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. For the rest
> of us, sugar is the best option, just not too much of it....
>
> W

OK, but why do you say that?
Sugar (past a point) is simply empty calories. Artificial sweetners
have essentially no calories. Score one for artificial. But yes there
are studies linking artificial sweetners to desease as well-especially
certain types of cancer. Score one for sugar.
But all the studies I have seen used dosages of artificial sweetner in
animal models that translate to pretty high dosages in humans- much
more than having an occasional diet soda.

So I think there is no "truth" here but a matter of reasonable choice
given one's situation and preferences.

 

[Steve knight]

>Watch what they are sweetened with, often it's aspertame, unless your
>diabetic, it's worse for you then the sugar.....
>

most are done with maltitol anymore. seldom is gum sweetened with much
of anything else.
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[Tom Keats]

In article <[email protected]>,
"Leo Lichtman" <[email protected]> writes:

> BTW, I believe the reason Lifesavers have a hole is to keep them from being
> outlawed.

I figured it was just cheaper to make them that way

I miss the clove flavoured Lifesavers.


cheers,
Tom

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[Chris BeHanna]

Leo Lichtman wrote:

> "Bill Sornson" wrote: OMG, I've been foolishly risking my life while
> cycling (and before that running) for decades! (clip)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> It ain't only you. The only place where people are safe is in a classroom,
> where the teachers have been saving lives for decades, bless their hearts.
>
> We need to start a campaign to get gum outlawed, but we would probably run
> afoul of the powerful gum lobby, whose slogan is something about gum not
> killing people, as I recall.
>
> BTW, I believe the reason Lifesavers have a hole is to keep them from being
> outlawed.

Oh, for crying out loud.

I point out a risk that you (the collective "you") might not have
thought of, and the response is ridicule.

Yes, a teacher of mine watched a student die in *exactly* this fashion.
She did not have the training to save him (i.e., tracheotomy).

Yes, I'll admit the chances are small. They are nonzero. Make up your
own mind; do what you want. I reserve the right to think you're foolish.

I still chew gum. I don't do it when I'm exerting myself. I certainly
don't do it in place of hydrating myself. Gum is no substitute for a
water bottle.

Repeat after me: cramps suck.

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[jj]

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:44:26 -0400, Chris BeHanna <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
> I still chew gum. I don't do it when I'm exerting myself. I certainly
>don't do it in place of hydrating myself. Gum is no substitute for a
>water bottle.
>
> Repeat after me: cramps suck.

Do you pull over to the side of the road to drink on your bike? You
wouldn't believe the number of amateur riders that crash trying to emulate
the pros who drink on the fly; right? ;-)

jj

 

[Chris BeHanna]

jj wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:44:26 -0400, Chris BeHanna <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> I still chew gum. I don't do it when I'm exerting myself. I certainly
>>don't do it in place of hydrating myself. Gum is no substitute for a
>>water bottle.
>>
>> Repeat after me: cramps suck.
>
> Do you pull over to the side of the road to drink on your bike? You
> wouldn't believe the number of amateur riders that crash trying to emulate
> the pros who drink on the fly; right? ;-)

You're right; I wouldn't believe it.

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