Do I really have to wear a helmet while cycling in Victoria?



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Euan

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MikeyOz wrote:
> Euan Wrote:
>> Darwin's theory meaning that anyone who thinks a polystyrene hat is
>> going to make any difference when one tonne plus hits them is in for a
>> rude shock.
>>

>
> Oh ok then so when I got cleaned up by a car while I was doing 30kph
> and don't know what the car was doing, and I ended up hitting the
> bonnet, smashing the windscreen, denting the roof and then rolling off
> and falling onto the ground with my bit of polystyreme smashed into 4
> bits, but I had no concussion, no bruising, cuts on my head, it did
> nothing for me ???



Probably not.

When I was 13 I was coming off of a round about and went full tilt in to
a the wing of a car pulling out. I ended up in the middle of the road
after sailing over the bonnet of the car bashing my head plenty hard.

No concussion.
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Cheers
Euan
 
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Theo Bekkers

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MikeyOz wrote:

> with my bit of polystyreme smashed into 4 bits,


Your helmet failed?

Theo
 
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raisethe

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TimC wrote:
>
> And be careful of the dropbears, OK?
>
>



TimC! In my last trip to SE Aus I was attacked by a poisonous snake,
bitten by a spider, trailed by a wombat, blood-sucked by leeches,
frightened by possums and shot the breeze with numerous wallabies not
to mention those mini wallaby things that I can't recall the name of,
but I have never come across a dropbear. What is it?

Apologies to the list for starting this latest round of the helmet war.
It wasn't my intention, but I suppose I should have seen it coming.
 
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Absent Husband

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raisethe wrote:
> TimC wrote:
> >
> > And be careful of the dropbears, OK?
> >
> >

>
>
> TimC! In my last trip to SE Aus I was attacked by a poisonous snake,
> bitten by a spider, trailed by a wombat, blood-sucked by leeches,
> frightened by possums and shot the breeze with numerous wallabies not
> to mention those mini wallaby things that I can't recall the name of,
> but I have never come across a dropbear. What is it?
>
> Apologies to the list for starting this latest round of the helmet war.
> It wasn't my intention, but I suppose I should have seen it coming.


They hide in the trees above your tent, and drop down in the middle of
the night when you're sleeping..... Listen for rustling while you
sleep. If you here any, get up, take your tent down, and move it
somewhere else (yes, even if its 2am)...

Apart from that tho', you should have a great time. And seriously -
welcome!!

Cheers,
Abby
 
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Stuart Naylor

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On 21 Nov 2006 12:10:20 -0800, "raisethe" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>TimC wrote:
>>
>> And be careful of the dropbears, OK?
>>

>TimC! In my last trip to SE Aus I was attacked by a poisonous snake,
>bitten by a spider, trailed by a wombat, blood-sucked by leeches,
>frightened by possums and shot the breeze with numerous wallabies not
>to mention those mini wallaby things that I can't recall the name of,
>but I have never come across a dropbear. What is it?


Try the search engine: http://www.webwombat.com.au/
or http://members.ozemail.com.au/~enigman/dropbear.html
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Stuart
 
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dave

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Friday wrote:
> dave wrote:
>> Euan wrote:
>>> MikeyOz wrote:
>>>> raisethe Wrote:
>>>>> raisethe wrote:
>>>>> Without wishing to re-ignite the helmet debate, I would just point out
>>>>> that I only cycle at 8 mph, hardly faster than a ped, so a fall at
>>>>> that
>>>>> speed is unlikely to result in a head first landing.
>>>>>
>>>> Except if something going a lot faster hits YOU, but like a previous
>>>> poster alluded to..... Darwins Theory at work.
>>> Darwin's theory meaning that anyone who thinks a polystyrene hat is
>>> going to make any difference when one tonne plus hits them is in for a
>>> rude shock.

>>
>>
>> Reminds me of demonstrating to a mate who had just become a copper why
>> hiding behind a car door to evade gunfire would not work. (Take one
>> car wreck. Shoot hole thru it. Be amazed that some tin did not stop a
>> bullet)
>>
>> The world is full of optimists. This one does always amaze me though.
>> Its just so obvious that if you can punch a hole in something a car
>> smacking it at 60 kph might do the same (or even more) damage.
>>
>> Dave

>
> That's a pretty sad statement. Around the world millions or workers wear
> safety helmets helmets, soldiers wear kevlar vests to stop bullets.
> People wear protective equipment because it works. Just the other day a
> female security officer in Perth was hit with a fence picket and the
> radio she was wearing took the brunt of the blow saving her from serious
> injury. You need to get out in the real world a bit more. Obviously
> nothing will stop all of the force but a small reduction in energy goes
> a long way in reducing damage.


Do the maths. Sheesh. Subtract the force of a sledgehammer blow let
alone a fence picket blow from a 6o kph bingle and you would barely
notice the difference to a cars damage.

Btw you do know that a kevlar vest will not stop a knife. It wont even
stop a high velocity bullet. It wont even come close to stopping a
shell or a bomb, rather more comparable to two tonnes at 60 kph than a
bullet impact.

Give me a fence picket and see how well your helmet survives :)

And last but not least how likely is a blow from a fence picket to
actually kill or cause life threatening injury? Yes it could happen but
its more likely to be a mild concussion. And a stitch or two. The
helmet I will grant you might well save you from the stiches.

Otherwise magpie attacks is what they actually work for. And not too
many people die from maggie attacks

Sheesh

Dave
 

Duracell Bunny

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dave said:
Friday wrote:
> dave wrote:
>> Euan wrote:
>>> MikeyOz wrote:
>>>> raisethe Wrote:
>>>>> raisethe wrote:
>

Btw you do know that a kevlar vest will not stop a knife. It wont even
stop a high velocity bullet. It wont even come close to stopping a
shell or a bomb, rather more comparable to two tonnes at 60 kph than a
bullet impact.

Give me a fence picket and see how well your helmet survives :)

And last but not least how likely is a blow from a fence picket to
actually kill or cause life threatening injury? Yes it could happen but
its more likely to be a mild concussion. And a stitch or two. The
helmet I will grant you might well save you from the stiches.

Otherwise magpie attacks is what they actually work for. And not too
many people die from maggie attacks

Sheesh

Dave
A very narrow minded view, Dave.

I've had quite a few stacks in the 8 months or so since I came back to cycling, all of which were at very slow speeds, and most of which resulted in my helmet taking quite a bashing. And no other vehicles involved.

I can assure you my injuries as a result were very trivial, only missing bark here & there & a few bruised muscles & bones. No head injuries, and at least two of the stacks involved an impact quite severe enough to have caused quite serious head injuries (no comments from the BNE peanut gallery, please)

I wore a helmet long before they were compulsory, and will continue to do so. Sure, it messes up my hair. But it's worth it.

Karen
 
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Theo Bekkers

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Duracell Bunny wrote:

> I've had quite a few stacks in the 8 months or so since I came back to
> cycling, all of which were at very slow speeds, and most of which
> resulted in my helmet taking quite a bashing. And no other vehicles
> involved.


Maybe you should learn how to ride. :)
How many of those stacks would you have had if your helmet had not made you
feel safer about the risks you were taking?

> I wore a helmet long before they were compulsory, and will continue to
> do so.


As did I. Now people are telling me my very comfortable Bell V1Pro is
dangerous because it doesn't have a compliance sticker. Doe sthe sticker
really make it safer?

> Sure, it messes up my hair. But it's worth it.


Not much hair left to mess up.

Theo
 

Duracell Bunny

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Theo Bekkers said:
Duracell Bunny wrote:

> I've had quite a few stacks in the 8 months or so since I came back to
> cycling, all of which were at very slow speeds, and most of which
> resulted in my helmet taking quite a bashing. And no other vehicles
> involved.


Maybe you should learn how to ride. :)
How many of those stacks would you have had if your helmet had not made you
feel safer about the risks you were taking?

Theo
Most have been on my MTB, which I only started riding 8 weeks ago. I can honestly say I would not ride MTB without a helmet. Currently I'm riding MTB three or four times a week as I'm working hard on improving my skills & confidence.

The one I had on the road, one my shoe missed the cleats on take off, my road bike is very short wheel base so the other foot hit the front wheel as I wobbled. I hit the tarmac hard with my head as a result. Forward speed was zero.
 
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Friday

Guest
dave wrote:
> Friday wrote:
>> dave wrote:
>>> Euan wrote:
>>>> MikeyOz wrote:
>>>>> raisethe Wrote:
>>>>>> raisethe wrote:
>>>>>> Without wishing to re-ignite the helmet debate, I would just point out
>>>>>> that I only cycle at 8 mph, hardly faster than a ped, so a fall at
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> speed is unlikely to result in a head first landing.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Except if something going a lot faster hits YOU, but like a previous
>>>>> poster alluded to..... Darwins Theory at work.
>>>> Darwin's theory meaning that anyone who thinks a polystyrene hat is
>>>> going to make any difference when one tonne plus hits them is in for a
>>>> rude shock.
>>>
>>> Reminds me of demonstrating to a mate who had just become a copper why
>>> hiding behind a car door to evade gunfire would not work. (Take one
>>> car wreck. Shoot hole thru it. Be amazed that some tin did not stop a
>>> bullet)
>>>
>>> The world is full of optimists. This one does always amaze me though.
>>> Its just so obvious that if you can punch a hole in something a car
>>> smacking it at 60 kph might do the same (or even more) damage.
>>>
>>> Dave

>> That's a pretty sad statement. Around the world millions or workers wear
>> safety helmets helmets, soldiers wear kevlar vests to stop bullets.
>> People wear protective equipment because it works. Just the other day a
>> female security officer in Perth was hit with a fence picket and the
>> radio she was wearing took the brunt of the blow saving her from serious
>> injury. You need to get out in the real world a bit more. Obviously
>> nothing will stop all of the force but a small reduction in energy goes
>> a long way in reducing damage.

>
> Do the maths. Sheesh. Subtract the force of a sledgehammer blow let
> alone a fence picket blow from a 6o kph bingle and you would barely
> notice the difference to a cars damage.
>
> Btw you do know that a kevlar vest will not stop a knife. It wont even
> stop a high velocity bullet. It wont even come close to stopping a
> shell or a bomb, rather more comparable to two tonnes at 60 kph than a
> bullet impact.


Yesterday I trimmed up a kevlar canoe that I'm making. If you think
kevlar won't stop a knife then you've obviously not worked with the
stuff. Kevlar vests are to stop shrapnel and reduce bullet penetration,
your knowledge of kevlar is very wrong.

>
> Give me a fence picket and see how well your helmet survives :)


Lets see how your head survives.

>
> And last but not least how likely is a blow from a fence picket to
> actually kill or cause life threatening injury? Yes it could happen but
> its more likely to be a mild concussion. And a stitch or two. The
> helmet I will grant you might well save you from the stiches.
>

Once again, let someone whack you on the head with one and put your
theory to test.

> Otherwise magpie attacks is what they actually work for. And not too
> many people die from maggie attacks
>
> Sheesh
>
> Dave
 
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dave

Guest
Duracell Bunny wrote:

>
> I wore a helmet long before they were compulsory, and will continue to
> do so. Sure, it messes up my hair. But it's worth it.
>
> Karen
>
>


Karen. I do not mean this nastily believe it or not. I don;t care that
you wear a helmet. I don;t care that you apparently believe it saved
you on heaps of occasions. I am even happy if it gives you confidence
and so improves your riding. Good on you.

The only thing I object to is you telling me it saved you from serious
injury when your evidence, however much you believe it is purely
anecdotal and does not stand up to the slightest scrutiny. Do you see
what I mean? You may believe it. Hell it may even be true. But there
is absolutely no convincing and by that I mean without any offense
statistically convincing evidence to that effect.

Dave
 
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dave

Guest
Friday wrote:

>
> Yesterday I trimmed up a kevlar canoe that I'm making. If you think
> kevlar won't stop a knife then you've obviously not worked with the
> stuff. Kevlar vests are to stop shrapnel and reduce bullet penetration,
> your knowledge of kevlar is very wrong.

http://www.firstdefense.com/html/Stab_1.htm
Not according to the manufacturers it seems. But hey if you know better?

>
>>
>> Give me a fence picket and see how well your helmet survives :)

>
> Lets see how your head survives.
>
>>
>> And last but not least how likely is a blow from a fence picket to
>> actually kill or cause life threatening injury? Yes it could happen but
>> its more likely to be a mild concussion. And a stitch or two. The
>> helmet I will grant you might well save you from the stiches.
>>

> Once again, let someone whack you on the head with one and put your
> theory to test.


Growing up in broady mate. I have been knifed in the head. Wanna see
the scars? (I think poor little brain damaged me can see your next
line) Fence palings, golf clubs, ford falcons, been hit with em all.
And once with a truck. Fence palings are trivial.

But lad, Since you are arguing with maturity and intelligence here. Do
feel free to have a go
Dave
 
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Friday

Guest
dave wrote:
> Friday wrote:
>
>> Yesterday I trimmed up a kevlar canoe that I'm making. If you think
>> kevlar won't stop a knife then you've obviously not worked with the
>> stuff. Kevlar vests are to stop shrapnel and reduce bullet penetration,
>> your knowledge of kevlar is very wrong.

> http://www.firstdefense.com/html/Stab_1.htm
> Not according to the manufacturers it seems. But hey if you know better?
>
>>> Give me a fence picket and see how well your helmet survives :)

>> Lets see how your head survives.
>>
>>> And last but not least how likely is a blow from a fence picket to
>>> actually kill or cause life threatening injury? Yes it could happen but
>>> its more likely to be a mild concussion. And a stitch or two. The
>>> helmet I will grant you might well save you from the stiches.
>>>

>> Once again, let someone whack you on the head with one and put your
>> theory to test.

>
> Growing up in broady mate. I have been knifed in the head. Wanna see
> the scars? (I think poor little brain damaged me can see your next
> line) Fence palings, golf clubs, ford falcons, been hit with em all.
> And once with a truck. Fence palings are trivial.
>
> But lad, Since you are arguing with maturity and intelligence here. Do
> feel free to have a go
> Dave


Well can't argue you with that. You're obviously right.
 
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Absent Husband

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cfsmtb wrote:
> Yawn.
>
>
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> cfsmtb


*lmao!*

Anyway - didn't I have the last word on this a dozen posts or so
ago????? ;)

Abby (off to find a non-rehashed-to-death topic)
 

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Anyone remember a particular comedy routine (circa mid 80's) performed by George Smilovic? :p
 
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dave

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cfsmtb wrote:
> Anyone remember a particular comedy routine (circa mid 80's) performed
> by George Smilovic? :p
>
>

Na. Not that old and always had better taste :)
 

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