Originally posted by crossward
If there are any Ergomo Power Meter owners out there I, and I am sure others, would like to hear your opinions of the product. Thanks in advance!
Originally posted by peterwright
After the Polar it is a breath of fresh air and looks to be the best product of its type to me.
Peter
Originally posted by ricstern
just curious... have you used an SRM or Power Tap?
Ric
Originally posted by peterwright
I mean the best product that does not require either a dedicated wheel or chainset.
Originally posted by ricstern
so, that's only comparing to the Polar S710/S720...
Ric
Originally posted by peterwright
Yes. In terms of a direct product comparison you are absolutely correct Ric !
I do, however think that the Ergomo looks like a very good product when compared to the SRM and Power Tap systems;
1. Equally accurate in tests so far
2. Use your own wheels and chainset
3. Lighter
4. Easier to install
5. Very good quality build of head unit computer
What are your thoughts.... do you have an opinion on the Ergomo ? Have you seen it or tried it yet ?
Originally posted by ricstern
there's no scientific tests so far available (i.e. peer reviewed journal)
that's *possibly* an advantage
i think this is true but i haven't weighed mine to verify that. still as were only talking a few grams (200g??) it isn't going to make much if any difference (you can do the modelling at www.analyticcycling.com)
than the polar definitely. bit harder than an srm, much harder than a PT. however, there's a few caveats to go with that (e.g. if you have to build the PT, then that would be hardest to do, or in the case of most people, not hard because they'd take it into a shop to build)
not had mine long enough to make that statement
see above. i'll try not to comment too much more on this thread
as i'm doing a study on the four power meters. therefore, at present, if asked about the accuracy of any of these units, i'll only reply with what is publicly available.
the above responses to the Ergomo unit shouldn't be viewed as being negative, i'm just trying to show 'the other side of the coin' - as i don't think you have (maybe that's because you haven't used the other units and you prefer the Ergomo to the S710/S720)
Originally posted by peterwright
I was referring to Hunter Allens data as reviewed by Mr Cheung.
I do not see how it is "possibly" an advantage. Surely by having the freedom of choice to use whatever components you wish can only be an advantage to the general user ?
Noted. But in general most riders would prefer a lighter unit if they are putting it on their race bike.
In terms of bringing it home form the shop (so to speak) it can be on the bike and runnign in less than 30 mins and can be done with no need for a visit to a bike shop. id say thats a big advantage
OK. Me neither but I am going on what I have seen and felt so far.
It was not my aim to show "the other side of the coin" but simply to give an opinion on the product, as was requested by the OP.
Originally posted by ricstern
looking back at this thread, you've had it a week or so and ridden twice(ish). i think some of your statements are pretty bold for such a short period of time, i think i've got 10 rides on mine so far and wouldn't be able to make such bold statements.
ric
I am "in the business" as you put it but I certainly do not make any of my postings to this site on behalf of my business nor do I profess in these postings to be any sort of expert.Originally posted by ricstern
it's my understanding from your website, that you have a degree in sports science or similar, and run some sort of training/coaching business. thus, it would seem apparent to me that people would assume (rightly or wrongly) that you are giving it the considered opinion of 'someone in the business'.
Originally posted by ricstern
"research it further", sounds more grandiose than it was, took about 2-secs to click the link on the bottom of all your messages...
i don't think that Robert's web page qualifies as a "paper" (although that in no way invalidates his work).
Manufacturers claim lots of things, that aren't necessarily true or anywhere near true (that's not a dig at Ergomo and indeed i haven't passed any comment on the accuracy and validity of the Ergomo yet, i'm just simply stating something that is known).
Ric
Originally posted by larrynipon
Peter, thank you for your "opinion" and "feedback based on personal experience." It is the choice of the visitors to this thread to accept, reject, believe, disbelieve, etc. Ric, it would be ashame for your somewhat extreme reaction to be a catalyst towards creating reluctance to post opinions for fear of being aggressively criticized. I for one see nothing bold or misleading in Peter's statements, and encourage him, and others, to continue feeding information that is correct and accurate to the best of their knowledge and inspection. It has proven tremendously helpful to me, as I'm sure it has, many others.
Originally posted by ricstern
Larry (and Peter),
I stand by what i previously said. I have no problem with people making various claims, however, in the case of someone who is obviously in the 'business', i.e. Peter is a sport or exercise scientist (from memory) or similar, and has some sort of commercial bike business (coaching or similar) and has links to Ergomo on his website, then people who look at his (Peter's) posts may easily feel that he is making a 'solid' (i.e. it is more than opinion) judgement on the Ergomo's validity and accuracy. I *question* Peter's judgement on his statement (his original post on this subject was made after 2 rides, and without having used the other two power meters). Had i not challenged his opinion others may have thought he was comparing the Ergomo to the PT and SRM as well (which he clearly wasn't). On the other hand, i have way more than two rides on the Ergomo and wouldn't (as a professional in the business) make such assertions.
Again, I'll add that i'm not knocking *or* advocating the Ergomo in this thread, i'm merely commentating on Peters 'rushed' response (as someone in the business).
Ric
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