Dog owners!

[Mark Thompson]

>> Cats are too aloof to consider lowering their dignity by attacking you.
>> They just sit there with that "Come on then." look about them!
>
> Ahh, you mean like this http://tinyurl.com/8kuzv

Further investigation suggests sitting there with that "Come on then" look
sometimes backfires:

<http://www.stuffonmycat.com/media/2/20051024-SUEDE_LOKI.jpg>

 

[JEB1]

"Tony Raven" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> naked_draughtsman wrote:
> >
> > Fortunately I've never been bitten. Constantly having to stop because
> > dog walkers have dogs off leads and running all over the place,
> > especially on cycle paths/lanes.
> >
>
> Well if you will use psychlepaths. Riding on the road I very rarely
> have any problems with dogs and their owners

Point taken. Although in my defence, this particular path is the shortest
route between home and work by about half a mile and is actually quite well
built compared to most of the things. And one dog related incident in three
years isn't bad going given the number of dog walkers that use it. If
anyone's interested I closed the incident by pointing out to the owner that
leads and collars were a lot cheaper than vet's bills which she might have
incurred had I not been struggling against a strong headwind. And also, that
even though I have two 10w headlights, they can't easily pick out people who
dress up in black to take their black dogs for a walk in the dark, so a
reflective jacket might be a useful investment. She agreed somewhat
sheepishly.

On the other hand the psychlepath is not without other dangers. I did get
hissed at by a swan which had plonked itself in the centre of the path a few
weeks ago though. Not sure how I'd have coped with a higher level of
aggression from that. And there are plenty of presumably suicidal rabbits
trying to run under my wheels most trips! Then there's the greater (sorry,
"heavily") spotted teenage motorcyclist/quadbiker, horse riders, farm
tractors, occasional cow and the fact that on arrival in Lincoln it
dissolves into the usual "white line down the pavement" sort of fiasco.
Since moving here, I've come round to the view that the city's highways
people don't like cyclists much, but that they must really, really hate
pedestrians! But that's for another thread.
>
> --
> Tony
>
> "The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
> right."
> - Lord Hailsham

 

[John_Kane]

Ric wrote:
> "Alan Holmes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Hopefully it will have learned a lesson which says that if you attack
> > cyclists you will get hurt, simple really, I'm surprised you fail to
> > understand that.
>
> Alan, you're obviously less intelligent and have less of a sense of humour
> than my dog. She loves chasing cyclists that run away, they remind her of
> chasing ancestral prey like rabbits. The cyclists that get all worked up,
> swear, and try and wack her with their pumps are even more fun to tease -
> that's like teasing another dog from a different pack, and it's the canine
> equivalent of teasing people on newsgroups. The cyclists she respects and
> likes best are those that remind her of dominant dogs - they stop (or at
> least slow down), say hello, smile and say something friendly - she will
> then trot alongside happily.

Unfortunately not all dogs are like this and not all riders are
confident enought to do this, particularly those who have already had
bad experiences with dogs . I agree with the stopping etc. but have no
problem what-so-ever with someone thumping the dog it is chasing. It
is the owner's responsibility to protect cyclists and dog and allowing
it to chase a cyclist shows the owner is not doing this.
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

 

[R. Murphy]

"Russell Fulker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Alan Holmes wrote:
>>
>> When I cycled with a group, if there was a dog which was chasing us, we
>> would all get hold of our pumps and each of us would give the dog a thump
>> as we passed, whether the damned dog got the idea that it was not wanted
>> I will never know, but it was very satifying!
>
> Wouldn't it have been more satisfying & appropriate for you to each clout
> the dog's owner as you passed? It's hardly the mutt's fault it hadn't
> been trained

In this case, the dog has been trained - it's been taught that cyclists are
not friendly, and therefore is more likely to cause problems to other
cyclists later

 

[Ambrose Nankivell]

Tony Raven wrote:
> naked_draughtsman wrote:
>>
>> Fortunately I've never been bitten. Constantly having to stop
>> because dog walkers have dogs off leads and running all over the
>> place, especially on cycle paths/lanes.
>>
>
> Well if you will use psychlepaths. Riding on the road I very rarely
> have any problems with dogs and their owners

I was bitten by a dog on the road 18 months ago.

Admittedly, it was down the bottom of a very steep cul de sac in Donegal
with a lone male farmer type's farm at the bottom, and he came out to see us
(not much passing traffic took this wrong turn) after his sheepdogs had
greeted us, including a gentle nip to the calf to warn me off. I didn't
mention it to him as I was hardly bothered, and it would have meant spoiling
the beauty of the ride with too much awkward human interaction.
--
Ambrose

 

[Dave Larrington]

In article <[email protected]>, the.Mark
([email protected]) wrote:

> Coincidentally, I found this by accident:
> http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/images_ga/news-2.gif

Except that by the time I'd stopped, stood up, turned round and ordered
the hound to cease and desist, he could well already be snacking on
Haunch of Tricyclist.

I /did/ once punch a chasing dog on the nose, but in my defence:

o I wasn't aiming at his conk, just in his general direction, and
o he was a FOREIGN dog, so that's alright then

--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for
Gary Busey to pass through the eye of a camel.

 

[Paul Boyd]

On 23/01/2006 11:37, Ambrose Nankivell said,

> Admittedly, it was down the bottom of a very steep cul de sac in Donegal
> with a lone male farmer type's farm at the bottom, and he came out to
> see us (not much passing traffic took this wrong turn) after his
> sheepdogs had greeted us, including a gentle nip to the calf to warn me
> off.

I had a similar wrong turn in North Wales. This very unfriendly dog
started towards me, barking aggressively, dripping fangs, the lot, I
carried on slowly past, then he actually attacked me from behind, fast,
and left big toothmarks in my...

....rear bumper - I was in a car!!! This was a public road though, so I
would hate to think of any cyclists or walkers who may have ventured
along there.

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

 

[Alan Holmes]

"R. Murphy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Russell Fulker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Alan Holmes wrote:
>>>
>>> When I cycled with a group, if there was a dog which was chasing us, we
>>> would all get hold of our pumps and each of us would give the dog a
>>> thump as we passed, whether the damned dog got the idea that it was not
>>> wanted I will never know, but it was very satifying!
>>
>> Wouldn't it have been more satisfying & appropriate for you to each clout
>> the dog's owner as you passed? It's hardly the mutt's fault it hadn't
>> been trained
>
> In this case, the dog has been trained - it's been taught that cyclists
> are not friendly, and therefore is more likely to cause problems to other
> cyclists later

If it got the idea that attacking a cyclist would result in it getting a
thump. It is extreemly unlikely it would take the risk of attacking any more
cyclists

Alan
>
>

 

[Cheryl]

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:33:50 GMT, "Alan Holmes"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"R. Murphy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Russell Fulker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Alan Holmes wrote:
>>>>
>>>> When I cycled with a group, if there was a dog which was chasing us, we
>>>> would all get hold of our pumps and each of us would give the dog a
>>>> thump as we passed, whether the damned dog got the idea that it was not
>>>> wanted I will never know, but it was very satifying!
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it have been more satisfying & appropriate for you to each clout
>>> the dog's owner as you passed? It's hardly the mutt's fault it hadn't
>>> been trained
>>
>> In this case, the dog has been trained - it's been taught that cyclists
>> are not friendly, and therefore is more likely to cause problems to other
>> cyclists later
>
>If it got the idea that attacking a cyclist would result in it getting a
>thump. It is extreemly unlikely it would take the risk of attacking any more
>cyclists
>

No it didn't.
What it learned was that it was right to fear cyclists and that the
fear response it showed this time (i.e. barking, growling, snapping,
chasing etc.) would be magnified the next time because it had been
proved correct in it's assumptions that cyclists are to be feared.
Therefore, hitting the dog means that it will chase faster, growl
louder and bite harder when it next comes across something which it
fears. You compounded the problem.

Cheryl

 

[LSMike]

Cheryl wrote:
>
> No it didn't.
> What it learned was that it was right to fear cyclists and that the
> fear response it showed this time (i.e. barking, growling, snapping,
> chasing etc.) would be magnified the next time because it had been
> proved correct in it's assumptions that cyclists are to be feared.
> Therefore, hitting the dog means that it will chase faster, growl
> louder and bite harder when it next comes across something which it
> fears. You compounded the problem.
>
> Cheryl

I disagree. Dogs are not stupid, they're more likely NOT to chase
something that caused fear/pain last time.

 

[dave]

Cheryl wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:33:50 GMT, "Alan Holmes"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>"R. Murphy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>"Russell Fulker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>Alan Holmes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>When I cycled with a group, if there was a dog which was chasing us, we
>>>>>would all get hold of our pumps and each of us would give the dog a
>>>>>thump as we passed, whether the damned dog got the idea that it was not
>>>>>wanted I will never know, but it was very satifying!
>>>>
>>>>Wouldn't it have been more satisfying & appropriate for you to each clout
>>>>the dog's owner as you passed? It's hardly the mutt's fault it hadn't
>>>>been trained
>>>
>>>In this case, the dog has been trained - it's been taught that cyclists
>>>are not friendly, and therefore is more likely to cause problems to other
>>>cyclists later
>>
>>If it got the idea that attacking a cyclist would result in it getting a
>>thump. It is extreemly unlikely it would take the risk of attacking any more
>>cyclists
>>
>
>
> No it didn't.
> What it learned was that it was right to fear cyclists and that the
> fear response it showed this time (i.e. barking, growling, snapping,
> chasing etc.) would be magnified the next time because it had been
> proved correct in it's assumptions that cyclists are to be feared.
> Therefore, hitting the dog means that it will chase faster, growl
> louder and bite harder when it next comes across something which it
> fears. You compounded the problem.
>
> Cheryl

Geez. Must be a stupid dog. All out assault when scared.
If it comes at me its lunch. No problem

Better restrain it if you want it to live hey?

I remember my dad when the pit bull next door tore up my cat and him.
Got back from the vet. Walked next door. Crack. No more problem
with that dog.



Dave

 

[Tony Hogarty]

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:32:41 +1100, dave wrote:

> Geez. Must be a stupid dog. All out assault when scared. If it comes at
> me its lunch. No problem
>
> Better restrain it if you want it to live hey?
>
> I remember my dad when the pit bull next door tore up my cat and him. Got
> back from the vet. Walked next door. Crack. No more problem with that
> dog.

Hard guy eh? What a *****.

--
Regards
Tony
(Take out the garbage to reply)

 

[Dave Larrington]

In article <[email protected]>, dave
([email protected]) wrote:

> I remember my dad when the pit bull next door tore up my cat and him.
> Got back from the vet. Walked next door. Crack. No more problem
> with that dog.

One potential drawback with that approach is that pit bulls frequently
have thick violent pikeys in the vicinity...

--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
Stop press! Pope still dead...

 

[Cheryl]

On 24 Jan 2006 06:42:46 -0800, "LSMike" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Cheryl wrote:
>>
>> No it didn't.
>> What it learned was that it was right to fear cyclists and that the
>> fear response it showed this time (i.e. barking, growling, snapping,
>> chasing etc.) would be magnified the next time because it had been
>> proved correct in it's assumptions that cyclists are to be feared.
>> Therefore, hitting the dog means that it will chase faster, growl
>> louder and bite harder when it next comes across something which it
>> fears. You compounded the problem.
>>
>> Cheryl
>
>I disagree. Dogs are not stupid, they're more likely NOT to chase
>something that caused fear/pain last time.

So if I crack you round the head with my pump you're going to run away
or are you going to protest at my hitting you?
Dogs only have one way of protesting.

 

[Tosspot]

Cheryl wrote:
> On 24 Jan 2006 06:42:46 -0800, "LSMike" <[email protected]>
> wrote:

<snip>

>>I disagree. Dogs are not stupid, they're more likely NOT to chase
>>something that caused fear/pain last time.
>
>
> So if I crack you round the head with my pump you're going to run away
> or are you going to protest at my hitting you?
> Dogs only have one way of protesting.

Oh I don't know, by the time you done it half a dozen times he wont be
trying to shag yer leg.

I'll get my coat now shall I?

 

[Tosspot]

Tony Hogarty wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:32:41 +1100, dave wrote:
>
>
>>Geez. Must be a stupid dog. All out assault when scared. If it comes at
>>me its lunch. No problem
>>
>> Better restrain it if you want it to live hey?
>>
>>I remember my dad when the pit bull next door tore up my cat and him. Got
>>back from the vet. Walked next door. Crack. No more problem with that
>>dog.
>
>
> Hard guy eh? What a *****.

Why? The dog attacked him.

 

[Alan Holmes]

"Cheryl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 24 Jan 2006 06:42:46 -0800, "LSMike" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Cheryl wrote:
>>>
>>> No it didn't.
>>> What it learned was that it was right to fear cyclists and that the
>>> fear response it showed this time (i.e. barking, growling, snapping,
>>> chasing etc.) would be magnified the next time because it had been
>>> proved correct in it's assumptions that cyclists are to be feared.
>>> Therefore, hitting the dog means that it will chase faster, growl
>>> louder and bite harder when it next comes across something which it
>>> fears. You compounded the problem.
>>>
>>> Cheryl
>>
>>I disagree. Dogs are not stupid, they're more likely NOT to chase
>>something that caused fear/pain last time.
>
> So if I crack you round the head with my pump you're going to run away
> or are you going to protest at my hitting you?

No, I'll make sure I don't get close enough for you to hit me again.

But then, I'm obviously more intelligent than a dog!..

> Dogs only have one way of protesting.

But I don't think they are so stupid as to go near another cyclist, just in
case they do get hit.

Alan

 

[Alan Holmes]

"Tony Hogarty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:32:41 +1100, dave wrote:
>
>> Geez. Must be a stupid dog. All out assault when scared. If it comes at
>> me its lunch. No problem
>>
>> Better restrain it if you want it to live hey?
>>
>> I remember my dad when the pit bull next door tore up my cat and him. Got
>> back from the vet. Walked next door. Crack. No more problem with
>> that
>> dog.
>
> Hard guy eh? What a *****.

Why, you would just stand by and let the dog attack you again, would you?

If anyone is a '*****' it would be you if you were prepared to let that
happen.

Alan
>
> --
> Regards
> Tony
> (Take out the garbage to reply)
>

 

[Dan Gregory]

LSMike wrote:
> Cheryl wrote:
>
>>No it didn't.
>>What it learned was that it was right to fear cyclists and that the
>>fear response it showed this time (i.e. barking, growling, snapping,
>>chasing etc.) would be magnified the next time because it had been
>>proved correct in it's assumptions that cyclists are to be feared.
>>Therefore, hitting the dog means that it will chase faster, growl
>>louder and bite harder when it next comes across something which it
>>fears. You compounded the problem.
>>
>>Cheryl
>
>
> I disagree. Dogs are not stupid, they're more likely NOT to chase
> something that caused fear/pain last time.
>
I agree with Cherl. My dog has only chased one cyclist - the one that
displayed great fear, and shouted and waved her hands at her. She now
recognises her and will bark at her .. on the shared use route we walk
on she waits for the others to pass except for a couple of guys who let
her run with her as she often does with me.
)
Dan Gregory

 

[Mark Dawson]

I've got a Dog Dazer. It's a handheld device that emits a high pitched
frequency that dogs find uncomfortable and causes them to back away.
Since I've had it, I've not really been plagued by a dog although I did
have some stupid yappy rat thing try to bite my tyre at the weekend but
I couldn't really zap it whilst the owner was attempting to unclamp its
jaws.
However, I spotted a dog in the park that was nowhere near it's owner
and gave it a quick zap of the Dazer. I think it works because it leapt
backwards in the air as if i'd shot it! Recommended, based on that one
experience!

Mark
http://www.love-yr-bike.co.uk