Dogs

On Wed, 28 May 2003 09:09:46 +0000 (UTC), "John Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

[Here SNIPPY, SNIPPY]

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So dog owners get the massage. Eat my brake dust [censored].

Speaking as one whose had a couple of kites damaged, one last year, the other (same kite) the year
before, I say to you, Gibbo, "Well done, mate!"

T'is a shame that no one's invented a 'bent-type bike with the chainwheel on the back!

I prefer cats, myself, but am not anti-hound. It's the owners I'd like to put on a slow barbeque.
Double standards, as you say.

James

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John Gibson said:

How many times have you heard an owner say " Oh he"s ok he wont bite"

Similarly, Gibbo: "Oh, he only ever chases kites."

That would chasing - as in attacking - those kites that are sitting stationary on the ground also!

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John B said:

I usually stop and bark loudly at them. I have no idea what I'm saying but it seems to totally
confuse them ;-)

You're probably questioning their parentage or suggesting that their latest meal of Doggy Dins was
laced with salmonella - or was it Shimanolla?

James

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Ric said:

"marc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Would you have prefered the rider to have been bitten?

No, not at all. But taking pleasure from seeing an animal hurt or killed through no fault of its
own is pathetic. And to boast about it on an ng, trying to pretend that it is funny, is even more
pathetic.

You are a dog AICMFP Now run along your doggy dins is ready.

John B

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Ric said:

You sound like the sort of person who laughs when small brown kids get blown up by american
smart-missiles....

And you sound like you're the sort of person who confuses two totally different, and separate,
issues ...

No, the OP was taking pleasure in seeing an animal suffer.

Wrong again Ric. I did not take pleasure, I took action because I felt threatened. But hey, dont let
facts get in the way of a good lie.

Gibbo.

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On Wed, 28 May 2003 09:09:46 +0000 (UTC), "John Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I prefer cats, myself, but am not anti-hound. It's the owners I'd like to put on a slow barbeque.
Double standards, as you say.

James

The meat would be more tender - but *far* more likely to contain harmful pathogens than even
dog-meat, which is particularly tough and greasy (this advice came from an old Chinese aunt).

Alex

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Ric said:

You sound like the sort of person who laughs when small brown kids get blown up by american
smart-missiles....

And you sound like you're the sort of person who confuses two totally different, and separate,
issues ...

No, the OP was taking pleasure in seeing an animal suffer.

Which has what, exactly, to do with " .. small brown kids get blown up by american smart-missiles" ?

I actually didn't read that he took any pleasure from the encounter, in fact I think he was
[censored]-scared and retaliated in a forceful manner, commensurate with the percieved threat. Yes, he
posted in a light-hearted vein, but certainly didn't appear to gain any pleasure from the incident.

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Yawn. You are as bad as car drivers on who regard all cyclists as fair game. Just learn to respect
that other people have different pleasures to your own. You'll be a nicer person for it.

Perhaps the dog owner should learn that cyclists have a right to ride on cyclepaths without being
molested by a predatory animal that will instinctively give chase, and which the cyclist cannot know
will not bite.

Perhaps the dog owner should bear in mind HC rule 42 when walking his animal: "Dogs ... Keep it on a
short lead when walking on the pavement, road or path shared with cyclists."

I've been chased by dogs on cyclepaths. I've been debiked by an uncontrolled dog running in front of
me, and had numerous near misses in similar circumstances. A colleague of mine was signed off work
for 6 weeks to recover from his injuries after being debiked in the same way. I shouldn't have to
put up with hazards from uncontrolled dogs, nor should the OP, nor should any cyclist.

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> You sound like the sort of person who laughs when small brown kids get blown up by american
> smart-missiles....

And you sound like you're the sort of person who confuses two totally different, and separate,
issues ...

No, the OP was taking pleasure in seeing an animal suffer.

Which has what, exactly, to do with " .. small brown kids get blown up by american
smart-missiles" ?

I actually didn't read that he took any pleasure from the encounter, in fact I think he was
[censored]-scared and retaliated in a forceful manner, commensurate with the percieved threat. Yes, he
posted in a light-hearted vein, but certainly didn't appear to gain any pleasure from the
incident.

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You always hear 'it's not the dogs it's a few irresponsible owners who spoil it'. ok lets make them
responsible and pay. I'll put my cards on the table. I absolutely detest dogs and cats and their
owners. However I am not unreasonable. All dogs should be licenced. The fee should be mid range say
£200 pa People caught in possession without licence should received a life ban and fine. Two yellows
= red. Red is life ban for owner. Public crapping and non-clearing should be a yellow card for the
owner. Persistant barking when dog left for hours while 'dog lover' at work ten hours a day - yellow
card. Biting should be a red card for the owner and mandatory destruction of the pet. Licence should
pay for Dog police.

Then hopefully we will have fewer dogs. Better more responsible owners. Dog would only be looked
after by responsible people. Hence better for dogs.

Alex Graham said:

Anyway I was going along this towpath the other week and saw a person ahead carrying a dogless
lead. Uh-oh, I thought - wheres the dog. As that thought flashed through my brain the dog flashed
out of the undergrowth, careered across the path and under my front wheel. Well not under but more
of a glancing blow to it. A split second later my bike was in a perpendicular plane to the path.

I find that I'm ok while my bike is in a plane perpendicular to the path, its when it in a parrallel
plane that it hurts and I stop moving forward.

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Ric said:

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You sound like the sort of person who laughs when small brown kids get

blown

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up by american smart-missiles....

Would you have prefered the rider to have been bitten?

No, not at all. But taking pleasure from seeing an animal hurt or killed through no fault of its
own is pathetic. And to boast about it on an ng, trying to pretend that it is funny, is even more
pathetic.

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Any turd dispenser off the lead is fair game for anything to happen to
it.

Yawn. You are as bad as car drivers on who regard all cyclists as fair game. Just learn to respect
that other people have different pleasures to your own. You'll be a nicer person for it.

I note you snipped the point about you having no real argument and having to rely on emotion! Want
another crack at it?

Simononon' sbennett and my domain is widerworld said:

If a dog chases you, just stop and talk to it.

dogs = weird

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So there I was at about 9 pm lights on all legal, belting through my local park which is a cycle
path when this big ugly black dog gives

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snapping and barking as I pedalled like mad to escape. It was like a frigging SAM chasing an F16
I could not shake the mother off. So I screeched to a halt full bang on the Shimano discs and
let this dog have a facefull of Reebok trainer. The dogs owner then caught us up and had a go at
me about booting the dog and cycling too fast and he might call the old bill. So I asked him
"where his dog [censored] was?" He looked a bit confused so I said to him that obviously he has a bag
full of his dogs [censored] that he has cleaned up from the pavement. He stood there shaking his head
as I reminded him that his dogs stinking festering pile of logs was probably smothered all over
the pathway for all to tread in and cycle across.

I also demanded to know why the stinky black dog was not on a lead? No answer to that either
suprise surprise.

It never ceases to amaze me peoples double standards, and you might think I give cyclists a bad
name but we will never be as anti social as people who let their flea bitten mutts [censored] all over
the path.

So dog owners get the massage. Eat my brake dust [censored].

Gibbo.

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Not as weird as top posters!

AndyMorris said:

I find that I'm ok while my bike is in a plane perpendicular to the path, its when it in a
parrallel plane that it hurts and I stop moving forward.

Hurts even more when you're in a parallel plane to the path and you don't stop moving forward.

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On Wed, 28 May 2003 10:29:22 +0100 someone who may be "Gadget"
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I've been chased by dogs but I've found that by letting them get close enough and braking sharply
enough, they usually run into the back wheel. Sometime this requires rapid accelleration before
they come to and start to savage parts of bike or body.

Let them bite the back wheel.

Dogs are often far more intelligent than their owner. A few missing teeth are a lesson few dogs
will forget.

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I had two interesting recent experiences with dogs...

The first time I was out on the mountain bike when two sheep dogs started to chase me on a hill. I
was that pumped up with adrenaline that I stopped the bike and chased the stunned dogs back to where
they came from. I fumbled for my pump for the rally which never came.

The second time was when I entered a local park and a spaniel started growing at me for "invading
his territory". I shouted "Bad Dog" and pointed my finger at it and low and behold it slinked off.

Failing all that there is always the trusty aluminium barrelled pump.

If a dog attacks me then I regard it is out of control and fair game, deserving what it gets. I
strongly discourage my dog from even looking at cyclists.... the same way as I discourage him away
from sheep.

Saw an interesting thing last week on the Forth & Clyde Canal tow path, a stupid boy on a bike was
actually encouraging his yapping mutt to chase him.

Has anyone tried using a Dog Dazer?

Wallace

On Thu, 29 May 2003 00:09:34 +0000, Marc did issue forth:

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Not as weird as top posters!

And they aren't as weird as people who quote an entire message and put one line at the bottom!

Huw "Think I'll introduce helmets here and start a real flamewar" Pritchard

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What a whiney spineless little man you must be. Scared of a dog! LOL!!! Then you go around
boasting about kicking it.

Its not so unusual to find people scared of certain animals. How narrow minded of you to have missed
that. Strange though it seems its you that has pretty much been thrown to the lions in this thread.

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Is it really so traumatic for you to have a dog bark at you? Perhaps you should see a psychiatrist
for treatment over irrational fear syndrome.

Not that traumatic,I am not a dog lover but neither do they scare me as such. But biting the back
wheel and acting in a threatening manner because the owner has discarded his duty of responsibility
then yes I consider it ok and reasonable to protect myself. My so called irrational fear does not
mean I have to start another thread in disguise to "backbite" as you have done. Also when are you
going to explain the American smart missiles statement? and the justification that it is ok for
another poster to have his Kites attacked by dogs?

So come on Ric, for the benefit of the thread lets have the explanation why you think people here
like to see kids killed by American bombs, and how this relates to cyclists being chased by dogs.

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Huw Pritchard said:

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Not as weird as top posters!

And they aren't as weird as people who quote an entire message and put one line at the bottom!

Forced upon me by the actions of the top poster. :-(

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Huw "Think I'll introduce helmets here and start a real flamewar" Pritchard

Can't you throw in a few sheep slurs as well? That nornally gets the pot boiling

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The second time was when I entered a local park and a spaniel started growing at me for "invading
his territory". I shouted "Bad Dog" and pointed my finger at it and low and behold it slinked off.

I dunno much about dog's, but isn't the problem when you come across a natural pack leader:- This
may be tripe, but I thought that about 1 in 50 dogs are virtually born to lead, and so will refuse
to be subserviant, and so will not give in like this.

Admittedly the odds are in our favour, but I bet if your 1 in 50 comes in, that the dog will be a
big one that will take some fighting, rather than something more punt-able.

Anyone else had enough of being in the park with your toddlers, and dog owners allowing their hound
to run up to your toddler: "Its alright, he loves kids"

On Wed, 28 May 2003 09:09:46 +0000 (UTC), "John Gibson" <[email hidden]> in
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I've never been chased by a dog. But several years ago, I was cycling up the monster hill to Rowen
Youth Hostel. I couldn't cycle any further so I dismounted to walk up the hill (wimp). As I
propped myself tripod style with my head on my saddle, a small dog wandered up and urinated over
my front forks.

Love and amazement from Rich x

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