Downhill Around Vermont



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Timothy Lee Bur

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Ski areas in Vermont that take mountain bikes up the lifts:

Stratton (800-843-6867) Killington (800-621-7669) Jay Peak (800-451-4449)

Ski areas in New Hampshire that take mountain bikes up the lifts:

Bretton Woods (800-232-2972) Loon Mountain (603-745-8111) Waterville Valley (603-236-4666) Attitash
(603-374-2368)

Ski areas in Maine that take mountain bikes up the lifts:

Sunday River (800-543-2754)

Reference: http://www.ltolman.org/93arch/94731.htm
 
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Pete Fagerlin

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"Timothy Lee Burgher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| Ski areas in Vermont that take mountain bikes up the lifts:
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| Stratton (800-843-6867) Killington (800-621-7669) Jay Peak (800-451-4449)
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| Ski areas in New Hampshire that take mountain bikes up the lifts:
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| Bretton Woods (800-232-2972) Loon Mountain (603-745-8111) Waterville Valley (603-236-4666)
| Attitash (603-374-2368)
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| Ski areas in Maine that take mountain bikes up the lifts:
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| Sunday River (800-543-2754)
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| Reference: http://www.ltolman.org/93arch/94731.htm

It's an article from 1994 and you can't even quote it properly.

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Morryjg

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[email protected] (Timothy Lee Burgher) wrote in message
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> Ski areas in Vermont that take mountain bikes up the lifts:

> Ski areas in New Hampshire that take mountain bikes up the lifts:

> Ski areas in Maine that take mountain bikes up the lifts:

There's a recurring theme in this post....something about "SKI AREA." The east coasters being such
masters at making snow and it being winter time (i.e. ski season) I think DH'ing is a little out of
season there.

-Jack
 
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Timothy Lee Bur

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Hello everyone. How are you supposed to quote internet material? I think I should have kept what I
typed exactly as I found it in the 1994 article, but I thought the new structure was easier to read.

Thanks, Tim
 
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Jonathan Bond

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Pete Fagerlin wrote:
> "Timothy Lee Burgher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> | Ski areas in Vermont that take mountain bikes up the lifts:
> |
> | Stratton (800-843-6867) Killington (800-621-7669) Jay Peak (800-451-4449)
> |
> | Ski areas in New Hampshire that take mountain bikes up the lifts:
> |
> | Bretton Woods (800-232-2972) Loon Mountain (603-745-8111) Waterville Valley (603-236-4666)
> | Attitash (603-374-2368)
> |
> | Ski areas in Maine that take mountain bikes up the lifts:
> |
> | Sunday River (800-543-2754)
> |
> |
> | Reference: http://www.ltolman.org/93arch/94731.htm
>
> It's an article from 1994 and you can't even quote it properly.
>
> --
> Pete Fagerlin
>
> http://www.petefagerlin.com/wacko.htm
>
>

Not to mention the fact that its winter, and all the ski areas are set for skiing, not biking....

Jon "Commander" Bond
 
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Morryjg

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[email protected] (Morryjg) wrote in message
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> [email protected] (Timothy Lee Burgher) wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>
> > Ski areas in Vermont that take mountain bikes up the lifts:
>
> > Ski areas in New Hampshire that take mountain bikes up the lifts:
>
> > Ski areas in Maine that take mountain bikes up the lifts:
>
>
> There's a recurring theme in this post....something about "SKI AREA." The east coasters being such
> masters at making snow and it being winter time (i.e. ski season) I think DH'ing is a little out
> of season there.
>
> -Jack

Dang....I hate the delay in posting using Google groups. I gotta find a way to get to a different
news server at work.

-J
 
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Timothy Lee Bur

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I meant for the coming summer... that's how I see it at least. Some people are still saying the
coming winter but I can't wait to get out there biking again. I am still riding here in Vermont but
it's getting really cold.

Also, someone told me riding a bike with cold knees is like driving a car with no oil. Actually, I
think I read that on www.mtbr.com. Is that true. I know my hands feel worse on the computer when my
room is cold...

Tim
 
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Timothy Lee Bur

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Sorry about that spreading around of the information. All I did was change the subject. I did not
think that would start a whole separate thread. Is that what I did wrong or am I missing
something else?

Tim
 
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Simon

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"Timothy Lee Burgher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| I meant for the coming summer... that's how I see it at least. Some people are still saying the
| coming winter but I can't wait to get out there biking again. I am still riding here in Vermont
| but it's getting really cold.
|
| Also, someone told me riding a bike with cold knees is like driving a car with no oil. Actually, I
| think I read that on www.mtbr.com. Is that true. I know my hands feel worse on the computer when
| my room is cold...
|
| Tim

Tim I personally take glucosamine sulphate (sulfate) to help maintain joints within the body. Should
help keep your knees in tip top order during cold rides.

Simon
 
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Simon

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"Pete Fagerlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| "Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| | Tim I personally take glucosamine sulphate (sulfate) to help maintain
| joints
| | within the body. Should help keep your knees in tip top order during
cold
| | rides.
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| Do you have knee osteoarthritis or does "knee maintenance" fall under the placebo heading?

Not sure why I humour this guy with a response but :

Glucosamine sulphate taken every day has been proven to prevent the onset of joint wastage and
arthritic complaints. I rock climb and cycle hence knees and elbows recieve alot of use. GS has
helped too with recovery times after accidents.

Shame it doesnt help with irritations of the news group kind

Simon........ dont take my word for it, as ya doctor!
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| Pete Fagerlin
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| http://www.petefagerlin.com
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Pete Fagerlin

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"Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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<snip>

| Glucosamine sulphate taken every day has been proven to prevent the onset
of
| joint wastage and arthritic complaints.

LOL.

Ok. You made the claim.

Are there any medical studies that back up your miraculous claims about the prevention of arthritis
and/or joint wastage?

Good luck.

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Pete Fagerlin

http://www.petefagerlin.com

p.s. The Lancet study showed the efficacy of glucosamine sulphate for treating people with
osteoarthritis. That's all.
 
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Simon

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"<snip>
| LOL.
|
| Ok. You made the claim.
|
| Are there any medical studies that back up your miraculous claims about
the
| prevention of arthritis and/or joint wastage?
|
| Good luck.
|
| --
| Pete Fagerlin
|
| http://www.petefagerlin.com
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| p.s. The Lancet study showed the efficacy of glucosamine sulphate for treating people with
| osteoarthritis. That's all.

http://www.vitaminuk.com/pages/articles/glucosaminesulphate.htm proof enough? it is for me, I use it
and have found it works wonders.

Simon ... Prevention is better than a cure
 
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P E T E F A G E

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"Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
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| "<snip>
| | LOL.
| |
| | Ok. You made the claim.
| |
| | Are there any medical studies that back up your miraculous claims about
| the
| | prevention of arthritis and/or joint wastage?
| |
| | Good luck.
| |
| | --
| | Pete Fagerlin
| |
| | http://www.petefagerlin.com
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| | p.s. The Lancet study showed the efficacy of glucosamine sulphate for treating people with
| | osteoarthritis. That's all.
|
| http://www.vitaminuk.com/pages/articles/glucosaminesulphate.htm proof enough? it is for me, I use
| it and have found it works wonders.
|
| Simon ... Prevention is better than a cure

Ahem, "medical studies" not marketing pap from vitamin pushers.

How about:

"Scientific studies have not determined the optimum dose for either of the Most common formulations
of glucosamine--GS or GH. It is not clear if glucosamine has a cartilage-protecting action. It is
not clear at what stage of OA glucosamine is most efficacious. It is not clear whether GS and GH are
equally efficacious. It is not known how glucosamine compares to other common OA therapies. Two
studies have compared GS to ibuprofen. One found GS superior, and one found the two medications
equivalent in terms of pain relief. The mechanism of effect of these medications hasn't been
identified. There is no conclusive evidence that glucosamine is more effective when combined with
chondroitin sulfate."

http://www.arthritis-glucosamine.net/glucosamine/science/glucosamine-back-p ain.html

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Pete Fagerlin http://www.petefagerlin.com
 
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Simon

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"<snip usual gumpf>
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http://www.arthritis-glucosamine.net/glucosamine/science/glucosamine-back-p
| ain.html
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| Pete Fagerlin http://www.petefagerlin.com
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That link dictates a question as to wether or not existing sufferers should take GS my response was
to prevent this..

Now I shall use your link and web site to turn your argument around
http://www.arthritis-glucosamine.net/glucosamine/glucosamine-joint-health.ht ml

That says it all: GS helps prevent damage.

Peter or p e t e as you now call yourself just give up flogging a dead horse. The site you used to
counteract my statements in fact has more pro's than con's.

Have fun with this now dead end. I for one wont continue a seemingly pointless "banging of head
against a brick wall"

Simon ... the cyclist without arthritic complaints
 
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P E T E F A G E

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"Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| Now I shall use your link and web site to turn your argument around
|
http://www.arthritis-glucosamine.net/glucosamine/glucosamine-joint-health.h t
| ml
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| That says it all: GS helps prevent damage.

Huh? Did you read the entire page?

"The bottom line

No one has initiated a study to find out exactly how supplements prevent joint disease among
healthy people."

Which part of "medical study" are you struggling with?

--
Pete Fagerlin ...another cyclist without arthritic complaints. It must be due to my beer
consumption. http://www.petefagerlin.com
 
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P E T E F A G E

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"bomba" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
| P e t e F a g e r l i n wrote:
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| > | http://www.vitaminuk.com/pages/articles/glucosaminesulphate.htm proof enough? it is for me, I
| > | use it and have found it works wonders.
| > |
| > | Simon ... Prevention is better than a cure
| >
| > Ahem, "medical studies" not marketing pap from vitamin pushers.
| >
| > How about:
| >
| > "Scientific studies have not determined the optimum dose for either of
the
| > Most common formulations of glucosamine--GS or GH. It is not clear if glucosamine has a
| > cartilage-protecting action. It is not clear at what stage of OA glucosamine is most
| > efficacious. It is not clear whether GS and GH are equally efficacious. It is not known how
| > glucosamine compares to other common OA therapies.
Two
| > studies have compared GS to ibuprofen. One found GS superior, and one
found
| > the two medications equivalent in terms of pain relief. The mechanism of effect of these
| > medications hasn't been identified. There is no conclusive evidence that glucosamine is more
| > effective when combined with chondroitin sulfate."
|
| So it's been proven to actually do some good then?

" It is not clear if glucosamine has a cartilage-protecting action." seems to be pretty
straight-forward to me.

The Lancet study shows that it is helpful for folks with osteoarthritis, hence my question about
whether Simon has osteoarthritis.

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Pete Fagerlin http://www.petefagerlin.com
 
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Simon

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| No one has initiated a study to find out exactly how supplements prevent joint disease among
| healthy people."
|
| Which part of "medical study" are you struggling with?
|
|
|
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| Pete Fagerlin ...another cyclist without arthritic complaints. It must be due to my beer
| consumption. http://www.petefagerlin.com
|

Okay I said I wouldnt but some things are too easy:

No one has initiated a study to find out "exactly how".......blah blah

Says it all, it does the job but no one has studied exactly how and why!

Struggling with medical study nope.

Simon ..... happy knowing GS works and looking forward to seeing pete popping pills for arthritus.
 
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P E T E F A G E

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"Simon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| Okay I said I wouldnt but some things are too easy:
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| No one has initiated a study to find out "exactly how".......blah blah
|
| Says it all, it does the job but no one has studied exactly how and why!

How can you know it does its job (preventing knee problems as you and the vitamin marketers claim),
if it hasn't been studied and/or quantified?

Have you ever heard of the placebo effect?

GS has been shown to help folks with osteoarthritis (Lancet et al) but even those folks don't make
the HUGE jump that you do and claim that it has preventative use.

| Struggling with medical study nope.

Sorry, it's apparent that you are.

| Simon ..... happy knowing GS works

How do you know?

and looking forward to seeing pete
| popping pills for arthritus.

Yup, I certainly will be someday due to a bad knee and missing cartilege but why you would be
looking forward to watching someone pop pills is beyond me, if not downright strange.

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