Drivers a danger to themselves

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  1. Stephen \

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    Interesting piece on Radio 4 this morning with a professor studying driver behaviour (John Adams?)
    stating that with the seat belt law, ABS brakes and safer car design motorists get more confident
    that they won't be injured in accidents and are thus a danger to more vulnerable groups on the road
    - pedestrians, the old, children and cyclists. He reckoned the best way to reduce accidents would be
    to replace airbags with metal spikes - which sounds reasonable ;-)
     
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  2. Stephen \

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    "Stephen (aka steford)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Interesting piece on Radio 4 this morning with a professor studying driver behaviour (John Adams?)
    > stating that with the seat belt law, ABS brakes
    and
    > safer car design motorists get more confident that they won't be injured
    in
    > accidents and are thus a danger to more vulnerable groups on the road - pedestrians, the old,
    > children and cyclists. He reckoned the best way to reduce accidents would be to replace airbags
    > with metal spikes - which sounds reasonable ;-)
    >
    and this may well be him

    http://www.geog.ucl.ac.uk/~jadams/
     
  3. Stephen \

    Stephen \ Guest

    "Stephen (aka steford)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >
    > "Stephen (aka steford)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Interesting piece on Radio 4 this morning with a professor studying
    driver
    > > behaviour (John Adams?) stating that with the seat belt law, ABS brakes
    > and
    > > safer car design motorists get more confident that they won't be injured
    > in
    > > accidents and are thus a danger to more vulnerable groups on the road - pedestrians, the old,
    > > children and cyclists. He reckoned the best way to reduce accidents would be to replace airbags
    > > with metal spikes - which sounds reasonable ;-)
    > >
    > and this may well be him
    >
    > http://www.geog.ucl.ac.uk/~jadams/
    >
    Sorry that I've replied to myself twice but the John Adams at the above link is indeed the John
    Adams interviewed this morning and he's just replied to my email praising his appearance on the
    Today programme. He's sent me some links on risk including one on helmet wearing which I know a lot
    of people here like to erm discuss!

    http://www.adamsmith.org.uk/policy/publications/pdf-files/risky-business.pdf
    http://www.rcgp.org.uk/rcgp/journal/issues/jun02/keynote4.asp
    http://ip.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/8/2/e1 http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr035.pdf
    http://www.rsa.org.uk/acrobat/hypermobility.pdf

    That's it from me now.
     
  4. Just Zis Guy

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    Stephen (aka steford) wrote:

    > Sorry that I've replied to myself twice but the John Adams at the above link is indeed the John
    > Adams interviewed this morning and he's just replied to my email praising his appearance on the
    > Today programme. He's sent me some links on risk including one on helmet wearing which I know a
    > lot of people here like to erm discuss!

    I propose that we officially rename them "Polystyrene Deflector Beanies" in recognition of the
    weight and quality of research backing their use. And I am a lid-wearer, before you all fire up the
    flamethrowers.

    I liked his web page - picture of intelligent man on bike :)

    --
    Guy
    ===
    I wonder if you wouldn't mind piecing out our imperfections with your thoughts; and while you're
    about it perhaps you could think when we talk of bicycles, that you see them printing their proud
    wheels i' the receiving earth; thanks awfully.

    http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/09.shtml#103 http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/09.shtml#104
     
  5. W K

    W K Guest

    "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:b1dl6m$s5t$1

    > I liked his web page - picture of intelligent man on bike :)

    Wow, a lecturer with no face fungus.
     
  6. Just Zis Guy

    Just Zis Guy Guest

    W K wrote:

    >> I liked his web page - picture of intelligent man on bike :)

    > Wow, a lecturer with no face fungus.

    I wonder if he is a real lecturer? We'd better check for the presence of the approved Hush
    Puppies, frayed woolly tie and tweed jacket with leather elbow patches, uniform de rigeur of the
    Provisional NUT.

    --
    Guy
    ===
    I wonder if you wouldn't mind piecing out our imperfections with your thoughts; and while you're
    about it perhaps you could think when we talk of bicycles, that you see them printing their proud
    wheels i' the receiving earth; thanks awfully.

    http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/09.shtml#103 http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/09.shtml#104
     
  7. Tony Raven

    Tony Raven Guest

    Stephen (aka steford) <[email protected]> wrote:
    > He's sent me some links on risk including one on helmet wearing which I know a lot of people here
    > like to erm discuss!
    >

    Does he recommend fitting steel spikes inside helmets then?

    Tony

    http://www.raven-family.com

    "The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" George
    Bernard Shaw.
     
  8. Stephen \

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    "Tony Raven" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Stephen (aka steford) <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    > > He's sent me some links on risk including one on helmet wearing which I know
    a
    > > lot of people here like to erm discuss!
    > >
    >
    > Does he recommend fitting steel spikes inside helmets then?
    >
    > Tony
    >
    Cars are our spikes.
     
  9. Tony Raven

    Tony Raven Guest

    Stephen (aka steford) <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>
    >> Does he recommend fitting steel spikes inside helmets then?
    >>
    >>
    > Cars are our spikes.

    Not if you ride off-road ;-)

    Tony

    http://www.raven-family.com

    "The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" George
    Bernard Shaw.
     
  10. David Hansen

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    On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:24:32 -0000 someone who may be "Stephen \(aka steford\)"
    <[email protected]> wrote this:-

    >Sorry that I've replied to myself twice but the John Adams at the above link is indeed the John
    >Adams interviewed this morning and he's just replied to my email praising his appearance on the
    >Today programme.

    I'm glad you have found out about John Adams. His insights are excellent, which is why the road
    "safety" lobby tries to ignore or discredit them.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked
    keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.
     
  11. Mike Sales

    Mike Sales Guest

    "Stephen (aka steford)"
    > > wrote in message
    > > > Interesting piece on Radio 4 this morning with a professor studying
    > driver
    > > > behaviour (John Adams?) stating that with the seat belt law, ABS
    brakes
    > > and
    > > > safer car design motorists get more confident that they won't be
    injured
    > > in
    > > > accidents and are thus a danger to more vulnerable groups on the
    road -
    > > > pedestrians, the old, children and cyclists. He reckoned the best way
    to
    > > > reduce accidents would be to replace airbags with metal spikes - which sounds reasonable ;-)
    > > >
    > > and this may well be him
    > >
    > > http://www.geog.ucl.ac.uk/~jadams/
    > >
    > Sorry that I've replied to myself twice but the John Adams at the above
    link
    > is indeed the John Adams interviewed this morning and he's just replied to my email praising his
    > appearance on the Today programme. He's sent me some links on risk including one on helmet wearing
    > which I know a lot of people here like to erm discuss!
    >
    >
    http://www.adamsmith.org.uk/policy/publications/pdf-files/risky-business.pdf
    > http://www.rcgp.org.uk/rcgp/journal/issues/jun02/keynote4.asp
    > http://ip.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/8/2/e1 http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr035.pdf
    > http://www.rsa.org.uk/acrobat/hypermobility.pdf
    >
    > That's it from me now.
    >
    I can't recommend strongly enough his book "Risk". I think that any cyclist would find his account
    of how we cope with danger etc on the road illuminating and at the same time familiar. It gives one
    a different perspective on "Road Safety". It explains risk compensation more effectively and
    convincingly than squabbles over helmets in this news group can. Mike Sales
     
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