aa9t8 said:i am still stuck on this vaginal discharge!
i have been a happy go lucky vagitarian. now am i ruined?
I guess some people here weren't born with a placenta... or breast fed either.. lol.
aa9t8 said:i am still stuck on this vaginal discharge!
i have been a happy go lucky vagitarian. now am i ruined?
aa, I'm still trying to decide whether this is a "funny-on-purpose" or a fortuitous typo. Either way, I'm tittering.aa9t8 said:i am still stuck on this vaginal discharge!
i have been a happy go lucky vagitarian. now am i ruined?
I'm a TOTAL vaginatarian, from the Planet of Vagaria, next to Uranus in the Lesbos Galaxy, and its single but very elusive moon Clitor 9Pendejo said:aa, I'm still trying to decide whether this is a "funny-on-purpose" or a fortuitous typo. Either way, I'm tittering.
Some how that seems like an easier sell...Lord Vader said:I'm a TOTAL vaginatarian.
Ideologue said:To be honest, I just could not stomach the thought of eating the vaginal discharge of Chickens and consuming the bodily fluids of Cows. Those were the only two animal/bird-derived foods in my diet at the time. I was vegetarian since birth, despite not being of vegetarian parents. I naturally, even as a baby, rejected most animal-derived foods.
But now, although I still find the thought of consuming bits of animals rather gross, I have become more aware of all the other factors that prompt most into removing animal/bird/insect foods from their diets. Such factors are: preventing animal cruelty, optimising ones own health and reducing impact on the environment (as this link will demonstrate: http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/health/Earth/Earth.htm ).
I heard (during a lecture by a nutrition expert) that most vegans become vegan because of ethical reasons, I.E. to prevent animal suffering. They did not opt for the vegan diet because of health reasons (although a great many people do opt for a purely plant-based diet to improve their health). A recent study showed that on whole the average vegan (being such a person who became vegan for ethical reasons and who did not really study how to go about becoming vegan from a nutritional aspect) is as healthy as the healthiest meat-eater (non-vegetarian/vegan). His conclusion was that if more vegans were more careful about nutrition then they would easily, as a group, surpass non-vegans in health comparison tests.
I just uploaded a pdf book on the subject. I think it is very well written and gets straight to the point:
http://www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=2671104
Lord Vader said:And as to the 'suffering' of some of these animals... I've been told that they use a very big gun at the slaughter houses... so I don't think they suffer all that much really..
I've had the misfortune to read some articles in meat processing journals about slaughterhouse efficiency, and the animals typically sense something is not going really well just ahead of them and they try to balk at the entrance chute. In many cases, they're literally scared shitless.Lord Vader said:So i just would like clarify a few points...
-you're vegan
-you've never eaten meat
-you have no personal basis for comparison
just curious... See... as a person who eats the flesh of cute little animals that probably made squeeking noises when they were killed I can say that I've eaten a lot of non-meat products, and I really have to vouch for a nice blend of both meat and veggies. Nothing goes better with my 12oz blue steak than some bean sprouts.
And as to the 'suffering' of some of these animals... I've been told that they use a very big gun at the slaughter houses... so I don't think they suffer all that much really..
I'm with you on that last point. people preach about the cruelty to animals etc to feed us but never actually take their convictions to the real world as far as making life better for animals in general, or for people in living conditions far worse than some chicken pens.blindsaint said:Dairy and Eggs can almost take the place of meat (as nutrients go). Food like Cottage Cheese and Yogart are healthy for anyone. My advice for anyone who wants to eat healthy is to eat alot of fish. Fish is just about the healthiest meat (and it doesn't seem so much like flesh). Also, if you eat those things, you won't have to worry as much about if you are getting all the right nutrients.
Personaly, the "animal reason" for being a vegetarian seems a little off, but if it's for health or taste/texture reasons, go for it.
blindsaint said:Dairy and Eggs can almost take the place of meat (as nutrients go). Food like Cottage Cheese and Yogart are healthy for anyone. My advice for anyone who wants to eat healthy is to eat alot of fish. Fish is just about the healthiest meat (and it doesn't seem so much like flesh). Also, if you eat those things, you won't have to worry as much about if you are getting all the right nutrients.
Lord Vader said:or for people in living conditions far worse than some chicken pens.
Lord Vader said:volunteering for a humane society or even better, red cross.
If you have any questions/doubts about this read "Fast food Nation". It's a great read.Pendejo said:I've had the misfortune to read some articles in meat processing journals about slaughterhouse efficiency, and the animals typically sense something is not going really well just ahead of them and they try to balk at the entrance chute. In many cases, they're literally scared shitless.
There is quite the mercury contamination problem with fish. Some species are better than others, so do your research before you buy.blindsaint said:Fish is just about the healthiest meat (and it doesn't seem so much like flesh). Also, if you eat those things, you won't have to worry as much about if you are getting all the right nutrients.
Lonnie Utah said:If you have any questions/doubts about this read "Fast food Nation". It's a great read.
Lonnie Utah said:Humans have "always" eaten some meat in their diet. Our dentition and the dentition of our ancestors provides clues to this.
Teeth: Incisors
CARNIVORE: Short and pointed
HERBIVORE: Broad, flattened and spade shaped
OMNIVORE: Short and pointed
HUMAN: Broad, flattened and spade shaped
Teeth: Canines
CARNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HERBIVORE: Dull and short or long (for defense), or none
OMNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HUMAN: Short and blunted
Teeth: Molars
CARNIVORE: Sharp, jagged and blade shaped
HERBIVORE: Flattened with cusps vs complex surface
OMNIVORE: Sharp blades and/or flattened
HUMAN: Flattened with nodular cusps
Lonnie Utah said:I can live with the choice I make.
You know I think you are, at least a little bit. I've know lots of vegetaians and vegans in my life, and lots of them have a superiority complex about it. they provide all sorts of tenious facts that justify their position and make folks that have a different point of view feel bad. If you look at your posts in this thread, they fit this pattern.Ideologue said:(By the way, I am not picking on you but making a point)
I was getting the same feeling as well.Lonnie Utah said:You know I think you are, at least a little bit. I've know lots of vegetaians and vegans in my life, and lots of them have a superiority complex about it. they provide all sorts of tenious facts that justify their position and make folks that have a different point of view feel bad. If you look at your posts in this thread, they fit this pattern.
Lonnie Utah said:You know I think you are, at least a little bit. I've know lots of vegetaians and vegans in my life, and lots of them have a superiority complex about it. they provide all sorts of tenious facts that justify their position and make folks that have a different point of view feel bad. If you look at your posts in this thread, they fit this pattern.
Lonnie Utah said:I'm just thankful that we are in a position where we are fortunate enough that we can actucally make choices about our diet. There are many people in this world that cannot. Do you think you'd still be a vegan if you were a malnurished child in sub-saharan africa and I came by with a sac of big macs? I know that's a bit extreeme, but it makes the point.
Lonnie Utah said:As for your charts, I think they are a bit mis-leading. They all speak in absolutes, but the truth is our dentetion falls between some of the descritptions you list.
Lonnie Utah said:Anthropologists that are a lot smarted than I have studied these things and this is where the early human falls. And their evidence isn't only from or dentition, it's from the middions or trash dumps outside of human and prehuman settlements and camps. Aditionally, Why do we have the enzymes in our systems to digest meat if we didn't have those food sources in our pre-history? So you can argue your way out of the fact that our ancestors ate meat. Maybe not as much as we (society) does today, but it was a part of their diet.
Lonnie Utah said:You know I'm proud of you for making the decisions you have regarding your diet. I know from experience, it's a very hard thing to do and stick with. But don't chastise people for not comming to the same conclusions in life that you have.
Felt_Rider said:Nothing better sounding to me after a hard 50 or 60 mile ride than having a nice thick beef steak that was seared on the grill.
Man.....that's good eatin'
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