swampy1970 said:Somewhere between 3 and 7.
Pulling at 3?. Wowzers, thats some early a$$ pulling.
On my regular cranks it starts around 7 or 8, maybe even 9.
swampy1970 said:Somewhere between 3 and 7.
roadhouse said:points to ponder, mental as attributed to muscular strength
From mental power to muscle power--gaining strengt... [Neuropsychologia. 2004] - PubMed result
you might want to take a second look at that fergie, it stated 12 weeks of training...and that was just for the pinky finger...
fergie said:A linear improvement in strength. The more you do the stronger you get. Not exactly rocket science.
While not as good as physical training experimental groups saw an increase in strength from visualising muscular contractions. There you go Roadie, all you need to do to is visualise riding Gimmickcranks to see an improvement. You may not get the full 40% but saved you a Grand
Chapeau! said:Visualising muscular contractions.
LMFAO.
I have it all wrong. Instead of busting my balls in the gym, all I had to do all along was sit on the crapper for a few hours.
fergie said:Yes, the futility of cherry picking research abstracts from Pubmed. Little finger abduction as well. Not really of that much relevance unless one goes to the odd Star Trek Convention.
swampy1970 said:Someone stole your fingers? I'd hate to have my fingers abducted...
Since you're so frequently touting your years of education can you actually get the words right, Fergie, or would that be a little too much to ask?
fergie said:Drink less Swampy, a simple Google Search could have cleared that up
Abduction (kinesiology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for Abduction (kinesiology in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings.
fergie said:Is your computer drunk as well, works fine for me.
I was first taught abduction in High School. From there...
1993 Coaching NZ Level 1 Coaching Course
1993 Coaching NZ Level 2 Coaching Course
1997 University of Otago SPMX103 Anatomy
2009 CPIT ASAP100 Anatomy and Physiology
2009 CPIT ASIB100 Introduction to Biomechanics
2010 University of Otago SPMX710 Sports Ergonomics
You may want to start with Anatomy for Dummies.
Heh, perhaps my computer is drunk as well, doesn't work from my post but does in my quote from Swampy's reply. Nevertheless the concept of abduction (kinesiology defn)does exist. Is that what Chaps refers to as a side step Swampy???
swampy1970 said:That link didn't work and you didn't get the humour. Boo hoo... bite me.
Chapeau! said:Heres on for you fergs.
Twin #1 & Twin #2.
Twin #1 trains solely on regular cranks & has become very efficient on just the downstroke portion of the pedal stroke through neural adaptation, activating mainly the quads & glutes.
Twin #2 trains on regular cranks & supplements with PowerCranks & has become very efficient on both the downstroke & upstroke portion of the pedal stroke through neural adaptation, activating mainly the quads, glutes, hamstrings, hip flexors & too a greater extent than regular cranks alone, calves & shins..
Both have the same VO2 & body weight.
Over a 10,000m track race, Which twin wins? & Why?.
fergie said:Sorry I forgot to laugh at you getting it wrong again.
If I did bite you would I taste alcohol?
swampy1970 said:Nope... just steel toed boots.
fergs said:If VO2max is equal between the two then rider A will have better trained the muscle fibres he will use to race while rider B will have trained more muscle, however these fibres are not used in competition.
fergs said:Bohm, 2008 and Fernandez-Pena et al, 2009 have both shown that Gimmickcranks change the muscle firing patterns compared to normal cranks.
fergs said:Cross Country Skiers have the highest V02max's because their exercise trains the upper and lower body aerobically but having the highest volume of trained muscle.... doesn't mean they could jump on a bike and school the well trained cyclist at any point.
fergs said:Another example of more is not better, specific is better.
Chapeau! said:Why wouldn't those fibers be used in competition?. Twin #2 has used them in training, and neural adaptation has been accomplished?.
But he only races with normal cranks. If he did the same training as twin 1 and then did supplemental Gimmickcrank training he would be training more and we wouldn't be comparing apples with apples.Twin #2 trains on regular cranks & supplements with PowerCranks.
If training volume is held constant then twin 1 performs more specific work.What does this tell you about Twin #2?. Who trains the highest volume of trained muscle over Twin #1?.
I didn't say more muscle was better. Only that an athlete performing Cross Country Skiing will use more muscle than a cyclist and this is why they tend to have higher VO2max's than cyclists.Well, with regards to cross Country Skiing, then yes, more muscle is better. Why can't we stake the claim for cycling?. The use of Gimmickcranks.
fergs said:Because Fernandez-Pena etal (2009) showed that the alterations to pedalling from a Gimmickcrank were lost soon after going back on normal cranks.
fergs said:But he only races with normal cranks.
fergs said:If training volume is held constant then twin 1 performs more specific work.
fergs said:Performing Cross Country Skiing will use more muscle than a cyclist and this is why they tend to have higher VO2max's than cyclists.
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