Empty calories

Discussion in 'Health Nutrition and Supplements' started by cnudell, Apr 10, 2007.

  1. Jono L

    Jono L Well-Known Member

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    Yeh, but I ask you, who's actually 'enjoying' their life. I know I am.
     


  2. zaskar

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    But die early from stressing the F out. Go have a doughnut.
     
  3. Ratiocinator

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    By my interpretation of your reply, you obviously think that giving a damn about personal health and dietary habits jeopardizes a person’s daily pleasure. This is a completely ludicrous notion to behold.

    If you think that pleasure only lies in consuming the toxic filth that the corporate world likes to have shoved down your throats, and living healthfully means a dull life of misery, then think again. I suggest that you look into this topic more. Raw, living foods, including recipes made thereof, are just as good tasting as carcinogenic excitotoxins, but the difference is the healthy tasty foods will not lead you straight to the hospital. They will also leave you with increased energy, increased health, and generally make you feel good.

    It may take a little work to break free from the chains of typical Western ways; you may need to spend a few days or weeks altering your lifelong ways to replace them for better, more natural ways. Once complete you will be laughing.

    All I can say here is to go and look into it. If you think healthy living consists of nothing more than eating raw lettuce, then you are sadly mistaken.

    Sacrificing your health and future well-being for the sake of transient taste pleasures from toxic convenience foods, because you were too lazy to stand up from the crowd and live a healthy natural life, is hardly sensible or intelligent. A little pleasure now does not justify a lot of suffering in later life, whether that be two years, five years of thirty years from now.

    Compare the lives of a person who ate typical Western foods and a person who ate good tasting healthy, natural foods. In thirty years time both people would have had enjoyable lives, but now only the person on the natural, healthy foods continues to have a good time. The other person is diseased and in failing health. The other person does not have a very enjoyable life now.
     
  4. Ratiocinator

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    No need to stress. Just do a little research, a little reading, and things become very clear.
     
  5. zaskar

    zaskar New Member

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    I know all about nutrition and I eat healthy most of the time. But ill be damn if I'm gonna walk a strict line the rest of my life. I knew a guy like you, if it wasn't green and healthy he didnt eat it. died of cancer at 36 yrs old. I know a few old people in the 70 and 80s who smoke and eat what ever and healthy as hell. So stfu about we are poising are selves, we ALL are gonna die of or by something Mr preacher. There is meds for paranoia, seek a doctor.
     
  6. Ratiocinator

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    I would advice that you adjust your diet just to lesson your aggressiveness, if for no other reason.



    You are quick to judge me, and you do so wrongly. You feel healthy now, but give it time!



    Do you know why that guy died of cancer? I doubt it. He may have been too late in his change. He may have done too little too soon, or not done things properly. He may have been exposed to industrial toxins or suffered high stress, etc. Who knows?



    What is true is that people tend to be different in what they can cope with. It is certainly true that a MAJORITY of people do become SERIOUSLY ILL through consuming poisons all their lives. Poisons such as meat, dairy, foods with the nutrition cooked out of them, wheat products, alcohol, additives (MSG, aspartame, etc.), and so on. Just go to ANY HOSPITAL and see for yourself.



    Why did granny have her hip replaced? Most likely because of a life spent eating mucus forming foods; acid forming foods that caused her body to suck out much of the alkalizing calcium from her bones, thus causing them to weaken and decay.



    It is not about life and death, it is about PREVENTING SUFFERING. Life and death is not black and white, the dying process is very grey. Do you want to die a long, painful, slow death? Or do you want to live life to the full and go quickly with minimal discomfort?



    There is no paranoia on my part, just EXPERIENCE and knowledge of a lot of SCIENTIFIC STUDY.



    Do you understand that?



    [font=&quot]I post here to try to HELP, and fools like you abuse me in response. Well, fine, you live as a fool and you reap what you sow. But unless you have anything really helpful to contribute I suggest you refrain from posting and leave this thread to others who care about how they live and who wish to avoid disease.[/font]
     
  7. zaskar

    zaskar New Member

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    You talk stupid. Like eating healthy is going to prevent a painful death or disease.You may get hit by a bus. STFU, go get some Prozac and preach else where.
     
  8. Ratiocinator

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    Could get hit by a bus, could be hit by a falling rock from outer space, could be shot by a thug, could be blown up following a gas leak, etc... etc. Yes. I see your logic. So because a lot of things could happen that justifies living imprudently and not giving a damn. Because I could be hit by a bus that alone justifies not caring about avoiding cancer or heart disease.

    You are quite smart, you are.
     
  9. zaskar

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    Look at it this way. If I or anyone else wants to eat junk how does that affect your life? Just because someone eats a freaking doughnut, does not mean they dont give a damn. Worry about yourself, unless our eating habits affects your life.

    The OP asked what was best out of the list. Then you act like your above eveyone because you dont eat a dougnut. Go kill yourself.
     
  10. Ratiocinator

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    Do I indeed?

    Lovely.

    OK then. I will tell you how the junk food consumption of people can negatively impact my life, and the life of OTHERS.

    Not that whether or not I am affected should really matter. Does a person not have a moral responsibility to inform others of harmful activities, as a warning to allow them the opportunity of protecting themselves? I think they do.

    Let us start with ASPARTAME: This is a lethal substance that manufacturers add to foods to make them addictive. Aspartame is an addictive excitotoxin. It is in Diet Coke and added to ‘food’ in fast filth restaurants. Apart from causing almost every disease known to mankind, including CANCER, aspartame impedes the cerebral abilities of those foolish enough to consume this poison. When a persons mental abilities are broken down they become stupid. Stupid people are easy to exploit, such as by the very same CRIMINALS who put the aspartame into their food in the first place. These elite criminals then exploit the people they have dumbed-down to further their nefarious agenda. I wonder if you know what I am writing about? I will give you a few clues: destruction of natural habitats, 9/11, 7/7, Iraq, Afghanistan, HAARP, high altitude aerosolized chemical distribution, pollution, etc.

    http://www.dldewey.com/aspar.htm

    http://www.dorway.com/indexnew.html

    Sweet Misery (trailer): http://video.google.co.uk/url?docid=-396422306161783858&esrc=sr1&ev=v&q=sweet+misery&vidurl=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D-n-gA0wvi84&usg=AL29H20dxZnvPkNEYvqQJBChRP_2emeyJw


    MSG: this poison is also addictive and added to foods to increase their appeal. It has many similar effects to those of aspartame. It, too, is lethal. Both of these chemicals promote obesity. Obesity means that people consume much more food than they need, often nutrient-poor foods. A nutrient-deprived body craves food, in order to obtain the missing nutrients, so these people continue to CONSUME THE EARTH. When my home planet is literally being consumed, that is a threat to me, hence my cause for concern.

    http://www.rense.com/general52/msg.htm


    MEAT: The chief junk food of them all. Did you know that in order to produce a single pound of meat over 12-pounds of grain must be grown? So, instead of having 12-pounds of grain to eat, or the equivalent in other crops (more efficient and varied crops), you get a single pound of diseased, hacked-up animal corpse. This plate of death and suffering not only required around 12-pounds of grain, but also 2,500 gallons of water (Australia might be interested in that piece of information right now, considering their drought). This meat required around 20-times more land than the calorific equivalent in nutritious plant food to produce. So if people stopped eating it, not only would their health improve but also VAST areas of the Earth would be freed. We could use this land to improve the quality of all our lives. Trees and forests could be planted (here in the UK, trees are very rare, thanks to greed and ignorance prompting people to chop most of them down) and everyone could have their own little patch of land. We could have more countryside to roam around in, more peace and more privacy.

    Earthlings:

    http://video.google.co.uk/url?docid=-1282796533661048967&esrc=sr1&ev=v&q=earthlings&vidurl=http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D-1282796533661048967%26q%3Dearthlings&usg=AL29H22odIgJwAh0iikbZlnSpm3Jcb6gvg

    Apart from wasted land, wasted water, wasted energy and wasted crops, a single pound of meat also means that 35-pounds of topsoil was depleted and more than an entire gallon of gasoline (equivalent energy of) was burned, habitats are destroyed by the pesticides sprayed over the meat-animals food crops, and massive supplies of drinking water is continually contaminated. What contaminates this water, apart from the pesticide run-off? – Excrement from cows. Did you know that in the US farm animals (livestock) produce around 250,000 pounds of excrement per second? The human population only produces around 12,000 pounds per second, and the humans have a sewage system to deal with it, the cows do not! That farm animal excrement is left to foul waterways and cause human disease and other negative effects.

    Diet For A New America:

    http://video.google.co.uk/url?docid=6799801929001936259&esrc=sr1&ev=v&q=diet+for+a+new+america&vidurl=http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D6799801929001936259%26q%3Ddiet%2Bfor%2Ba%2Bnew%2Bamerica&usg=AL29H227rLFjt_wb9xZg6_Zp56fcf4MVGQ

    For other facts on meat production, see below.

    And how is meat derived, exactly? An animal, or approximately 19,000 animals every MINUTE in the USA (http://leda.law.harvard.edu/leda/data/710/Miller05.pdf ), or some 45-billion worldwide each year, are forcibly transported to the killing place, the slaughterhouse, where the usually panic-stricken, terrified animals are cruelly and painfully murdered before, and often DURING, being hacked-up and desecrated. The injustice of their unnecessary suffering is a thing I am morally forced to publically object to.


    MILK, EGGS and DAIRY: Other poisonous junk foods and products of environmental vandalism, rape, cruelty and suffering. The same applies to these substances as does to meat.

    www.notmilk.com

    http://www.dorway.com/rense.html


    Etc.

    I hope you get my point.


    So when the actions of others threaten my life-enabling environment, then it is my business.

    When the actions of others threaten the health and life of people, then I have a moral duty to speak out.

    When the actions of others cause pain and suffering in animals and other sentient creatures, then I have a moral obligation to speak out.

    When the actions of others threaten my safety and my health then I am forced to speak out.
     
  11. zaskar

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    Yea I have a response. What?
     
  12. gt3413

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    Ratiodork, Don't you see your over enthusiasm very similar to that of other extremists? Your views may have merit, I don't know. I don't have time or interest to read the studies much less research who did them to find out if they were non-biased, which is very important when you decypher what you choose to believe or not. I doubt they are scientifically sound if they are posted on a website entitled "notmilk.com". I personally think any kind of extremism is wrong and from the tone of your posts, you are an extremist in the way you believe. Step back, take a deep breath, expand your research to reputable sources and see what you come up with. I doubt the world is quite as bad as you see it. Good luck in your endeavors.
     
  13. Ratiocinator

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    How civil. Obviously politeness and good manners do not feature very highly in your life.

    You cannot be bothered to look at the evidence or even the stated REFERENCES, but yet you feel compelled to abuse me and write with an ‘authoritative’ tone. You are a fool, and that is not being abusive. That is stating an obvious fact as only a fool would write and publish in a forum what you did.

    You are driven by your aggressive, arrogant nature and highly defective belief system. EVERYTHING in my last post is HIGHLY RESEARCHED and supported by SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.

    Your post is a complete waste of time. You are motivated to fight the truth and maintain your beliefs, regardless of how fatuous and false they are. Yours is a position of IGNORANCE.

    You are judgmental and controlled by your prejudices. That is a silly way to live. You use words like ‘extremism’ as an excuse to ignore entire groups! That is nothing less that completely STUPID. You need to reevaluate your thoughts and what you behold to be true. Your rationale is defective; you need to shift your paradigm because you are living a LIE. Come over to reality. Come on, come closer. Can you handle it?

    It is unfathomable how people call others abusive names and say that what they write about is completely untrue when such people, and even by their OWN ADMISSION, have NOT EVEN TAKEN A SINGLE LOOK at THE EVIDENCE! Do you not see how absolutely INSANE that is?

    So, go on, fool. Judge me by your preconceived, preprogrammed fake notions. Continue to poison yourself and believe in a false and artificial paradigm while ignoring the truth and obvious FACTS that are RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE!
     
  14. gt3413

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    Seems I struck a nerve, lol. I won't be looking at the research sources that you posted no more than you would look at or take any advice/knowledge from any sound research studies that I might post. There would always be a reason not to believe one or the other. Believe what you wish just use some common sense and don't get pulled in by all the hoopla that you read. Good luck
     
  15. gt3413

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    Ok, I got curious and looked at some of the links. Most appear to be statements from individuals regarding the different products, not actual studies. I sure wouldn't base my beliefs on what someone told me, much less a documentary. I'm done. Good luck in your choices!
     
  16. Ratiocinator

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    That is quite an assumption to make. You assume that I am set in my ways an unwilling to examine ANYTHING that goes against that which I advocate here. I am more than willing, enthusiastic, in fact, when it comes to important subjects like this one. I want to act on accurate and relevant information, which is why I am a proponent of the 100% plant based raw food diet (majority raw). Comprehend this: I HAVE looked at both sides and I am CONFIDENT in my conclusions. But should you post something that purports to prove what I support is not the key to optimum health/diet I will happily read it and consider it, just as anyone reading this thread should consider and investigate what I have posted.

    This is an important issue, for all. Complacency and a closed mind will not prevent disease. It is only prudent to learn as much as possible about issues of health. It may be a dull subject to some, but it is VITALLY IMPORTAMNT to be informed, especially today in a world filled with poisons and controlled by malevolent criminals who actively seek to harm and kill great numbers of people.

    One must use their discernment when it comes to judging what is worthy and what is false/propaganda. Unfortunately, as many people have been dumbed-down, their personal sovereignty removed, their cerebral processes impaired, and their sense of logic distorted, accurate and reliable discernment is a rare thing indeed.

    It would seem that you have a greater need of good luck than I.[/font]
     
  17. zaskar

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    We live in a society where individual ego is at the forefront.
     
  18. gt3413

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    Me or him, lol.

    And to ratioman, I wholeheartedly agree that a plant based diet is extremely healthy and wholesome provided you consume adequate calories and complimentary proteins etc. My point was that you came off as a fanatic when you chose words and phrases such as fast filth restaurants, and speaking about animals going to slaughter who are forcibly transported to the killing place, the slaughterhouse, where the usually panic-stricken, terrified animals are cruelly and painfully murdered and finally MILK, EGGS and DAIRY: Other poisonous junk foods and products of environmental vandalism, rape, cruelty and suffeing. If you were only interested in the facts, you would have chosen words that presented facts while not invoking over the top reactions from those reading your posts. You could have simply stated the facts while providing unbiased resources and let us make up our own mind. Instead you chose the path of trying to overwhelm your readers by using fanatical type writings. If you want to be taken seriously, provide sound evidence and leave out all the hype.
     
  19. Ratiocinator

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    I say it how it is. I say it in a way that provides suitable emphasis to obvious truths that are hidden right in front of our faces.



    The sites I linked to do quote their references and do use information that is unbiased and from unbiased sources. If I were to use purely scientific terms then most people would not know what the hell (pun intended) I am writing about.



    Most people think bad eating consists of too much salt, sugar and fat! They have a LOT to learn.



    This is a very serious topic. I do not have corrupt elites and political figures on my side. I do not have their trillions of dollars or mass media outlets at my disposal. But I do have the truth and I can provide credible facts to those receptive to them.



    In a world in which increasingly large numbers of people do not even know that the toxic well-presented ‘food’ item in the neat plastic wrapping was once an animal, had emotions and was capable of thought and feeling pain, just as they are, I make no apologies for my vehemence.



    If you are truly interested in learning the results of credible studies then get a copy of the book Plant Based Nutrition and Health, by Stephen Walsh PhD. Dr. Walsh specializes in the analysis of scientific studies and has formed his conclusions based on the examination of thousands of them. He has clearly laid out in his book his results and provides many pages of references. In fact usually Googling his name followed by a nutrition topic brings up many links to articles he has written or contributed to that tend to quote references and scientific studies that can be double checked on PubMed.



    I wish there was a pdf version of his book but, thus far, I have failed to locate one. It is only £7.95 to buy:



    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Plant-Based-Nutrition-Health-Stephen/dp/0907337279/ref=sr_1_1/203-9022473-2610326?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178507166&sr=1-1



    http://www.vegansociety.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=153
     
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