Empty calories

Discussion in 'Health Nutrition and Supplements' started by cnudell, Apr 10, 2007.

  1. Ratiocinator

    Ratiocinator New Member

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    As food tastes seem to considerably vary between people, and mine are often not shared by very many others, I don’t think posting my daily diet will be of much help.

    I will instead offer a few links to some good sites where you will be able to find recipes and other useful information:


    http://www.therawfoodcoach.com/

    http://www.detoxyourworld.com/

    http://www.raw4life.com/

    Raw food forum: http://www.sunfood.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi

    http://purejoyplanet.com/

    http://veganmenu.blogspot.com/search/label/Raw%20Food%20Wednesday

    http://www.funkyraw.com/

    http://www.rawliving.co.uk/

    http://www.fromsadtoraw.com/RawRecipes.htm

    Another raw food forum: http://www.rawfoodchat.com/forums/fasting-detox-support/

    http://myhq.com/public/s/u/susanv/

    http://www.rawguru.com/

    http://www.rawfoodchat.com/

    http://rawandjuicy.com/

    http://fromsadtoraw.com/

    http://www.fresh-network.com/

    http://www.rawfoods.com/
     


  2. zaskar

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    No B&J I own 2 Mc Donalds. Wanna free Big Mac? G K Y.............
     
  3. Jono L

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    Anyway, back on topic...

    I generally follow the recommendations of this site
    http://www.ais.org.au/nutrition/HotTopics.asp

    Ratio,
    Out of curiousity, what is your daily diet like? The links are interesting but didn't really answer the initial question.
     
  4. Ratiocinator

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    The first thing I saw on opening that page was a message declaring it to be sponsored by Nestle! The second thing I saw was a heraldic coat of arms and stamp of the Australian Government.

    Stay well away from that page! Seriously. If you think the government will go out of its way to give you good advice, then you are mistaken. The government however will certainly go out of its way to mislead you, to give you some good advice to boost its credibility, and then go on to give you terrible advice that is not in your best interests at all.

    And Nestle! Come on! That sinister company cannot be trusted one iota. You would be doing yourself a serious disservice heeding nutrition advice from anything associated with them. If you want a list of their misdeeds then get on Google; they are not hard to find.

    Do yourself a favour: Anything connected with government or with big business, concerning health advice specifically, should be avoided. The corporate world would gladly kill you for a $1 profit, and the government does not exactly have a marvelous record in this area either. They do not care for you or for your well-being. They have their own agendas, and their agendas are certainly not consistent with what is best for you.

    I have addressed this question already and do not really have anything further to add.
     
  5. Jono L

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    Good points. I agree that wholehearted trust in one's government is plain stupid, BUT here's why I'm still going with (well not all of course..) the info on that page. Where in their information is there any mention of Nestle products?

    The majority of your links quote scientific journals and research papers etc, this link does exactly the same. So my sources and your sources are both backed by research, yet somehow only your information is correct?

    I'm going with the AIS to race/train in Italy for a month (amateur junior races), now tell me, why would they (coaches, dieticiens, administrators) direct me towards nutritional advice that is not correct and only propaganda when the performance of myself and other's in this squad determine the amount of funding they recieve?
     
  6. Ratiocinator

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    Sports nutrition is different to health and optimum nutrition. Only yesterday I DL’d a book by a famous bodybuilder. This book was obviously some years old.



    From reading just a small part of the book I decided to see if this bodybuilder was still alive. Nope. The guy is gone! He died about 6-years ago in his early 50’s. Not exactly a ripe old age. Heart disease is what got him.



    I then looked at other bodybuilders from decades past. Serious health problems feature in most of them. Those still alive, that is!



    I know this is not bodybuilding, but there are many similarities and parallels.



    On the topic of scientific studies: The book, Plant Based Health and Nutrition, that I recommend is written by a PhD who specializes in the analysis of such studies, regardless of the subject of the studies. It takes such an expert to decipher the truth from distortion, lies, and reports commissioned to be misleading. Not all scientific studies are alike. Yes, this is a very frustrating world in which we are immured. The leaders, be they political, religious, or corporate, do not give a damn about anyone. All they care about is satiating their insatiable lust for power, blood, and money. Choose whose advice to follow with extreme caution.



    After looking at many aspects of how certain groups behave, the decisions they have made and what they support and preach, one’s sense of discernment becomes attuned to being able to recognize good information. It becomes able to dismiss bad information for the garbage that it is.



    There is more to this issue than mere scientific reports, but they certainly help.



    On Nestle: Guilt by association is a good failsafe strategy when dealing wih those criminals. Any genuine and worthy group that advocates certain nutritional advice would never associate themselves with such a despicable company such as Nestle. Would you get a loan from a bank sponsored by the Chicago Outfit?
     
  7. Jono L

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    I don't strictly agree with the 'all evil' analysis of Nestle, I mean 'criminals':rolleyes: chill out, people choose to buy Nestle products. But it does remind me of the irony in Mcdonalds sponsoring various junior sport competitions in Australia, and even worse, and you'll love this, there's a McDonalds in the Royal Childrens Hospital! (Melbourne Aus..)

    Anyway, I think the important point that hadn't been made yet was the difference between sport nutrition and health nutrition...
     
  8. Jono L

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    Oh come on, I'm sure you realise it's the steroids, HGH etc's that kill them, not that extra glass of milk before bed;)
     
  9. Ratiocinator

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    No hyperbole. Evil, as in deliberately causing harm, is most certainly a reality. It is certainly a thing in which Nestle willfully partakes.
     
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    The steroids certainly do not help, but it was reading that this guy drank and promoted cow milk that prompted me to check on him.

    Bodybuilders are different from many other sports nutrition fields in that bodybuilders tend to eat a hell of a lot more animal products, milk, meat, etc. This is their undoing.

    I would sooner down a plate of steroids than a plate of hacked-up body parts.
     
  11. Jono L

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    Curious, does this mean you won't eat animals that are bred for human consumption because they are pumped full of 'roids or other products

    OR

    you won't eat other animals simply because they are animals?
     
  12. Ratiocinator

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    There are many reasons why I refrain from downing rotting flesh.

    In summary:


    1) I value my health.

    2) I am not morally dead.

    3) I try to avoid contributing to massive environmental destruction.
     
  13. Jono L

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    Hmmmm animals have been eating animals for years. We're carnivores.
     
  14. Ratiocinator

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    We are certainly not carnivores. We are not even omnivores. We are anatomically and physiologically herbivorous.



    Meat and milk is toxic to humans and causes all manner of disease. Not many people realize this because disease is treated as a ‘normal’ thing that is unavoidable, and that ‘just happens’! Not many people think very much.

    Unethical farmers often feed meat to cows and other natural herbivores. That does not make them carnivorous. Neither does meat in the human diet make us carnivorous.

    Basic things such as the length of our entrails, the ph level of our stomach acid, the muscular structure of our jaws, the flatness and shovel-type shape of our teeth. All these things are what make us suited to plants, not meat. A child, when an animal and an apple are placed before it, will eat the apple, not the animal. This is instinctive behaviour.

    Read more here:

    http://www.earthsave.ca/articles/health/comparative.html

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    I also bet you would down a glass of semen before(meat) hacked up body parts.
     
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    Lookie there Zaskar, you ran off our punching bag. Who do we have now that will willingly put theirself in harms way.

    Honestly, I don't usually make fun or take offense to many people, but his extremism invites it.
     
  17. zaskar

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    I agree. no more food for the Troll.
     
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    LOL, finished. Thanks bro, Greg
     
  19. Bro Deal

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    Wow. Looney tunes. Cranks on the Internet are always good for a laugh.
     
  20. jamesstout

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    I LOL'ed
     
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