European food cultures

Discussion in 'Food and nutrition' started by The Reids, Apr 3, 2005.

  1. The Reids

    The Reids Guest

    Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn

    >> Ireland and UK are "potato and beer cultures".

    >
    >Depends whose household!
    >
    >We almost never have potatoes as the main carbohydrate in a meal. I use
    >them quite a bit, in stews, curries etc. (yesterday in a Tortilla), also
    >as accompaniments with rice- but rarely the main thing. I suppose the
    >potato probably still dominates in the UK, but I wonder if that isn't
    >changing...


    Certainly, although my mother in law has potatoes with her curry
    instead of rice :)
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  2. The Reids

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    Following up to Edmund Lewis

    >Chips I suppose still keep the potato dominant to some extent. But I
    >agree it's rare to have them as the only carb (chip butties, lasagne
    >and chips anyone?).


    Did you type what you meant?

    > also
    >> as accompaniments with rice- but rarely the main thing. I suppose the
    >> potato probably still dominates in the UK, but I wonder if that isn't
    >> changing...

    >
    >Mention "potato" to me and I think tasteless boiled things beloved of
    >school caterers. (Love the baked and roasted ones though)


    but get a quality potato like a pink fir apple and boiled
    potatoes are a wonderful thing.
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  3. The Reids

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    Following up to quiqueg

    >> Spain, I cant decide, certainly wine.

    >wheat, definately


    I think that's right, bread is the universal thing in Spain.
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  4. The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
    >
    > >> Ireland and UK are "potato and beer cultures".

    > >
    > >Depends whose household!
    > >
    > >We almost never have potatoes as the main carbohydrate in a meal. I use
    > >them quite a bit, in stews, curries etc. (yesterday in a Tortilla), also
    > >as accompaniments with rice- but rarely the main thing. I suppose the
    > >potato probably still dominates in the UK, but I wonder if that isn't
    > >changing...

    >
    > Certainly, although my mother in law has potatoes with her curry
    > instead of rice :)


    And the ubiquitous curry and chips! :)

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  5. Icono Clast

    Icono Clast Guest

    yaofeng wrote:
    > "all you can eat" restaurants in the US . . . This is something I
    > didn't find in the UK, France, Spain, etc...


    I saw one, not so advertised, in London. It was a pizza joint,
    probably in West One, with a "buffet". I went in to see very sad
    looking slices of "pizza" and, I think, some spaghetti and some
    ravioli. No salad, no vegetables, no fruit, no nuttin' but those
    three items. I enquired about how it worked to be told to have all I
    wanted. It looked so awful that I didn't want any and went elsewhere.
    Eating for fun is is certainly a pleasure but doing so absent
    nutritional value is, uh, fruitless.

    > This naturally leads to unusually large number of obese people in
    > the US, a subject covered and flammed by many on this board.


    No, it doesn't. Improper eating leads to obese people. I frequent
    buffets and eat enormous quantities. I'm old and far from obese. My
    Body Mass Index is lower than 25.
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  6. The Reids

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    Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn

    >> Certainly, although my mother in law has potatoes with her curry
    >> instead of rice :)

    >
    >And the ubiquitous curry and chips! :)


    and in reverse, chilli con carne with rice.
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  7. dgs schrieb:
    > SeverinBohnheim wrote:
    >
    >> [email protected] schrieb:
    >>
    >>> Beer: England, Ireland, Germany (except Rhine region), Belgium,
    >>> Netherlands, Denmark, Czech Republic
    >>>
    >>> Wine: Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, Romania, Rhine region of Germany,

    >>
    >>
    >> + Mosel, Suebia, Franconia and Saale = wine.

    >
    >
    > Franconia is even more of a beer territory than a wine territory.



    ok, but Mainfranken / Iffgau and other regions of Franconia are
    wineregions, no doubt. One of the best German white wine is produced there.

    http://www.wein-abc.de/anbaugebiete/index.php

    In other wineregions people are used to drink beer too and have famous
    breweries like in Cologne or Freiburg - or Alsace (Kronenburg / Meteor /
    Schutzenberger). But no doubt this are wineregions.
     
  8. > I once saw a map of what Americans most frequently call a non-alcoholic
    > carbonated beverage. It was divided into regions of "Soda", "Pop",
    > "Coke", and other based on responses from people on the Web.


    Did they include "ginger"?

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  9. yaofeng

    yaofeng Guest

    Yes. Brazil is one country "all you can eat" is alive and well. The
    Churiscaria turns my stomach. But it is not nearly as popular as in
    the US. Here there are Chinese, Japanese, Spanish, Portugese, you name
    it. You can eat all.
     
  10. nina

    nina Guest

    Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
    > > I once saw a map of what Americans most frequently call a

    non-alcoholic
    > > carbonated beverage. It was divided into regions of "Soda", "Pop",
    > > "Coke", and other based on responses from people on the Web.

    >
    > Did they include "ginger"?
    >


    http://www.popvssoda.com/
     
  11. >>> I once saw a map of what Americans most frequently call a non-alcoholic
    >>> carbonated beverage. It was divided into regions of "Soda", "Pop",
    >>> "Coke", and other based on responses from people on the Web.

    >> Did they include "ginger"?

    > http://www.popvssoda.com/


    Could have done with some editing. I looked at Pennsylvania, as you
    often get Scotticisms in Pittsburgh dialect, but "ginger" (common in
    Glasgow) doesn't seem to have got there.

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  12. The Reids

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    Following up to Icono Clast

    >This is something I
    >> didn't find in the UK, France, Spain, etc...

    >
    >I saw one, not so advertised, in London. It was a pizza joint,
    >probably in West One, with a "buffet". I went in to see very sad
    >looking slices of "pizza"......


    You will find a few buffet style places like that, often
    downmarket ethnic food at unpopular times. Big hotels also
    sometimes have a buffet where you *could* all you wanted, but as
    you say they are not promoted as "eat all you can".
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  13. Lena B Katz

    Lena B Katz Guest

    On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:

    >>>> I once saw a map of what Americans most frequently call a non-alcoholic
    >>>> carbonated beverage. It was divided into regions of "Soda", "Pop",
    >>>> "Coke", and other based on responses from people on the Web.
    >>> Did they include "ginger"?

    >> http://www.popvssoda.com/

    >
    > Could have done with some editing. I looked at Pennsylvania, as you
    > often get Scotticisms in Pittsburgh dialect, but "ginger" (common in
    > Glasgow) doesn't seem to have got there.
    >


    Elaborate on scotticisms in pgh?

    Thanks!

    Lena
     
  14. On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 02:58:20 -0700, Icono Clast <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >yaofeng wrote:
    >> "all you can eat" restaurants in the US . . . This is something I
    >> didn't find in the UK, France, Spain, etc...

    >
    >I saw one, not so advertised, in London. It was a pizza joint,
    >probably in West One, with a "buffet". I went in to see very sad
    >looking slices of "pizza" and, I think, some spaghetti and some
    >ravioli. No salad, no vegetables, no fruit, no nuttin' but those
    >three items. I enquired about how it worked to be told to have all I
    >wanted. It looked so awful that I didn't want any and went elsewhere.


    (apologise in advance to Mike Reid, but I am about to dump on British
    food once again!)

    Here are some shots of pizza from the West End. All were taken within
    the last week, although some of it looks a lot older than that.

    http://deepfriedmars.com/OddPics/LondonPizza1.JPG
    http://deepfriedmars.com/OddPics/LondonPizza2.JPG
    http://deepfriedmars.com/OddPics/LondonPizza3.JPG

    and here's what happens if you eat too much of it:
    http://deepfriedmars.com/OddPics/PizzaChampion.JPG

    Also seen in Greenwich, these delightful ones:
    http://deepfriedmars.com/OddPics/Prawnies1.JPG
    http://deepfriedmars.com/OddPics/Prawnies2.JPG

    Not actual prawns, but bits of the fish of the day, mashed up,
    coloured, flavoured and squeezed into a prawn-ish shape.
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  15. On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:13:47 +0100, The Reids
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
    >
    >>> Certainly, although my mother in law has potatoes with her curry
    >>> instead of rice :)

    >>
    >>And the ubiquitous curry and chips! :)

    >
    >and in reverse, chilli con carne with rice.


    How about fried rice seasoned with curry powder?
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  16. The Reids

    The Reids Guest

    Following up to Deep Foiled Malls

    >Here are some shots of pizza from the West End. All were taken within
    >the last week, although some of it looks a lot older than that.
    >
    >http://deepfriedmars.com/OddPics/LondonPizza1.JPG
    >http://deepfriedmars.com/OddPics/LondonPizza2.JPG
    >http://deepfriedmars.com/OddPics/LondonPizza3.JPG


    You can certainly get poor food in the West End. The down market
    food places are still not good enough, but in the West End why
    are all the tourists buying it? Go to the restaurant area where
    people like me eat (100 metres away) around Charlotte Street and
    take some photos there!

    >and here's what happens if you eat too much of it:
    >http://deepfriedmars.com/OddPics/PizzaChampion.JPG


    Fatness isn't a particularly UK feature :)

    >Also seen in Greenwich, these delightful ones:
    >http://deepfriedmars.com/OddPics/Prawnies1.JPG
    >http://deepfriedmars.com/OddPics/Prawnies2.JPG
    >
    >Not actual prawns, but bits of the fish of the day, mashed up,
    >coloured, flavoured and squeezed into a prawn-ish shape.


    I have walked past those a couple of times, hadn't realised they
    were not prawns. In the market proper there is plenty of quality
    food, but you didn't photo that? There's also an (overpriced)
    French style restaurant 100 metres away and at least a couple of
    pubs with perfectly reasonable food. The Yacht, The Trafalgar or
    The Greenwich Union (I have not tried the Union, but its supposed
    to be good, sourcing its food from the specialist food outlets in
    the immediate area.
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  17. The Reids

    The Reids Guest

    Following up to Deep Foiled Malls

    >(apologise in advance to Mike Reid, but I am about to dump on British
    >food once again!)


    Heres some more favourable market photos, looking for the best
    not the worst! :)
    http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/borough.htm"
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  18. Donna Evleth

    Donna Evleth Guest


    > From: "yaofeng" <[email protected]>
    > Organization: http://groups.google.com
    > Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,rec.food.cooking
    > Date: 3 Apr 2005 20:57:41 -0700
    > Subject: Re: European food cultures
    >
    > Straying a bit from the content but staying with the subject matter
    > nonetheless, I was thinking about food in different countries the other
    > day. One thing which strikes me is the unusually large number of "all
    > you can eat" restaurants in the US. Within a 20 mile radius of where I
    > live, I think I can easily find 20 all you can eat places. This is
    > something I didn't find in the UK, France, Spain, etc... (I didn't find
    > a single all you can eat places in aformentioned countries as a matter
    > of fact.)
    >
    > Is it because I am a tourist and didn't know my way around where as in
    > my own hometown I am familiar with the local environment? This is
    > beside the fact that virtually all restaurants serve far larger
    > portions as compared to countries from around the world.
    >
    > This naturally leads to unusually large number of obese people in the
    > US, a subject covered and flammed by many on this board.


    I am sad to report that there seem to be more and more restaurants (usually
    the cheap ones) here in France that advertise "buffet à volonté" (all you
    can eat from the buffet). However, in real life, I have not yet seen people
    go back to the buffet more than seconds.

    Donna Evleth
    >
     
  19. Donna Evleth

    Donna Evleth Guest


    > From: Icono Clast <[email protected]>
    > Organization: IClast at SFbay net
    > Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,rec.food.cooking
    > Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 02:58:20 -0700
    > Subject: Re: European food cultures
    >
    > No, it doesn't. Improper eating leads to obese people. I frequent
    > buffets and eat enormous quantities. I'm old and far from obese. My
    > Body Mass Index is lower than 25.


    I, too, frequent buffets (the Campanile motels have these in their
    restaurants, and sometimes after a day on the highway we are too tired to do
    otherwise, and we now go to Caen every other weekend, where we eat at such
    places at noon because we need to be close by the prison for the Saturday
    afternoon visit, and the only restaurants anywhere close are all this type).
    However, I practice moderation. I will be 70 my next birthday (July) and my
    Body Mass Index is 18.5.

    Moderation is the key word, I believe. I once read something written by a
    Bordeaux nutritionist, who said, "Eat everything, but in moderation." I
    think he's right.

    Donna Evleth
     
  20. Donna Evleth

    Donna Evleth Guest


    > From: The Reids <[email protected]>
    > Organization: Gillard-Reid
    > Reply-To: [email protected]
    > Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe,rec.food.cooking
    > Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:48:44 +0100
    > Subject: Re: European food cultures
    >
    > Following up to Deep Foiled Malls
    >
    >> (apologise in advance to Mike Reid, but I am about to dump on British
    >> food once again!)

    >
    > Heres some more favourable market photos, looking for the best
    > not the worst! :)
    > http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/borough.htm"


    That looks like a lot of our markets here. Like our local favorite, the
    Marché Saint Germain.

    Donna Evleth
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